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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    a few brief observations today:
    • Does lico have diuretic properties? I began to notice it yesterday, but it was far more pronounced today. I work in a school where we run a block schedule (almost 90 minutes periods). I have to pee and the start and end of every block. Damn
    • My temperature is definitely up. It was somewhat chilly this am (in the 40's) and I was still sweating. I am now in my office with the window open, as I am a sweaty pig.
    So the thoughts to me are, somewhat thermogenic, diuretic, along with the joint and ai properties.

    Very cool indeed
    Not that I am aware of, but I do notice when I get on AI's the first week I feel like it acts some what as a diuretic and bye bye water retention lol
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    Here was the morning workout for shoulders. Altered things a little bit due to time constraints. Used a more giant set approach

    Shoulders:
    BTB BB Shrugs (5 sets) 275lbs sets of 10
    Side laterals (5 sets) 30lbs
    Rear laterals (5 sets) 30lbs

    These 3 exercises were in giant format. Meaning, each set was completed with no rest. Once that "set" was done, I gave myself 60 seconds and went again. Exhausting.

    I also did my morning cardio for 40+ minutes
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    What day are we on with lico now, what was your starting weight 202 still the same?

    Have you noticed any drying effects like holding less water or is it to early?
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    I started on Sunday, so this is day 6 for me. I wouldnt say drying per se, I have been a peeing machine
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    going to be lifting shortly. changing the schedule a bit as I am having a daddy/daughter day of golfing this afternoon then dinner

    Will update the log with my back/bi day
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    Had a good early workout today, then got beaten at golf by my 9 year old

    Back
    Rack pulls (5 sets) 2 sets 495lbs 3 reps per
    T Bar Rows (5 sets) up to 4 45's 8 reps
    DB Rows (5 sets) 75lbs sets of 10
    BTN pull ups (4 sets) sets of 8-10

    1-arm preacher bench (5 sets) 35-40lbs sets of 10
    BB Curls (5 sets) sets at 105-115 8 per

    Vascularity seems to get more pronounced by the day, which is obviously a great positive. Strength is status quo, will be checking weight tomorrow morning. Also, I did notice that even with my belt I was having trouble keeping my shorts up during mini golf. That must have been the reason I was so terrible
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    no drying effect from the peeing then?
    what was your starting weight?

    So for now you would say your a tad leaner or perhaps to early days?
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    I definitely believe I am leaner, but I also acknowledge that it is only 1 week in, so as long as I keep my diet in check over the coming weeks, I should be good. Also, I am noticing that my joints are feeling slightly better. Not nearly as achy. At 35, I have had many operations, all of which have taken a toll, and I am let with fairly severe arthritis in my shoulders and upper back/neck. I am not struggling with it at the moment, so I do not feel like an ancient at this point

    I will say, that I have already started thinking about the following 4 weeks after this log. Let me get some thoughts on this

    Licogenix, Titanium, Division 1, DAA caps

    That would be a lot of fun I think
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    normal early am cardio, no great change there. Weight this am was 201, again nothing too noticeable. Looking forward to another "big" chest day today
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    Interesting workout today, as I became fixated on certain exercises and seemed to spend longer than I possible should have on them.

    Chest
    Floor Press (8 sets) 2 sets @ 275 3 reps
    Incline BP (8 sets) 225lbs sets of 8 raised the incline from my last workout to hit the UC more
    Flat flys (4 sets) 60lbs sets of 8

    Triceps
    JM Press (10 sets) 2 sets at 250lbs 4 reps
    1arm db extension (4 sets) 35-40lbs sets of 6-8

    Tri's are pumped to hell, which is a great thing. I was surprised at how easy I moved 250 on JM Presses. Happy overall, also hit the treadmill again for a little more of a sweat.

    Tomorrow is shoulders and I will see how my lower back is prior to deciding on legs
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    JM press?
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    Killer workout!
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    Thanks JD

    Mini, it's a tricep exercise with a close grip and a bb. Then you bring it toward your head in a similar manner to a skull crusher. It's a killer.
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    Day 8 started off nicely. 40+ minutes on the treadmill at the highest incline.

    Calves:
    Standing bb raises (8 sets) 225lbs sets of 12
    *decided to go a little higher as I felt good. My lower back will certainly let me know later

    Shoulders
    BTN Press (5 sets) 135 sets of 12
    Side and rear laterals (5 double sets) 35lbs sets of 8

    Notes:
    had a good pump, vascularity is still quite prominent. Strength is also at status quo. Did not weigh in this am, want to wait a few days to see if there is more to the leaning out.
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    What are libido effects if any?

    Just asking cause I've just read Erase Pro review on this forum and guy that logged it after 8 weeks - today in his review said that libido boost was incredible.
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    Libido has been good, nothing out of the ordinary. However, that is one area I have always been a tad over the top. My poor wife
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    Libido has been good, nothing out of the ordinary. However, that is one area I have always been a tad over the top. My poor wife
    never a bad thing!
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    today was an off day, although I did some ab work and cardio.

    I will say, the vascularity is quite impressive. I am just sitting here, and my forearms look like a road map. Very cool indeed
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    today was an off day, although I did some ab work and cardio.

    I will say, the vascularity is quite impressive. I am just sitting here, and my forearms look like a road map. Very cool indeed
    Vasularity increase seems to be a huge effect of Licogenix
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    It is very pronounced. I just got back to my office, and sat down...looked at my forearm and POP
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    hahaha nice, I've had a couple emails from guys telling me they LOVE Licogenix and it's the best natty product they have used to date, also commenting on vascularity, I can't wait to try this stuff
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    Had another good workout this am, although a surprise on the scale.

    Weighed in at 205lbs. Started to think about what I ate yesterday, to see if I was holding extra water, and it did not seem so. The other interesting aspect, is again, my pants are much looser than they have been. My wife is calling them the sh!t your pants look

    Did my normal 40+ minutes on the treadmill.

    Back
    multi grip chins 3 sets each with underhand, wide grip and behind the neck
    DB Rows (4 sets) 75lbs sets of 10

    Bis
    Hammer curls (6 sets) went a little over the top 45-50lbs
    Concentration curls (3 sets) 30lbs sets of 8

    Again the 2 most notable things to me where the weight and vascularity. I have never tried a product that provided this look this noticeably.
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    Wow a lot of these Licogenix logs looks very promising. If it helps lean out Lean people, I bet it could knock some weight off my phat azz lol
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    Damn! Just everyone has been noticing a fast leaning transformation, vascularity + leaning= don't get better than that
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    Another good workout this am. Hit chest hard after the treadmill

    Incline BP (8 sets) sets at 250 sets of 5
    Superset flys/incline db press (4 sets per) 55lbs sets of 8 (this was a killer)
    Cross bench pullovers (3 sets) 75lbs

    Had a solid pump and felt that for the time of day, strength was good

    Also.....I am going to be changing the routine a bit. The reason is that I did some research into my nerve issue, and much of what I was told was that if I loosened my hamstring it should help with the pain and lack of stability. So since that point, I have been stretched out to the point of severe pain by my wife every night. I think I am ready to start squatting again on a regular basis.

    Once I compile a new routine I will update it here
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    Here is what I came up with:

    Sun: Chest/Tris
    Mon: Quads/Hams/Calves
    Tue: Off
    Wed: Back/Bis
    Thu: Chest
    Fri: Shoulders
    Sat: Back

    Bear in mind, I really wanted to do legs on friday, however I typically hit deads or rack pulls on saturday, and sore legs would be a killer
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    Good luck on the leg workout, I got back into my leg workouts again but tried to increase the weight a little too much over a couple weeks and I paid the price for it and won't be doing weighted squats for awhile again.

    Injuries suck!
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    Oy


    does the male ego suck sometime

    Decided, against my original plan to hit legs (with shoulders). after 40 minutes of box squats, I am completely jello legged.

    My shoulder routine was obviously abbreviated. Major focus was on giant sets for lateral raises
    Front, side, rear laterals (5 sets each in succession) 30lbs

    Box squats (15 sets) went as high as 225lbs for explosive reps then would do sets of higher reps.

    Needless to say, getting down to the toilet is not going to be fun for a few days
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    ahaha I feel your pain today lol
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    really killed it again today, even though my legs a f'n dead. Changed it around a bit and truly just focused on back.

    Seated BB good mornings (5 sets) 75lbs sets of 10
    Deads (6 sets) up to 405lbs 3 reps focused on form a lot more than normal
    Rack pulls (2 sets) 455lbs sets of 3 (will explain this after)
    TBar rows (5 sets) 4 45's sets of 8
    Chins (4 sets) sets of 8-10

    The reason the rack pulls ended abruptly was that I moved too quick to them right after deads. I was spent for a bit after deads, but decided to try any way. Thought I might fall over.

    Good workout overall. Tomorrow will be a heavy chest day, as I will transfer my tri work to Thursdays on the other chest day

    Still tinkering with my schedule
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    Quote Originally Posted by JudgementDay View Post
    hahaha nice, I've had a couple emails from guys telling me they LOVE Licogenix and it's the best natty product they have used to date, also commenting on vascularity, I can't wait to try this stuff
    So excited I start Monday cant wait
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    excellent chest and tris (I wasnt supposed to, but the moment got me) and a slight alteration to the schedule yet again

    Chest:
    Incline BP Warm Up (5 sets) nothing higher than 185 5 reps
    Flat BP (8 sets) 330lbs 1 rep
    Push BP (5 sets) 285lbs for 1 very much a struggling rep

    Tris:
    JM Press (6 sets) 255lbs 3 reps (so thrilled)
    CG BP (4 sets) 2 sets at 225lbs 6 reps

    The change is that I will make Tuesday squat day instead of Monday. I will take Mondays off, and start my week on Tuesdays. I figure that will provide enough time between squats and deads.

    My wife is also buying me a pair of Chucks for my birthday

    On top of that, since I have had 3 shoulder operations thus far, and that is another squatting issue for me, I am thinking of purchasing a top squat by dave draper. Anyone have any thoughts on that?
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    Nice bench!

    I tried it before at the gym, it's better on the shoulders, but for me it felt awkward using it.
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    thanks JD, I am always interested in giving something different a shot and only because of previous injuries. It is supposed to help keep your chest up, which should in principle help the lower back (another ailing spot)

    Weighed in this am at 203 after cardio and bathroom time. Weight is consistent, and body composition is showing slightly leaner and more vascular. Also, the most impressive to me is the joints. All AI's I have used in the past have left some twinge (minor or major) on my joints. Not so this go around
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    Good to hear, the anti-inflammatory effect seems to be strong enough for most to counter act the anti-estrogen stiffness.
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    Very much so. Specifically for an older guy, I find this to be a huge plus
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    Sounds good, any comparism to any other ais?
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    Quote Originally Posted by miniarnold View Post
    Sounds good, any comparism to any other ais?
    My thoughts of comparison:

    My best strength came from Inhibit E, although it destroyed my joints.

    Erase pro was the best leaning out of all of them, but also joint concerns.

    Lico compares quite well with the first Erase, as the strength and recomp effect is similar. What sets Lico apart is the lack of joint discomfort. I always have joint discomfort in certain exercises. It is a product of age, however, it is decreased on this. Not monumental mind you, but noticeable.

    From a strength perspective, I have not noticed anything monumental with either erase or lico.
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    Hit quads and calves today. Went a little overboard as usual.

    15 sets of box squats. Rep range varied from 3 (275lbs) to 5 all the way to 10 (weight dependent)

    5 sets of standing calf raises 225lbs sets of 12

    Felt great, considering I was doing this at 4:20 after some treadmill time. I did lower my time on the treadmill a bit to compensate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE14 View Post
    My thoughts of comparison:

    My best strength came from Inhibit E, although it destroyed my joints.

    Erase pro was the best leaning out of all of them, but also joint concerns.

    Lico compares quite well with the first Erase, as the strength and recomp effect is similar. What sets Lico apart is the lack of joint discomfort. I always have joint discomfort in certain exercises. It is a product of age, however, it is decreased on this. Not monumental mind you, but noticeable.

    From a strength perspective, I have not noticed anything monumental with either erase or lico.

    So lico is very similar to the 1st erase with a leaning and any drying effect about the same?
    cant take erase due to its banned but i can take lico and have always wanted comparims of lico to erase from users of both

    glad it seems to be effective hope its effects improve in time
    keep the body comp updates coming
  

  
 

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