First Log! Androhard + Dermacrine

[HereToStudy]

I would advise against the dermacrine in PCT, unless you meant dermatherm...

[Rahl]

I would advise against the dermacrine in PCT, unless you meant dermatherm...

Agreed. I was assuming he did mean dermatherm.

[bla55]

Agreed. I was assuming he did mean dermatherm.

So many dermas...

Yes, dermatherm! The topical fat loss one.

[bla55]

On a side note;

I know it has been mentioned a few times to run AndroHard as directed on the bottle; should I ever even consider upping the dosages? I just ask this due to my size as it usually take some bigger doses. I guess right now I'm not all that bigger as I used to be at 245 and now am only at 230.

I ask because I got 2 bottles of Androhard, am running for 6 weeks and will inevitably end up with some spare on the second bottle once it's all said and done. I am completely clueless on this aspect so figured wouldn't hurt to ask.

[bla55]

Another workout in.

Chest-Back day, lets go with it:

Dumbell Deadlifts: 230lbs, 10 reps; Widowmaker at 24 with 180.

Wide-Grip Rear Pull Up: Did the regular pull ups, 9, 6, 3.

Machine Fly: 240lbs, at 10, 6, 4

Machine Shoulder Press: 100lbs, 8, 5, 3

Barbell Lying Triceps Extension: 70lbs, 9, 5, 4

I also went for a swim after as a little bit of a cardio, a little bit of relaxation. Did a few laps and was in the pool for about 20 minutes. Got out of it and could feel every muscle, A LOT, exhausted, never felt that big of a pump in my life and I swim every week. I was also the fullest I have ever felt after that swim.

I can see some changes in my body, I've filled up pretty quickly, I have not yet, though, seen much of a leaner look, lost fat or anything like it, which was weird to me, almost feeling like I should have some Androlean with this to boost the crap out of this. I'm enjoying my seemingly gains but I wish it was leaning out more.

[Rodja]

Where's your caloric intake at? Maintenance, slight surplus, deficit?

[ryansm]

On a side note;

I know it has been mentioned a few times to run AndroHard as directed on the bottle; should I ever even consider upping the dosages? I just ask this due to my size as it usually take some bigger doses. I guess right now I'm not all that bigger as I used to be at 245 and now am only at 230.

I ask because I got 2 bottles of Androhard, am running for 6 weeks and will inevitably end up with some spare on the second bottle once it's all said and done. I am completely clueless on this aspect so figured wouldn't hurt to ask.

Yes, some have ran it 1000mgs+...

[bla55]

Yes, some have ran it 1000mgs+...

Do you happen to have any links for that? I've searched but couldn't find anyone's input on how it turned out for them.

I'm thinking of upping a tad bit, nothing major just a boost so I can get the most out of both bottles.

Where's your caloric intake at? Maintenance, slight surplus, deficit?

I'm going to roughly a maintenance level / 100 - 250 calories below on a Keto diet. Following the diet to the tee and then having a refeed on the Saturday usually, keeping it under maintenance but with a lot of whole grains.

So I was hoping to basically exchange fat lbs for muscle lbs as I am still doing cardio about 3x a week (20 minutes of stairmaster or eliptical), jumping rope for about 20 - 30 minutes 2x a week and swimming about 2x a week as well for 20 - 30 minutes.

[ryansm]

Do you happen to have any links for that? I've searched but couldn't find anyone's input on how it turned out for them.

I'm thinking of upping a tad bit, nothing major just a boost so I can get the most out of both bottles.



I'm going to roughly a maintenance level / 100 - 250 calories below on a Keto diet. Following the diet to the tee and then having a refeed on the Saturday usually, keeping it under maintenance but with a lot of whole grains.

So I was hoping to basically exchange fat lbs for muscle lbs as I am still doing cardio about 3x a week (20 minutes of stairmaster or eliptical), jumping rope for about 20 - 30 minutes 2x a week and swimming about 2x a week as well for 20 - 30 minutes.

I'll try and dig some up for you.

[Rodja]

Is that a completely new cardio routine or have you at least been doing part of it for some time now? That would be a ton to add in and might be too much on the body with the low level or carbs you're using.

[bla55]

Is that a completely new cardio routine or have you at least been doing part of it for some time now? That would be a ton to add in and might be too much on the body with the low level or carbs you're using.

I have been doing that for at least 4 months. In all honesty, the Keto diet has never hit me with lethargy, surprisingly enough. And they are very moderate / light cardio (aside from the jump rope, that is pretty intense)

Update on the weekend, just recreational swimming so not much on the workout aspect.

Now, on another note... Weekend with the girlfriend, she came in from Chicago and spent Friday, Sat, Sun... Seriously, libido has never been higher. It hurts. I was getting boners from every single stupid sh!t, including but not limited to her sitting on my lap. She's hot but hell, we've been together for 2 years, haven't really felt like that in quite a while, so I was rather pleasantly surprised. Also, the loads seem to be a lot, and I mean a lot, bigger... We did it about 8 times over the weekend, but who's counting. So just figured I would share that one, REALLY pleased with that side of it, wish I could just run it year round just for that reason!

Tomorrow is Bi-Leg day for DC, body composition has clearly changed and I've been feeling a lot fuller, not a lot of vascularity yet but I'm guessing the 15% of BF is what is keeping that one back more.

Been working very well so far, especially considering the caloric deficit.

[rulk22]

Good feedback on the libido aspect, espcecially after 2 years of being with the same girl. Sometimes you get in that groove where your not as excited anymore, but seeing an increase even while on cycle is pretty damn cool.

[bla55]

I was pretty pumped about it too, did not see that coming but was happy about it, real happy.

[bla55]

Second round of DC Training! Woo!

B1 was up again today, first time that I get a re-run. So here we go, upping weights all around.

Preacher Curls: 75lbs, 14 reps
Reverse Barbel Curl: 60lbs, 19 reps
Squats: 230lbs, 10 reps
Laying Leg Curls: 130lbs, 17 reps
Seated Calf Raises: 90lbs, 12 reps

On another note, I really wish there were some videos showing the stretches... I see the pictures and I THINK I got the stretches right, I mean, I can feel the muscles going crazy, but I am an over-analyzer and would love to see some of the stretches...

Anyway, after everything I did a 20 minute run, slight HIIT.

Body composition continues to change and I can notice some good changes there, still considering upping the dosage on the Androhard, just waiting for some input from reps on safety or some logs I can check and see if it a route worth taking.

That's all for today folks. Tomorrow is swim day, perhaps some rope jumping and ab workout!

[BigBlackGuy]

This log makes me want to run this combo so badly.

As for androhard dose, 500mg was good, 700-800mg even better. I'm thinking as far as DHT prohormones, as long as you don't experience too much in the way of hairloss or blood pressure, more is better lol

[Jabb]

This log makes me want to run this combo so badly.

As for androhard dose, 500mg was good, 700-800mg even better. I'm thinking as far as DHT prohormones, as long as you don't experience too much in the way of hairloss or blood pressure, more is better lol

With a DHT PH would preloading and running Divanil (or Nettle Root) stave off complications such as hairloss, prostate enlargement. If my thinking is clear on it, it should actually help DHT work.

[bla55]

This log makes me want to run this combo so badly.

As for androhard dose, 500mg was good, 700-800mg even better. I'm thinking as far as DHT prohormones, as long as you don't experience too much in the way of hairloss or blood pressure, more is better lol

I've been taking my BP first thing in the morning and it is still pretty reasonable. Also late afternoon is slightly higher but still not horrible, especially considering the stims I take throughout the day (coffee, tea, leviathan reloaded in the morning, etc).

So I'm enjoying it so far. I will continue to keep track of my BP, I haven't seen anything on hair loss to be honest but I put some rogaine up there from time to time just to make sure since I have thin hair. But I haven't experienced much, at least no "Witches" scene where all my hair is coming down! (Props to those who get the reference! One horrible movie! haha)

So I may bump it up a little. I'm currently at 5ml at 7AM, 5ml at 7PM, will toss in another 2ml on each gradually and see how I react to it. I may start phasing back nearing the end of the cycle so that PCT is not a major blow in my face.

[freefall365]

great log so far man. i think phasing up to a stronger dose of AH should be okay and most people really enjoy a higher dose, but phasing down.. idk you might want to get some opinions from people on that...i gather that typically you want to stop cold turkey rather than phase down into PCT.

let us know how the increased dose treats you! i think you'll enjoy it.

[BigBlackGuy]

With a DHT PH would preloading and running Divanil (or Nettle Root) stave off complications such as hairloss, prostate enlargement. If my thinking is clear on it, it should actually help DHT work.

Prostate enlargement is actually primarily an estrogen problem... when DHT and estrogen are raised, the prostate will grow. When DHT alone is high, the prostate can actually get better. This is why testosterone can be most complicating to the prostate because it raises both DHT and estrogen.

For hair loss, it's a relly hard situation. So few ways to avoid it.

[Jabb]

Prostate enlargement is actually primarily an estrogen problem... when DHT and estrogen are raised, the prostate will grow. When DHT alone is high, the prostate can actually get better. This is why testosterone can be most complicating to the prostate because it raises both DHT and estrogen.

For hair loss, it's a relly hard situation. So few ways to avoid it.

Yeah I read that too. So is it that Nettle Root blocks estrogen from moving to the prostate then? Bah I confused myself.

As for avoiding it I could always go bald, but from years of abuse my head is lumpy. For real. lol.

Thanks for the info though BBG!

Also this is a good log, I am in for the win of this.

[ryansm]

I've been taking my BP first thing in the morning and it is still pretty reasonable. Also late afternoon is slightly higher but still not horrible, especially considering the stims I take throughout the day (coffee, tea, leviathan reloaded in the morning, etc).

So I'm enjoying it so far. I will continue to keep track of my BP, I haven't seen anything on hair loss to be honest but I put some rogaine up there from time to time just to make sure since I have thin hair. But I haven't experienced much, at least no "Witches" scene where all my hair is coming down! (Props to those who get the reference! One horrible movie! haha)

So I may bump it up a little. I'm currently at 5ml at 7AM, 5ml at 7PM, will toss in another 2ml on each gradually and see how I react to it. I may start phasing back nearing the end of the cycle so that PCT is not a major blow in my face.

Here are some logs:
Primordial Performance Fat Loss Stack + Androhard (Sponsored) Log - OUFINNY Style
Bludevil's FatLoss Stack + AndroHard (sponsored by PP)
Gettin' Hard! with PP's Androhard and 1-T LV Log
Superdrone+Androhard+Dermacrin Cycle LOG

[bla55]

I'm gonna bump my later dose today with an extra 1ML and will do that until I reach 2 7.5ml doses thorugh the day and see how that goes.

Would just OTC PCT still work even at higher dosages though? I have my SERM but would prefer against using it if I can. I will try to get bloodwork nearing hte end of hte cycle to see overall shutdown and evaluate.

[BigBlackGuy]

I'm gonna bump my later dose today with an extra 1ML and will do that until I reach 2 7.5ml doses thorugh the day and see how that goes.

Would just OTC PCT still work even at higher dosages though? I have my SERM but would prefer against using it if I can. I will try to get bloodwork nearing hte end of hte cycle to see overall shutdown and evaluate.

What is your PCT again?

[Rodja]

I'd say your current PCT scheme will still suffice. AHv1 is not very suppressive and would have to be dosed very, very high to cause some major shutdown.

[bla55]

Sounds good, will continue with it then and up it until I reach about 15 - 20 ml a day.

My PCT right now is the TRS from Primordial Performance, my staples and I'm considering if I should toss in some Erase or something else in there too. I also have some leftover Anabolic Edge, but that would just be an overall supp and not really a PCT material per say.

Serm is still at hand in case I notice anything else.

[Rodja]

If it gives you peace of mind, then use a low dose SERM throughout PCT. Roughly a half dose scheme would be more than enough.

[bla55]

I was dropped to page 2... That must mean I am slacking, big time!

I will continue as planned, sitting at 14ml/day today, Aiming to get to 18ml/day and keep it there until the end of the cycle; by my calculations that will pretty much run both bottles dry.

Dermacrine is the one I'm afraid will be running out before the end, how problematic would that be? Will I have to put in an express order on this? I have even bumped it down to about 3 pumps a day, don't even know if that would even be effective Or if I should go at 5 pumps and just let it be once it runs out.

Anyways, to the fun part, workout:

Underhand Pulldown: 16 bars (I'm not quite sure the weight on each...): 14 reps
Hammer Machine Row: 90lbs, 16 reps
Machine Incline Bench Press: 140lb, 13 reps (this one was cut short not on exhausting but my right shoulder was feeling it a little much, I may need to rethink this and go to free weights)
Barbell Shoulder Press: 45lbs, 22 reps. Again, I'm very iffy about my shoulders so I rather take it a little slower than bust it again...
Triceps Pushdown V-Bar with back support: 9 bars, 15 reps.

Today I was even considering a spin class, but I feel like that could take too much away from my legs in order for me to work them out well tomorrow so I will maybe just go with my usual jump rope, eliptical, swim routine.

[ryansm]

Keep the Derm at 5 pumps, you will be fine if you have to carry on with the AH solo.

[HereToStudy]

Today I was even considering a spin class, but I feel like that could take too much away from my legs in order for me to work them out well tomorrow so I will maybe just go with my usual jump rope, eliptical, swim routine.

Yeah, I have considered doing one of these classes once just to force me into cardio I hardly do, however, Im too paranoid that the over exertion common in those class would be counter productive to my muscle gains.

[rulk22]

Yeah, I have considered doing one of these classes once just to force me into cardio I hardly do, however, Im too paranoid that the over exertion common in those class would be counter productive to my muscle gains.

I have the same thoughts, " is this goin to blunt growth and recovery? ". Only one way to find out is to try it for a while and see what happens.

[bla55]

Yeah, I have considered doing one of these classes once just to force me into cardio I hardly do, however, Im too paranoid that the over exertion common in those class would be counter productive to my muscle gains.

Here's my take on this, take it for whatever

I skipped the spin class yesterday, and what I'm going to do is wait until I only do one set of legs on the week (aka, next week) and THEN do the spin either on Thursday and just fight through the pain or Monday / Thursday.

My main concern wasn't the overload or the fatigue, I think I have pretty good recovery from what I've gathered so far, main problem was being a little sore and because of that slacking on today's workout.

So I just jumped some ropes (I actually have a jump rope "split". I jump rope for 3 mins as hard as I can, drop down and do 3 sets of Abs - one for top, one for bottom, one for obliques - and then get back up and do another 3 mins hardcore, repeat 4 times. This ends up being about half hour long usually), just did about 20 mins of eliptical after that.

[rulk22]

^^ I hate it when my stomach muscles cramp up after much neglect and deciding to do them (abs )again.

[ryansm]

Just eat and sleep more Of course the older you get this no longer works the same, lol.

[ConcreteConny]

Subbed!

//CC

[Rodja]

Just eat and sleep more Of course the older you get this no longer works the same, lol.

This.

In only 3 years, I've already noticed a huge change in my recovery time from when I was training 25-30 hours a week for MMA to now. I attempt to do maybe 15 hours a week and I'm shot within a month.

[ryansm]

This.

In only 3 years, I've already noticed a huge change in my recovery time from when I was training 25-30 hours a week for MMA to now. I attempt to do maybe 15 hours a week and I'm shot within a month.

Ya, if you are performing at a high level it is really noticeable even by your mid 20's, and when you hit 30 it's downright depressing.

[bla55]

Improving and improving...

This was last one of this set:

Widegrip Pulldown: 130lbs, 10, 5, 3.
T-Bar Row: 150lbs, 10, 5, 3.
Dumbbell Bench Press: 70lb each arm, 11, 6, 4.
Machine Lateral Raise: 100lbs, 11, 7, 5.
Cable Triceps Pushdown: 150lbs, 9, 6, 3.

This was today:
Widegrip Lat Pulldown: 190lb, 16 reps
T-Bar Row: 170lbs, 16 reps
Dumbbell Bench Press: 75lbs, 16 reps
Dumbbell Lateral Raise: 30lbs, 18 reps
Cable Triceps Pushdown: 160lbs, 18 reps

Overall good workout, then did my split with the jump ropes again, am beat up right now and ready for bedtime.

[bla55]

Still got a couple more weeks of cycle but am planning on perhaps adding a thing or two to my PCT.

I wanted a fat burner, figured ECA stack was a little much considering BP, I do enjoy some stim though so Erase and the other one from same producer came into mind.

Thoughts on that? ECA would be an overkill right?

[BigBlackGuy]

Still got a couple more weeks of cycle but am planning on perhaps adding a thing or two to my PCT.

I wanted a fat burner, figured ECA stack was a little much considering BP, I do enjoy some stim though so Erase and the other one from same producer came into mind.

Thoughts on that? ECA would be an overkill right?

I dunno man... in PCT I think carrying on with maintenance at least for calories is going to do you a world of good. Derma + Androhard isn't very suppressive but I'd wait till after PCT to continue with the shredding

[bla55]

Ok, needing advice on something...

I am travelling, for work, in the near future, and will be out not for long but will be out for about 4 days in one trip and only overnight on another.

I am travelling with a couple of other people and my main goal was to not check my bag, but I am guessing I will not be allowed in the plane with Dermacrine and Androhard in my carry on.

Will I really have to check a bag? It's gonna hurt to have to pay the $100 bucks... Besides forcing everyone to wait for my bag claim with me. I'm guessing I can get away on the overnight by just taking it early in the morning a double dose and then the next evening the same double dose (besides it would look ridiculous I think to check a bag for a one day trip...) but I don't think I can get away with the 4 day one.

Thoughts?