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    Same, sourdough had some bloating the first week and think it went away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BPjohn123
    Same, sourdough had some bloating the first week and think it went away.
    Yeah...
    Don't like that 1 bit.
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    I dont mind a bit of bloting as long as I put muscle on. I worrie about the bloting after then I strip abit to cut it in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    Yeah...
    Don't like that 1 bit.
    Might try adding in some Anabolic Pump or a comparable supp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lukehayd

    Might try adding in some Anabolic Pump or a comparable supp.
    I would log the shti out of some ap!
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    Day 8:

    So interesting day today. Woke up early today to start my day and get some cleaning done, well that took a lot out of me for sure and I actually ended up napping and missing out on a few hours in my day. Didn't have much food today but work out was still solid. Still been sticking to the routine of 4 muscle groups with 5 sets and higher rep ranges.

    Today was quads, hams, & triceps & shoulders.

    Military Press max weight used was 135lbs, 5 sets starting in the 15 rep range and working down to 8 reps.

    Leg Press max weight used 360lbs, 5 sets, started at 20 reps & did not do less than 12 reps.

    Leg Curl max weight used was 95lbs, 5 sets 20reps working down to 12 reps.

    Tricep front pull down max weight was 100lbs, 5 sets no more than 15 reps.

    Dips 2 sets of 10 as well.

    Pretty tired, but this routine should help with burning fat and still giving size.

    The Stack Notes:
    - I mentioned a lot of thirst and hunger aspect before.
    - Endurance is there. I mean I feel like I can just go and go.
    - #2 toilet trips have increased big time....
    - I am definitely starting to see some more definition. <-- Only down side to this is I'm not feeling out my clothes as much, so could I have been that bloated? Honestly I like feeling out my clothes.
    - Achy, this has me thinking if I should drop erase pro down to EOD, so I took it today cause it's Wednesday, but I make skip Thusrsday and hit Friday and see how that goes.
    - Acne? Guess that had to be from the erase pro?

    The tribulus in prime is non hormonal, but I don't understand how that could be when the "regular" tribulus is used to boost test? Maybe some can school me here, is it the part of the plant the extract is coming from? Acne Cause?

    I haven't really been lifting for strength but I tested the waters on a couple lifts and a few lifts are up, nothing major a couple pounds, but when strength is up, you gotta be growing.

    Everything is running pretty smooth so far with the stack, been using the Jack3d before lifts @ 1 scoop and that's working out well, initially I thought I would crash from it, but no ill effects. Haven't sipped the BCAAs in a couple days but I'm sure I'll be back to it.

    ---So in the gym today talking to this older fella, 52 years old & is in pretty solid shape. We talked about lifting and he told me that a person who trained him stated he could do abs & biceps everyday; I've heard that with abs, but I hear the exact opposite with biceps, maybe someone can shed some light on his theory, he stated since it's a small muscle you "fill em with the blood and deplete it, & do this everyday and it won't hinder progress". So that's that.
    Also stepped out to eat and had a younger guy ask me about lifting, I gave him my advice. He stated some one else told him to look "big" he needs either 9 years or steroids.... I told him he doesn't need the 'roids.


    I definitely want my full look back, but I guess that's not the point of this erase pro.
    Sorry the read was so long today, feedback on topics brought up so we can discuss would be ideal.

    -Thanks, Aaron.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    Day 8:

    So interesting day today. Woke up early today to start my day and get some cleaning done, well that took a lot out of me for sure and I actually ended up napping and missing out on a few hours in my day. Didn't have much food today but work out was still solid. Still been sticking to the routine of 4 muscle groups with 5 sets and higher rep ranges.

    Today was quads, hams, & triceps & shoulders.

    Military Press max weight used was 135lbs, 5 sets starting in the 15 rep range and working down to 8 reps.

    Leg Press max weight used 360lbs, 5 sets, started at 20 reps & did not do less than 12 reps.

    Leg Curl max weight used was 95lbs, 5 sets 20reps working down to 12 reps.

    Tricep front pull down max weight was 100lbs, 5 sets no more than 15 reps.

    Dips 2 sets of 10 as well.

    Pretty tired, but this routine should help with burning fat and still giving size.

    The Stack Notes:
    - I mentioned a lot of thirst and hunger aspect before.
    - Endurance is there. I mean I feel like I can just go and go.
    - #2 toilet trips have increased big time....
    - I am definitely starting to see some more definition. <-- Only down side to this is I'm not feeling out my clothes as much, so could I have been that bloated? Honestly I like feeling out my clothes.
    - Achy, this has me thinking if I should drop erase pro down to EOD, so I tool it today cause it's Wednesday, but I make skip Thusrsday and hit Friday and see how that goes.
    - Acne? Guess that had to be from the erase pro?

    I haven't really been lifting for strength but I tested the waters on a couple lifts and a few lifts are up, nothing major a couple pounds, but when strength is up, you gotta be growing.

    Everything is running pretty smooth so far with the stack, been using the Jack3d before lifts @ 1 scoop and that's working out well, initially I thought I would crash from it, but no ill effects. Haven't sipped the BCAAs in a couple days but I'm sure I'll be back to it.

    ---So in the gym today talking to this older fella, 52 years old & is in pretty solid shape. We talked about lifting and he told me that a person who trained him stated he could do abs & biceps everyday; I've heard that with abs, but I hear the exact opposite with biceps, maybe someone can shed some light on his theory, he stated since it's a small muscle you "fill em with the blood and deplete it, & do this everyday and it won't hinder progress". So that's that.
    Also stepped out to eat and had a younger guy ask me about lifting, I gave him my advice. He stated some one else told him to look "big" he needs either 9 years or steroids.... I told him he doesn't need the 'roids.


    I definitely want my full look back, but I guess that's not the point of this erase pro.
    Sorry the read was so long today, feedback on topics brought up so we can discuss would be ideal.

    -Thanks, Aaron.
    Great update bro! I'm having constipation issues since starting the stack too..... I've heard abs and calfs could be done everday... I think that people just feel that if they don't get sore or something, because everyone has different combos they feel are ok daily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveToLift

    Great update bro! I'm having constipation issues since starting the stack too..... I've heard abs and calfs could be done everday... I think that people just feel that if they don't get sore or something, because everyone has different combos they feel are ok daily.
    Gotcha, yeah I'm the opposite, I'm not baked up @ all, I've been going like 2 times a day...
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    Gotcha, yeah I'm the opposite, I'm not baked up @ all, I've been going like 2 times a day...
    lol o ok thought on yesterday's post you and another guy were talking about being "backed up".
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveToLift
    lol o ok thought on yesterday's post you and another guy were talking about being "backed up".
    He must have gotten confused too
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    Either way if I can drop some b/f more muscle would most def show, but with that c20 increasing hunger and thirst it won't be that easy. I think c20 is more for recomp.
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    Good update.. Never heard thst about bi's *however* I bet if u did literally 2-3 sets everyday (4-5 days a week) of different exercises for bis then u would def grow / fill and deplete.. Interesting theory.. Might wanna test it out??

    For example:
    Monday- bb curls 3 sets 12,10,8
    Tuesday- hammer curls 3 sets same reps above
    Wed- incline db curls same as above
    Thursday- concentration curls
    Friday- preacher bb curls
    15 sets on the week... Interesting idea..
    But why wouldn't it apply to all muscle groups then? Everyone is different. I hit bi's 3 times a week.. But it's about 19 sets over m,w,f (wed has 15 sets) other days o do one exercise for 2 pump sets..
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza
    Good update.. Never heard thst about bi's *however* I bet if u did literally 2-3 sets everyday (4-5 days a week) of different exercises for bis then u would def grow / fill and deplete.. Interesting theory.. Might wanna test it out??

    For example:
    Monday- bb curls 3 sets 12,10,8
    Tuesday- hammer curls 3 sets same reps above
    Wed- incline db curls same as above
    Thursday- concentration curls
    Friday- preacher bb curls
    15 sets on the week... Interesting idea..
    But why wouldn't it apply to all muscle groups then? Everyone is different. I hit bi's 3 times a week.. But it's about 19 sets over m,w,f (wed has 15 sets) other days o do one exercise for 2 pump sets..
    Yeah I'm going to give it a go, it won't kill me, I may start by just throwing in 3-4 sets every time I lift and do a different exercise start at 15 or 20 reps and just work my way down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1

    Yeah I'm going to give it a go, it won't kill me, I may start by just throwing in 3-4 sets every time I lift and do a different exercise start at 15 or 20 reps and just work my way down.
    Yea how many days u lift? If it's 3-4 u could def do 4 sets each day and see what happens.. Nutrition would have to maybe increase more at least around the workout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza

    Yea how many days u lift? If it's 3-4 u could def do 4 sets each day and see what happens.. Nutrition would have to maybe increase more at least around the workout.
    Yeah. I am doing 4 days, the routine calls for 5 days but that's way too much... At least for right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1

    Yeah. I am doing 4 days, the routine calls for 5 days but that's way too much... At least for right now.
    Word. Yea bulking for me=3 days, recomp =3-4, cut=5

    Thats LIFT days. Extra cardio in between
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza

    Word. Yea bulking for me=3 days, recomp =3-4, cut=5

    Thats LIFT days. Extra cardio in between
    Yeah technically it's a cut routine and that's why it calls for 5... smh
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1
    - Achy, this has me thinking if I should drop erase pro down to EOD, so I took it today cause it's Wednesday, but I make skip Thusrsday and hit Friday and see how that goes.
    I'm starting to get achy too. I might go back to EOD if I'm in rough shape in the morning.
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    I did erase pro EOD bro it worked pretty well indeed
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    only day 4 of Erase Pro here but no aches to speak of. Pretty much the same experience as with Erase except Pro is really drying me out. I really want to see my weight this week, i think i have to be down a pound or two of water bloat at least.
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    Day 9: Already?

    Well off day cause I worked late tonight.

    So where have the PES & USP guys been lately? Have seen then in many of the logs that are going on.

    Either way the only thing to not here is I popped the pro tonight, yes even though I said I would do EOD. That bottle & the little blue caps were staring me right in the face.
    I came off an AndroMass cycle about a month and half ago, and man I looked so swole and full; I had a LOT of bloat and I'm glad I got rid of it. Just wish I looked so full like I did back the with out the bloat.
    Seems my chest and middle area is holding the weight and arms and shoulders are not filling out as much, I think I need to figure out something to help them grow or really cut back on working them 1 of the two.
    Still been on the c20 and still dosing the prime 3 caps twice a day.

    The way I've been eating for a week has not been for fat loss. I mean I was eating 4 bananas with a scoop of p butter each bite. I also was kicking it with a girl so I ate out multiple times (insert joke), but she's gone now. That = back on track.
    I also think I could use much rest because last week I was killing myself going to the gym every chance I got, well it's caught up to me.

    So question of the day with arms & shoulders should I cut back on working them or increase the volume to get some growth?


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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1
    Day 9: Already?

    Well off day cause I worked late tonight.

    So where have the PES & USP guys been lately? Have seen then in many of the logs that are going on.

    Either way the only thing to not here is I popped the pro tonight, yes even though I said I would do EOD. That bottle & the little blue caps were staring me right in the face.
    I came off an AndroMass cycle about a month and half ago, and man I looked so swole and full; I had a LOT of bloat and I'm glad I got rid of it. Just wish I looked so full like I did back the with out the bloat.
    Seems my chest and middle area is holding the weight and arms and shoulders are not filling out as much, I think I need to figure out something to help them grow or really cut back on working them 1 of the two.
    Still been on the c20 and still dosing the prime 3 caps twice a day.

    The way I've been eating for a week has not been for fat loss. I mean I was eating 4 bananas with a scoop of p butter each bite. I also was kicking it with a girl so I ate out multiple times (insert joke), but she's gone now. That = back on track.
    I also think I could use much rest because last week I was killing myself going to the gym every chance I got, well it's caught up to me.

    So question of the day with arms & shoulders should I cut back on working them or increase the volume to get some growth?

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    I would either immediately increase volume or cut back for a few days then increase volume. Only you know your body the best. Just go with your very first instinct it's usually right (read this in an article) don't over think it.. Just do what u first think is the right choice. Volume increases are simple too.. Throw in one or two lighter sets of 15-20 before your working 8-12.. Really gets the blood in there! Been working magic for me lately
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    Quote Originally Posted by chedapalooza

    I would either immediately increase volume or cut back for a few days then increase volume. Only you know your body the best. Just go with your very first instinct it's usually right (read this in an article) don't over think it.. Just do what u first think is the right choice. Volume increases are simple too.. Throw in one or two lighter sets of 15-20 before your working 8-12.. Really gets the blood in there! Been working magic for me lately
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    Something else I noted was last night I popped all my pills together in a close time frame.

    The c20 had me drinking about half a gallon of water and I swear I'm pretty sure the erase pro had me waking up to drip it out a good 6 times!! Sleep was terrible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    Something else I noted was last night I popped all my peoples together in a close time frame.

    The c20 had me drinking about half a gallon of water and I swear I'm pretty sure the erase pro had me waking up to drip it out a good 6 times!! Sleep was terrible.

    Ya the Erase pro had me going to the bathroom alot for sure
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    Aaron my advice on the arms is to lower the volume. Still following along. Pretty good log so far...and I don't really like logs so that's saying something!
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone
    Aaron my advice on the arms is to lower the volume. Still following along. Pretty good log so far...and I don't really like logs so that's saying something!
    Thx! U feeling any better?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    Thx! U feeling any better?

    Wish I could say yes but nope. Still running the bathroom. The wife told me I was looking frail today, so I guess muscle atrophy is in full effect. Sucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marms View Post
    Ya the Erase pro had me going to the bathroom alot for sure
    really? maybe becuase i drink so much water already - i dont notice. i know i am not waking up to go or anything.
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    Good Job so far dude and yes I agree a gf can kill your diet really quick so good thing you got that out of the way .....yes erase pro made me pee so much I found it easier to use a cath up the pee hole and sleep lol jk jk but I did pee a lot which sucked keep killing tho I'll check in later
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    Day 10:

    Sharper & harder & full.

    Those are the descritive words of the day. Woke up and drank only a syntha 6 protein shake: 200 Cals, 15g carbs and 22g of protein and 6g of fat... Usually I have a meal before I lift...
    I went into the gym and I didn't expect to be moving up in weight... But I've been getting a lot of compliments while being on this stack, more so than when I was on AndroMass but either way it makes me feel good.

    I'm still on the 4 muscle groups 5 sets, but I'm keeping the reps lower...
    Chest, Biceps, Calves, Back

    Chest: DB Chest Press hit a PR for me 90lbs got it up about 5-6 times I failed on the last 1... Took a break tried to hit it again and got it up about 3 times, & I remember when I was struggling with the 80s-85s a month or 2 ago.

    Back: Seated low row resistance band, onto 150lbs for about 5 reps that's a new PR as well, sure I could've done a bit more & maybe I should have but I'm going to hit some DB rows & T Bars my next go around.

    Biceps: Did barbell curls @ 90lbs and I had 2 sets of that weight around 5 reps each set. I've hit 90lbs before but I had a lot more reps this time around. Also did some cable curls to even out my total of 5 sets.

    Calves: I admit when it came to this I was a bit tired I got about 3 sets of 150lbs on standing calve raises dropped the weight down each set, nothing to right home about on this 1, but I'll keep after it.

    So weight is increasing or reps are so that's a win.

    Still using jack3d as my pre with 1 heaping scoop as well as sipping the BCAAs troughs out my work out. Energy is there from the jack3d @ 1 scoop for me still and the BCAAs can't really give a comment on because I can't notice much from it, still sore at night? yes I am...

    -People are telling me I'm holding the weight well too, pretty pleased so far.
    I'm not sure if it's the c20 making me thirsty but I drank half a gallon of water last night (was up to 3am) and pissed about 6 times!

    Bloat is like and off and on thing with these pills, like the c20 adds the bloat & fullness and the pro acts as a diuretic.

    Guess with me trying to keeping going heavy my fat loss won't come as easy unless I pick up some cardio which I still have not been doing.
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    Sounds like its working well for you Aaron. Makes me miss the gym. I gotta get back. Its only been 1 week off but it feels like forever since being sick. I actually took some psyllium husk which I always take but have been skipping it since I've been sick. Took it about 1 hour ago and my stomach feels much better. Hope it lasts. Keep at it!.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone
    Sounds like its working well for you Aaron. Makes me miss the gym. I gotta get back. Its only been 1 week off but it feels like forever since being sick. I actually took some psyllium husk which I always take but have been skipping it since I've been sick. Took it about 1 hour ago and my stomach feels much better. Hope it lasts. Keep at it!.
    Thx man... Take the week or 2 off for some R&R and when u come back it make take a week or 2 to get the strength back up, but muscle memory!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    Day 10:

    Sharper & harder & full.

    Those are the descritive words of the day. Woke up and drank only a syntha 6 protein shake: 200 Cals, 15g carbs and 22g of protein and 6g of fat... Usually I have a meal before I lift...
    I went into the gym and I didn't expect to be moving up in weight... But I've been getting a lot of compliments while being on this stack, more so than when I was on AndroMass but either way it makes me feel good.

    I'm still on the 4 muscle groups 5 sets, but I'm keeping the reps lower...
    Chest, Biceps, Calves, Back

    Chest: DB Chest Press hit a PR for me 90lbs got it up about 5-6 times I failed on the last 1... Took a break tried to hit it again and got it up about 3 times, & I remember when I was struggling with the 80s-85s a month or 2 ago.

    Back: Seated low row resistance band, onto 150lbs for about 5 reps that's a new PR as well, sure I could've done a bit more & maybe I should have but I'm going to hit some DB rows & T Bars my next go around.

    Biceps: Did barbell curls @ 90lbs and I had 2 sets of that weight around 5 reps each set. I've hit 90lbs before but I had a lot more reps this time around. Also did some cable curls to even out my total of 5 sets.

    Calves: I admit when it came to this I was a bit tired I got about 3 sets of 150lbs on standing calve raises dropped the weight down each set, nothing to right home about on this 1, but I'll keep after it.

    So weight is increasing or reps are so that's a win.

    Still using jack3d as my pre with 1 heaping scoop as well as sipping the BCAAs troughs out my work out. Energy is there from the jack3d @ 1 scoop for me still and the BCAAs can't really give a comment on because I can't notice much from it, still sore at night? yes I am...

    -People are telling me I'm holding the weight well too, pretty pleased so far.
    I'm not sure if it's the c20 making me thirsty but I drank half a gallon of water last night (was up to 3am) and pissed about 6 times!

    Bloat is like and off and on thing with these pills, like the c20 adds the bloat & fullness and the pro acts as a diuretic.

    Guess with me trying to keeping going heavy my fat loss won't come as easy unless I pick up some cardio which I still have not been doing.
    Good update man, nice job on those DB presses and the seated row PR! Got to add that cardio bro! Its done wonders for me so far and I've only been doing it about 2 months now.
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    Man, Aaron. Sounds like you hit it pretty hard. Grats on the PRs and keep it up.
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    Well this is what happened...
    I never really tested myself on strength, I was just taught to overload. So today I went in to do my "routine" I usually warm up with 60s-65s and then rep in the 75-85lbs range. I'm sitting next to a personal trainer that actually looks like he deserves his job, 220 big cut n jacked, he's shoulder pressing 110-120lbs, looked over and said you're a beast, he said what are those 60s? He said basically I can move weight and should try it, he offered to spot me and even w/o his help I was hitting it, got the 95 & hundos set in my sight for sometime in this log. Guess I never really been pushing my self on the strength side, when I got done and failed I said man that felt good!
    I don't know if it's from this stack or me just pushing myself, it's probably a combo. Either way if this is what OTC pills feel like I'm liking it!
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    I almost always try to go higher, even if I fail, I know that I tried. Even if it is just like 5 lbs. But, keep up the good work!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AaronJP1 View Post
    Well this is what happened...
    I never really tested myself on strength, I was just taught to overload. So today I went in to do my "routine" I usually warm up with 60s-65s and then rep in the 75-85lbs range. I'm sitting next to a personal trainer that actually looks like he deserves his job, 220 big cut n jacked, he's shoulder pressing 110-120lbs, looked over and said you're a beast, he said what are those 60s? He said basically I can move weight and should try it, he offered to spot me and even w/o his help I was hitting it, got the 95 & hundos set in my sight for sometime in this log. Guess I never really been pushing my self on the strength side, when I got done and failed I said man that felt good!
    I don't know if it's from this stack or me just pushing myself, it's probably a combo. Either way if this is what OTC pills feel like I'm liking it!

    I was in the same predicament before I got sick. Never really pushed myself that hard on strength and then when you do you realize you can actually lift much more than you thought. Especially with a spotter. Lifting is 90% mental. When you second guess yourself your setting yourself up for failure. Of course I don't think you need to go to failure all the time to gain mass/strength either. I don't always like constantly asking for a spot so a lot of the time I use lighter weights than I can actually handle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bone

    I was in the same predicament before I got sick. Never really pushed myself that hard on strength and then when you do you realize you can actually lift much more than you thought. Especially with a spotter. Lifting is 90% mental. When you second guess yourself your setting yourself up for failure. Of course I don't think you need to go to failure all the time to gain mass/strength either. I don't always like constantly asking for a spot so a lot of the time I use lighter weights than I can actually handle.
    This.

    I lift alone and it's always busy in my gym so gettin a spot is tough.. When I do get one I always surprise mysel a how much more I can lift. Training to true failure feels amazing as well.. You can tell you did work
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    T Bone and Cheeda u guys had opposing opinions on getting biceps to grow...
    I've heard more on less sets and volume for biceps except for that old lifter last night and you Cheeda who suggest a lot of volume...

    Whats the logic between both options to grow the biceps?
    Also would that mean if a person did a lot of pull ups (which I am starting to hopefully incorporate) should they not do those everyday as well?
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