COMPOUND 20 SOLO Log - Clemenza

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Tear it up mangg

    PS: With the modifications to your diet, you WILL lose bodyfat so be sure to appropriately credit THIS as part of any recomp/fat reduction results when you give your summary on C-20
    Well that's the thing. I refuse to let this log turn out to be a "Well he changed his diet, he added this and added that, so we can't conclude his results came from Compound 20" type log.

    I don't want many variables to change, other than the inclusion of Compound 20. So, I'm going to go back to what I was doing with Alpha T2... carb cycling at just around maintenance, but with higher carbs and less protein.

    I was going over old articles and threads and read a few things from Chuck Rudolph recommending 1.6-3.2g protein /kg. So I'll be taking your advice and keeping protein lower as I was last month. Only thing is, I usually drop carbs, but will keep them a little higher for the sake of not dropping the cals too much.

    I want this thread to show whether or not Compound 20 works, without question or doubt.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza View Post

    How do you guys feel about including fats with protein/carb meals? I've heard so much back and forth about this over the years. I've never had a problem combining carbs with fat. Interested in your opinions though.
    Ive low carb dieted for over a decade, I dont see any real issue with consuming fats with protein and carb meals. Its not a big deal imo.
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  3. Day 6:

    Woke up this morning suprisingly leaner and pumped. Carbs were at 275g yesterday and I believe slightly over 120g the day before. Usually I'd be rather flat and a little bloated today. The bloat may not have been there because I kept protein at 230g rather than up around or over 300g.

    But the pump I had all day today was a little unusual. Not ready to contribute it to Compound 20 Yet.

    I did a light / high rep lower body today. Very good pumps in my legs.

    My diet was almost exactly the same as yesterday, but I upped the fats to bring calories up.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by ax1 View Post
    Ive low carb dieted for over a decade, I dont see any real issue with consuming fats with protein and carb meals. Its not a big deal imo.
    I've never had a problem with it either. I know Berardi over the years has changed his stance on it and now says it's fine. I've even read evidence of the fat slowing down the release of the carbs and lowering the glycemic load.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    Not sure about this but SLINTropins write up for berberine looks stikingly similar to mine without citations and a few big words...

    ill be following your log
    Were you carried at more e-tailers, I would've already purchased your GDA. Love the profile, and the anecdotal reports.

    @fats - Realistically, don't worry about timing of nutrient intake on any level. I fast for 16-20 hours a day, and go ham on food at night. Fat's not gonna hurt, and you don't want it really low either. I haven't seen a need for anything over 1.8g/kg protein, and that was sufficient for football players training 2x daily as well as resistance training -- fwiw. Understandably, slightly increasing it (2.8g/kg or so) during a slight cut/beneath maintenance intake would be the safe thing to do.

    Don't worry about weight shed and attribution to the drug at hand yet; but as mentioned, a macro-change should be at least mentioned in your final review. A calorie is a calorie, so you shouldn't see a terrible, acute change in weight loss either IMO.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza View Post
    Day 6:

    Woke up this morning suprisingly leaner and pumped. Carbs were at 275g yesterday and I believe slightly over 120g the day before. Usually I'd be rather flat and a little bloated today. The bloat may not have been there because I kept protein at 230g rather than up around or over 300g.

    But the pump I had all day today was a little unusual. Not ready to contribute it to Compound 20 Yet.

    I did a light / high rep lower body today. Very good pumps in my legs.

    My diet was almost exactly the same as yesterday, but I upped the fats to bring calories up.
    I'm on day 2/ starting 3.

    How's it going for you man?

  7. Quote Originally Posted by rome32 View Post
    I'm on day 2/ starting 3.

    How's it going for you man?
    I'm a week into C20 so far.

    Just subscribed to your log. Good luck, I'll be following. I hope we both see some results with this stuff!

  8. Day 8:

    First of all, I couldn't get on last night to update Day 7. The site was down for maintenance. Monday was a complete off day for me anyway. Ran low carb at 100g. Protein was at 250g.

    Today, I woke up and after two days low carb and off from training, I was looking smaller but my muscles abnormally tight and pumped. Usually after two days off and two days low carb I'm flatter and even slightly bloated. This morning there was no bloat, and like I said my muscles looked smaller (as they would normally from two days off and two low carb days), but with a pump. Very interesting.

    Before breakfast I weighed in at 192.3 lbs. (-2.7 from my start of C20 a week ago.)
    This is nothing out of the ordinary. My calories have been lower, been doing cardio, and lower carbs than usual last week (and lower protein!) my glycogen is depleted so I'm holding less water. After backloading my carbs tonight so I'm betting my weight will be back up tomorrow morning.

    I'll be weighing myself every Tuesday. I'm not a huge (scale/weight) guy. I like to use the mirror as my main determining factor for gains. But will use the scale as well for this log.

    Also, I'll be doing a 2 on 1 off split and doing each muscle every 6 days rather than 7.

    Day 1: Abs/Back/Legs
    Day 2: Shoulders
    Day 3: Off
    Day 4: Abs/Arms
    Day 5: Chest
    Day 6: Off
    Repeat Day 1, etc.

    Back/Legs
    Pull-ups 4x15
    Seated Chins (Legs parallel to floor) 10x8x8x6
    Cable TBar Rows 15x12x10 + Drop Set-10
    Deadlift 185 3x15
    Hack Squat 185 4x15
    Leg Curl 4x15
    Seated Calf Raise 90 3x12

    Cardio:
    25 min walk @ 3mph @ 9 incline. HR @ 140.

    Workout was VERY good today. Usually I'm flat in the gym after two days off and low carbs, but I had a very nice pump. I've noticed this since starting Synthetic Supplements Agmatine at 1g Pre Workout.
    Endurance was suprisingly higher as well today. Especially cardio, I could have kept going but pressed for time.

    Did deadlifts and squats today for the first time in 3 weeks. Wanted to go light, even though my neck and back are feeling pretty good. Just don't want to take any chances. Will go up in weight next back/leg day if I'm still feeling good. I'll also be mixing up my reps and incorporating some power and strength sets, so long as I don't feel any pain coming on.


    Diet

    1) 1 1/2 scoops Dymatize Elite / 8oz. OJ / 2 Slices Ezekial Bread (40g P / 60g C)
    2) 5 XL Eggs (35g P / 25g F)
    3) 6 oz Grilled Chicken / 1/4 cup Almonds (40g P / 16g F)
    4) (Pre-W) 1 scoop Dymatize Elite / Watermellon (25g P / 30g C)
    Intra-W - 15g BCAA / Gatorate Powder (20g C)
    5) (Post-W) 2 scoops Dymatize Elite / Malto/Gatorade Powder (50g P / 40g C)
    6) 6oz. Turkey Burger / 3/4 cup Brown Rice / 1 cup Asparagus / 1 Tbspn Olive Oil (40g P / 90g C / 20g F)
    7) 5oz. Grilled Chicken / 1/2 cup Brown Rice (30g P / 60g C)

    260g P / 300g C / 61g F = 2789 kcal


    This is as high as I'm going to be taking my protein. I would have liked to get in more carbs today, maybe up to 350.


    So, basically it's been a week on Compound 20. Weight is down almost 3 pounds, but I attribute this to my diet.
    Like I mentioned earlier, I do feel more pumped and tight the past two days. More than I usually would on low carb and not training for two days, and no Agmatine for two days.

    Interesting to see if this continues and if it is the Compound 20 kicking in.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    Not sure about this but SLINTropins write up for berberine looks stikingly similar to mine without citations and a few big words...

    ill be following your log
    Glad to have you aboard.

    I'm actually interested in your Recompadrol. I'm really fascinated with GDA's as I believe certain ones can be beneficial for so many different purposes. There's no doubt in my mind that using certain GDA's properly one can offset future degenerative diseases, as many are caused by insulin/blood sugar problems. I've even seen type 2 diabetics halt insulin injections with the help of chromium polynicotate and vanadyl sulfate.

    I myself am a HUGE fan of Anabolic Pump (high % corosolic acid) for increase in glycogen storage. I also find Vanadyl Sulfate along with Chromium Polynicotate FANTASTIC for keeping blood glucose low while eating higher GI carbohydrates. I've done the tests myself and found these two work remarkably.

    In regards to Recompadrol, I am wondering what the reason is for including ALL of those ingredients and how can they all possibly work synergistically? Also, your opinion on Vanadyl Sulfate and whether or not it induces GLUT 4 translocation in muscle similar to corosolic acid?
    I've use Vanadyl for for cheat meals, but used to use it as a GDA. Strangely, sometimes I would notice ridiculous pumps and glycogen storage, but sometimes it would leave me totally flat, disposing of glucose completely. I believe it may be a timing of dosage issue, but I'm not sure.

    Your thoughts?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza View Post
    Glad to have you aboard.

    I'm actually interested in your Recompadrol. I'm really fascinated with GDA's as I believe certain ones can be beneficial for so many different purposes. There's no doubt in my mind that using certain GDA's properly one can offset future degenerative diseases, as many are caused by insulin/blood sugar problems. I've even seen type 2 diabetics halt insulin injections with the help of chromium polynicotate and vanadyl sulfate.

    I myself am a HUGE fan of Anabolic Pump (high % corosolic acid) for increase in glycogen storage. I also find Vanadyl Sulfate along with Chromium Polynicotate FANTASTIC for keeping blood glucose low while eating higher GI carbohydrates. I've done the tests myself and found these two work remarkably.

    In regards to Recompadrol, I am wondering what the reason is for including ALL of those ingredients and how can they all possibly work synergistically? Also, your opinion on Vanadyl Sulfate and whether or not it induces GLUT 4 translocation in muscle similar to corosolic acid?
    I've use Vanadyl for for cheat meals, but used to use it as a GDA. Strangely, sometimes I would notice ridiculous pumps and glycogen storage, but sometimes it would leave me totally flat, disposing of glucose completely. I believe it may be a timing of dosage issue, but I'm not sure.

    Your thoughts?
    Hey man,

    Glad you are interested. I created this product soley for the using in diabetics, but in doing so i found theres much use for these mechanisms in this industry. Ill certainly take you through my reasonings of why i chose what i chose.

    All the ingrients i use are related to increasing glucose uptake via multiple pathways that interact with glut4 translocation. *AMPk activation, PI3k (insulin pathway), PPARa agonizing*

    These all work together very well the problem with it is it is not very selective. But with the addition of things like berberine, Corosolic acid, ect it decreases Akt somewhat to reduce adipogenesis. This is good because once fat cells multiply you cant really get rid of them, but you can shrink them. That what the PPARy antagonists/partial agonist, Akt inhibition, and ACL inhibition is there to aid in.

    So by adding the others *ppary antagonist, ACL inhibition, Akt inhibition* you can reduce the uptake some what in adipose cells, but not completely. so this is why together it created something pretty nice

    As far as the pumps. I find GDAs to be best used either with an intraworkout shake, like one USP labs described as the mass monster, i believe, or taken pre meal then waiting about 2 hours before hitting the gym. Thats when i find the pumps most pronounce

    Heres the write up

    Check the sources and read through the spots you find interesting.

    Back to compound 20, i hear good things. i like your logs. Very thorough

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza View Post
    I'm a week into C20 so far.

    Just subscribed to your log. Good luck, I'll be following. I hope we both see some results with this stuff!
    Same to you brother!

  12. My metabolic course just covered Vanadium and actually referenced it blocking absorption of amino acids -- attempt to pubmed that? I don't have time, what with graduation fastly approaching.

  13. Day 9:

    Trained chest today.
    Had a great workout! Stength was up as were pumps and vascularity.

    Got home and noticed I looked noticeably leaner in the abdomen.

    Diet was on point today. 250g P / 320g C

    Going to be a low carb and AM cardio day tomorrow.

    I am definitely noticing changes in my body composition. This can definitely be attributed to my diet and training, but the changes seem to be coming quicker than they usually would with the same diet/training. We'll see if this continues.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by neddo View Post
    My metabolic course just covered Vanadium and actually referenced it blocking absorption of amino acids -- attempt to pubmed that? I don't have time, what with graduation fastly approaching.
    VERY interesting! Do you know if this applies the Vanadyl Sulfate form of Vandium?

    BTW, what field are you studying?

  15. I had the best results early in my run with c20, seemed my body got used to it and it tapered off near the middle of the second bottle. Hope this continues to work for you man, obviously diet and training is going to be crucial.
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza View Post
    VERY interesting! Do you know if this applies the Vanadyl Sulfate form of Vandium?

    BTW, what field are you studying?
    I dont believe it applies to the vanadyl sulphate or free form vanadium. All things shown are from sodium orthovanadate and pervandate.

    There is nothing regarding vanadium/vanadyl sulphate on system A amino acid transport.

    ill continue to look however nothing i found stated it. There are differences in organic salts with vanadium as there is with different Carnitines.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Clemenza View Post
    VERY interesting! Do you know if this applies the Vanadyl Sulfate form of Vandium?

    BTW, what field are you studying?
    I'll defer the first question to EBF VVV. I've just completed science of nutrition and exercise, but I'm returning to complete the dietetics requirements as well. Fwiw, my metabolic 2 professor was a fuarking twat who was a prior genetics professor -- this was the first semester she's taught metabolic 2 (vitamins/minerals). Powerpoints were a joke, and her questions were beyond ambiguous.

    Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    I dont believe it applies to the vanadyl sulphate or free form vanadium. All things shown are from sodium orthovanadate and pervandate.

    There is nothing regarding vanadium/vanadyl sulphate on system A amino acid transport.

    ill continue to look however nothing i found stated it. There are differences in organic salts with vanadium as there is with different Carnitines.
    It was sodium orthovanadate I believe. I don't have time to devote to this, so I'm glad you're investigating it further -- I appreciate it.


    Also @ Clem, glad to hear your results thus far.

  18. Day 10:

    Woke up and did fasted cardio. 30 minutes on the eliptical with two scoops Modern BCAA.

    Kept carbs lower today at 120g. Arms and Abs tomorrow.

    Today I continued to feel tighter and more pumped. Also looking leaner. Interested to see how my pumps are tomorrow with Arms.

  19. Only been on AM a few times (I am one of those bb.com bums ). I have some C20 I picked up with the Erase Pro combo to use later this summer, was searching around and saw this log. Once I saw that loser Neddo posting, but more importantly the GDA (used SS for a while and using SLINTropin now with great success) and protein talk, I figured it was time to sign up here and subscribe to a log. So congrats Clemenza, you have popped my AM cherry... Also figured this appears to be where the banned bb.com guys go, so odds are at some point I will be making my way here anyhow lol

    EDIT - fyi, no clue what to expect with C20, I simply got it because I was interested in Erase Pro and the pricepoint on the combo made sense versus buying solo. Only ever used Super Cissus, so no love or hate for USPLabs (yet I guess)!!!

    I know, I know, strong 1st post...

  20. Quote Originally Posted by neddo View Post
    I'll defer the first question to EBF VVV. I've just completed science of nutrition and exercise, but I'm returning to complete the dietetics requirements as well. Fwiw, my metabolic 2 professor was a fuarking twat who was a prior genetics professor -- this was the first semester she's taught metabolic 2 (vitamins/minerals). Powerpoints were a joke, and her questions were beyond ambiguous.



    It was sodium orthovanadate I believe. I don't have time to devote to this, so I'm glad you're investigating it further -- I appreciate it.


    Also @ Clem, glad to hear your results thus far.
    yea im not seeing anything on VS and system a amino acid transport still... i tried searching Vanadium and mTOR, but came up short of what i was lookging for.

    ill continue to search, but still nothing has detered me from its use. It works incredibly well.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by EBF Inc View Post
    yea im not seeing anything on VS and system a amino acid transport still... i tried searching Vanadium and mTOR, but came up short of what i was lookging for.

    ill continue to search, but still nothing has detered me from its use. It works incredibly well.
    Not to deter this thread, but any idea when Recompadrol will be more readily available in the states? Used Slin Sane for a while, using SLINTropin now, so would make for a good comparison.

    Cheers

  22. Quote Originally Posted by dbone1026 View Post
    Not to deter this thread, but any idea when Recompadrol will be more readily available in the states? Used Slin Sane for a while, using SLINTropin now, so would make for a good comparison.

    Cheers
    I have heard soon, like by June. However, check this thread for updates: RECOMPADROL NEWS!

  23. Quote Originally Posted by sae2110 View Post
    I have heard soon, like by June. However, check this thread for updates:
    Thx bro, subb'd to that thread. Loved you in Scrubs!

    Great log so far OP, very interested to see how C20 treats you. I probably won't be using until later this summer I think. Just wrapping up my current log now, and have another one planned after.

  24. Yes it should be by june. Having some issues getting the banaba in.

    due to the high potency and cost. But should be here in june. Definitely check out the thread and look for updates. Going to try and push the manufacturer along. unfortunately being on top of them too much or too little can slow down production.

  25. Yes it should be by june. Having some issues getting the banaba in.

    due to the high potency and cost. But should be here in june. Definitely check out the thread and look for updates. Going to try and push the manufacturer along. unfortunately being on top of them too much or too little can slow down production.
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