First Log! Androhard + Dermacrine

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  1. Awesome will be interesting to see the blood work...



  2. The Hormonal results:

    Testosterone, Total: 656 (175 - 781)
    Sex Hormone: 37.9 (13.3 - 89.5)
    Free Androgen Index: 60.1 (24.3 - 110.2)
    Calc Free Testo: 13.3 (3.2 - 19.0)
    Calc Bioav Testo: 313 (80 - 446)

    Will run again at the end and hopefully be somewhat back to these bad boys.
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  3. reps for blood work.

    I'd be very interested in seeing bloods at the end of the cycle before PCT to see how much suppression you really experienced with this cycle consisting of basically DHEA and DHT. I guess this would also tell you how far you need to take your PCT depending on the level of hormone suppression.

  4. Damn, today I forgot to take my Androhard in the morning... Just took my 6PM dose just now but I guess today I will be left with only one dose.

    Out to workout now and we'll see how it goes.

    For future notice, if I do miss out a dose, should I just go for one dose that day or maybe cram the two in a smaller time frame or perhaps just double down on the second?

  5. Quote Originally Posted by bla55 View Post
    Damn, today I forgot to take my Androhard in the morning... Just took my 6PM dose just now but I guess today I will be left with only one dose.

    Out to workout now and we'll see how it goes.

    For future notice, if I do miss out a dose, should I just go for one dose that day or maybe cram the two in a smaller time frame or perhaps just double down on the second?
    I personally "would double down"


  6. Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    I personally "would double down"
    Yeah with AndroHard I would double down.
    Just inject.
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by bla55 View Post
    Damn, today I forgot to take my Androhard in the morning... Just took my 6PM dose just now but I guess today I will be left with only one dose.

    Out to workout now and we'll see how it goes.

    For future notice, if I do miss out a dose, should I just go for one dose that day or maybe cram the two in a smaller time frame or perhaps just double down on the second?
    That sucks and I hate it when I miss a dose ( of whatever ) especially something hormonal. Remember when we would see all the bodybuilders wearing a fanny pack? I think I just might bring the fanny pack back into style. Full of Androseries goodness.
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  8. I have been enjoying the stack, it has brought some fullness to my body and I see my muscles popping out a lot more now, especially after training. Not so much vascularity though, I guess that could very much be because I still have a decent amount of blubber on top of everything as I'm sitting at 15% BF right now, as of yesterday.

    I really want to get that number do the low 10's, wanted at least a 4pack showing. In the single digits would be heaven but I'm not prone to do that on my mid section. Cleaning up my junk closet yesterday, though, I found myself a full, unopen bottle of Dermacrine. It was like Christmas. I'm gonna toss that in as I run PCT to hopefully help lean out a little bit more, also found my stash of ECY stack that I was going to run late last year and didn't due to my scare for higher BP, which is a completely different subject and will be evaluated later on as I don't see it being good for me to pop some ECY right after I'm done with my first hormonal cycle.

    Anyways, WORKOUT! DC B2, for my second set on Bi-Legs.

    Barbell Curls: Put on 20lb on each side of the Barbell bar (which if not mistaken was 44lbs) but I will keep at 40lb just for good measurement. 14 reps overall, def good weight there, the last set my 3rd repetition was cut short in the middle as not even cheating I was able to get it all the way up.

    Hammer Curls: 35lbs on each hand, 16 Reps total

    Leg Press Machine: 270lbs overall, 14 reps. Really need to increase weight on this next time. For widowmaker set I went with 250, also was able to get to 25 so I am going to have to review this one.

    Standing Leg Curl: 40lbs, 22 reps. Increase necessary next time around

    Calf Press on Legpress Machine: 230lbs, 10 reps with the slow negative and the full stretch. Hurt like a MOFO.

    I'm excited to be starting my second run on DC as I'll know what to put on the weights this turn around, almost makes me feel like I should have started DC a couple of weeks before going into this but hey, can't go back in time now so I'm gonna have to make the most of it.

    That's it for right now folks, more workout tonight with my Chest-Back, going to jump some rope, swim for a little and then it's hot tub time and get ready for a relaxing weekend with the GF, will post libido updates later.

  9. Reps for posting bloods. Nice levels too! How old are you?

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Rahl View Post
    Reps for posting bloods. Nice levels too! How old are you?
    26 now.

    So sure as sh!t am happy with those levels. I guess all the animal fat I've been taking in has helped a bit on that with the Keto diet.
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  11. I would advise against the dermacrine in PCT, unless you meant dermatherm...
    Just inject.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    I would advise against the dermacrine in PCT, unless you meant dermatherm...
    Agreed. I was assuming he did mean dermatherm.

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Rahl View Post
    Agreed. I was assuming he did mean dermatherm.
    So many dermas...

    Yes, dermatherm! The topical fat loss one.

  14. On a side note;

    I know it has been mentioned a few times to run AndroHard as directed on the bottle; should I ever even consider upping the dosages? I just ask this due to my size as it usually take some bigger doses. I guess right now I'm not all that bigger as I used to be at 245 and now am only at 230.

    I ask because I got 2 bottles of Androhard, am running for 6 weeks and will inevitably end up with some spare on the second bottle once it's all said and done. I am completely clueless on this aspect so figured wouldn't hurt to ask.

  15. Another workout in.

    Chest-Back day, lets go with it:

    Dumbell Deadlifts: 230lbs, 10 reps; Widowmaker at 24 with 180.

    Wide-Grip Rear Pull Up: Did the regular pull ups, 9, 6, 3.

    Machine Fly: 240lbs, at 10, 6, 4

    Machine Shoulder Press: 100lbs, 8, 5, 3

    Barbell Lying Triceps Extension: 70lbs, 9, 5, 4

    I also went for a swim after as a little bit of a cardio, a little bit of relaxation. Did a few laps and was in the pool for about 20 minutes. Got out of it and could feel every muscle, A LOT, exhausted, never felt that big of a pump in my life and I swim every week. I was also the fullest I have ever felt after that swim.

    I can see some changes in my body, I've filled up pretty quickly, I have not yet, though, seen much of a leaner look, lost fat or anything like it, which was weird to me, almost feeling like I should have some Androlean with this to boost the crap out of this. I'm enjoying my seemingly gains but I wish it was leaning out more.

  16. Where's your caloric intake at? Maintenance, slight surplus, deficit?
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by bla55 View Post
    On a side note;

    I know it has been mentioned a few times to run AndroHard as directed on the bottle; should I ever even consider upping the dosages? I just ask this due to my size as it usually take some bigger doses. I guess right now I'm not all that bigger as I used to be at 245 and now am only at 230.

    I ask because I got 2 bottles of Androhard, am running for 6 weeks and will inevitably end up with some spare on the second bottle once it's all said and done. I am completely clueless on this aspect so figured wouldn't hurt to ask.
    Yes, some have ran it 1000mgs+...


  18. Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    Yes, some have ran it 1000mgs+...
    Do you happen to have any links for that? I've searched but couldn't find anyone's input on how it turned out for them.

    I'm thinking of upping a tad bit, nothing major just a boost so I can get the most out of both bottles.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Where's your caloric intake at? Maintenance, slight surplus, deficit?
    I'm going to roughly a maintenance level / 100 - 250 calories below on a Keto diet. Following the diet to the tee and then having a refeed on the Saturday usually, keeping it under maintenance but with a lot of whole grains.

    So I was hoping to basically exchange fat lbs for muscle lbs as I am still doing cardio about 3x a week (20 minutes of stairmaster or eliptical), jumping rope for about 20 - 30 minutes 2x a week and swimming about 2x a week as well for 20 - 30 minutes.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by bla55 View Post
    Do you happen to have any links for that? I've searched but couldn't find anyone's input on how it turned out for them.

    I'm thinking of upping a tad bit, nothing major just a boost so I can get the most out of both bottles.



    I'm going to roughly a maintenance level / 100 - 250 calories below on a Keto diet. Following the diet to the tee and then having a refeed on the Saturday usually, keeping it under maintenance but with a lot of whole grains.

    So I was hoping to basically exchange fat lbs for muscle lbs as I am still doing cardio about 3x a week (20 minutes of stairmaster or eliptical), jumping rope for about 20 - 30 minutes 2x a week and swimming about 2x a week as well for 20 - 30 minutes.
    I'll try and dig some up for you.


  20. Is that a completely new cardio routine or have you at least been doing part of it for some time now? That would be a ton to add in and might be too much on the body with the low level or carbs you're using.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  21. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Is that a completely new cardio routine or have you at least been doing part of it for some time now? That would be a ton to add in and might be too much on the body with the low level or carbs you're using.
    I have been doing that for at least 4 months. In all honesty, the Keto diet has never hit me with lethargy, surprisingly enough. And they are very moderate / light cardio (aside from the jump rope, that is pretty intense)

    Update on the weekend, just recreational swimming so not much on the workout aspect.

    Now, on another note... Weekend with the girlfriend, she came in from Chicago and spent Friday, Sat, Sun... Seriously, libido has never been higher. It hurts. I was getting boners from every single stupid sh!t, including but not limited to her sitting on my lap. She's hot but hell, we've been together for 2 years, haven't really felt like that in quite a while, so I was rather pleasantly surprised. Also, the loads seem to be a lot, and I mean a lot, bigger... We did it about 8 times over the weekend, but who's counting. So just figured I would share that one, REALLY pleased with that side of it, wish I could just run it year round just for that reason!

    Tomorrow is Bi-Leg day for DC, body composition has clearly changed and I've been feeling a lot fuller, not a lot of vascularity yet but I'm guessing the 15% of BF is what is keeping that one back more.

    Been working very well so far, especially considering the caloric deficit.

  22. Good feedback on the libido aspect, espcecially after 2 years of being with the same girl. Sometimes you get in that groove where your not as excited anymore, but seeing an increase even while on cycle is pretty damn cool.
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  23. I was pretty pumped about it too, did not see that coming but was happy about it, real happy.
    Androhard + Andromass Log
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/182038-so-i-decided.html

  24. Second round of DC Training! Woo!

    B1 was up again today, first time that I get a re-run. So here we go, upping weights all around.

    Preacher Curls: 75lbs, 14 reps
    Reverse Barbel Curl: 60lbs, 19 reps
    Squats: 230lbs, 10 reps
    Laying Leg Curls: 130lbs, 17 reps
    Seated Calf Raises: 90lbs, 12 reps

    On another note, I really wish there were some videos showing the stretches... I see the pictures and I THINK I got the stretches right, I mean, I can feel the muscles going crazy, but I am an over-analyzer and would love to see some of the stretches...

    Anyway, after everything I did a 20 minute run, slight HIIT.

    Body composition continues to change and I can notice some good changes there, still considering upping the dosage on the Androhard, just waiting for some input from reps on safety or some logs I can check and see if it a route worth taking.

    That's all for today folks. Tomorrow is swim day, perhaps some rope jumping and ab workout!
    Androhard + Andromass Log
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/182038-so-i-decided.html

  25. This log makes me want to run this combo so badly.

    As for androhard dose, 500mg was good, 700-800mg even better. I'm thinking as far as DHT prohormones, as long as you don't experience too much in the way of hairloss or blood pressure, more is better lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy View Post
    This log makes me want to run this combo so badly.

    As for androhard dose, 500mg was good, 700-800mg even better. I'm thinking as far as DHT prohormones, as long as you don't experience too much in the way of hairloss or blood pressure, more is better lol
    With a DHT PH would preloading and running Divanil (or Nettle Root) stave off complications such as hairloss, prostate enlargement. If my thinking is clear on it, it should actually help DHT work.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy View Post
    This log makes me want to run this combo so badly.

    As for androhard dose, 500mg was good, 700-800mg even better. I'm thinking as far as DHT prohormones, as long as you don't experience too much in the way of hairloss or blood pressure, more is better lol
    I've been taking my BP first thing in the morning and it is still pretty reasonable. Also late afternoon is slightly higher but still not horrible, especially considering the stims I take throughout the day (coffee, tea, leviathan reloaded in the morning, etc).

    So I'm enjoying it so far. I will continue to keep track of my BP, I haven't seen anything on hair loss to be honest but I put some rogaine up there from time to time just to make sure since I have thin hair. But I haven't experienced much, at least no "Witches" scene where all my hair is coming down! (Props to those who get the reference! One horrible movie! haha)

    So I may bump it up a little. I'm currently at 5ml at 7AM, 5ml at 7PM, will toss in another 2ml on each gradually and see how I react to it. I may start phasing back nearing the end of the cycle so that PCT is not a major blow in my face.
    Androhard + Andromass Log
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/182038-so-i-decided.html

  28. great log so far man. i think phasing up to a stronger dose of AH should be okay and most people really enjoy a higher dose, but phasing down.. idk you might want to get some opinions from people on that...i gather that typically you want to stop cold turkey rather than phase down into PCT.

    let us know how the increased dose treats you! i think you'll enjoy it.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by Jabb View Post
    With a DHT PH would preloading and running Divanil (or Nettle Root) stave off complications such as hairloss, prostate enlargement. If my thinking is clear on it, it should actually help DHT work.
    Prostate enlargement is actually primarily an estrogen problem... when DHT and estrogen are raised, the prostate will grow. When DHT alone is high, the prostate can actually get better. This is why testosterone can be most complicating to the prostate because it raises both DHT and estrogen.

    For hair loss, it's a relly hard situation. So few ways to avoid it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBlackGuy View Post
    Prostate enlargement is actually primarily an estrogen problem... when DHT and estrogen are raised, the prostate will grow. When DHT alone is high, the prostate can actually get better. This is why testosterone can be most complicating to the prostate because it raises both DHT and estrogen.

    For hair loss, it's a relly hard situation. So few ways to avoid it.
    Yeah I read that too. So is it that Nettle Root blocks estrogen from moving to the prostate then? Bah I confused myself.

    As for avoiding it I could always go bald, but from years of abuse my head is lumpy. For real. lol.

    Thanks for the info though BBG!

    Also this is a good log, I am in for the win of this.
  

  
 

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