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- 09-30-2010, 05:46 PM
the calcium was what the Italian study which showed to raise testosterone with calcium chelate, that's what testforce uses I think, don't feel like looking it up now
has there been user testing done on NP's bulk DAA that showed that testosterone increased in 14 days? I saw Epharms testing and it was impressive. have you saw this study?
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- 09-30-2010, 06:08 PM
DAA is DAA. We sell bulks of several products. I can guarantee you will see your test increase within the first 14 days, it's what DAA does.Nutraplanet Representative
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- 09-30-2010, 06:09 PM
Day 13 PUSH
Okay everyone you have all given me a lot of information to process. I wanted to thank all of you for your input.
One thing I was aware of since MrBig made me start thinking of things that would be out of whack and could raise more flags. I actually did something smart. Well kind of. I knew my cholesteral was going to be high and I didn't want that to be a problem for me. I went to the gym this morning then had a big carb filled shake afterwards.
Doc says So are you fasted and ready for your labs?
No Ma'am I am not fasted I have had about 800 calories already today.
Doc says "You mean you aren't fasted?"
I asked why do I need to be fasted to have you check my testosterone levels? Does food have an effect on them? DER-DER-DURRRRR
Doc says no but you are getting also getting a physical.
I told her I didn't come here for a physical they told me once I got here I had to have one so here we are.
She said okay whenever you want to have your cholesteral checked you can call us and come back in to get the paper work but you have to be fasted. One minor bullet dodged.
Like I said I am not even sure if I will go on TRT just yet but I want to have the option.
Doug yes I think if you started TRT and were on it for an extended period of time then you probably would end up needing to stay on it. This is part of my issue with it. Like I said I will see what the doctor says about my tests and levels. If I am over 300 then I wont even worry about this again for quite a long time. Along the same lines once it has been prescribed it isn't that expensive to purchase and could easily replace the money spent on test boosters and what not. So monetarily it shouldn't be too much of a difference compared to current expenses. As Big said if I am over 300 I don't really even qualify for TRT, and that will be ok too. My HPTA has always been good and this short cycle shouldn't change that.
Okay now that we have covered the TRT stuff thoroughly.
Day 13 Push
HS Chest press - not the Wide grip one. 90x5, 115x5, 115x5, 115x4, 90x5 - This was hard as all get out. Much harder to do than the wide grip and way more triceps intensive. I could have gotten 115 for 5 on all of the sets but my head began to pound hard during that 4rth set. Even finishing the 5th at a lower weight I could feel the pulse radiating pain from my medulla all the way up into my frontal lobes. I was like Oh hell no. I just moved my neck wrong or something or forgot to breathe increasing pressure.
HS Shoulder press - 70x5, 110x5, 110x5, 110x5, 110x5 - this was extremely hard to finish out my last set. I had to really fight for the last rep.
Straight bar cable triceps ext. - 80x5, 100x5, 80x5, 80x5, 80x5 the move up to 100 caused a little discomfort in my elbow. I was also already pretty much dead in the triceps due to being very depleted and the extra triceps work from the different chest press today.
Hack Squats 225x5, 315x5, 365x5, 385x5, 405x5 these were nice and deep took the full 3 seconds negative on all reps and sets was a great lift.
Weight at the doctor this morning 208 with thin dress pants and a shirt on. I will say this I leaned out a lot this week by keeping carbs lower. My abs came back in pretty good. Not sure what the body weight is without any clothes but estimating 203-205 from the close I was wearing when weighed this morning.
09-30-2010, 06:16 PM
I trust NP bulk powders as a great source of bulks. I would think the only differences in effectiveness may come from the salts as Big said. Big is the NP stuff the same as what is in TCF-1? Sodium D A A or whatever? I know I have seen two types out there and the one in TCF-1 touts about 10% higher increases in the testing. it says 42% increase and the others I have read say something like 33% increase.
09-30-2010, 07:05 PM
TCF-1 could claim the higher percentages based on their Liqua vade technology. For the price, bulk DAA is going to definitely be a win win. I have seen the same effects from each DAA product, when you buy something preformulated you are paying for convenience.
TCF-1 and Test force I both stand by and are solid products.
John if you want I could send you a tub and you an see everything for yourself
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09-30-2010, 07:53 PM
09-30-2010, 11:16 PM
yeah im kinda eager to know how your results.
Nice workout! Killer strength on those hack squats big guy. Very impressive to say the least.
As far as suppression via prolonged TRT...well much more experienced minds have spoken up therefore no need for me to add my inexperienced opinion.
You have the right mindset that if your HPTA is solid...no need to get the TRT.
As far as DAA is concerned...yeah I have a bottle of TCF-1 i got on that ridiculous sale a few months back that I have yet to run....i should probably run that soon.
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09-30-2010, 11:19 PM
10-01-2010, 02:01 AM
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10-01-2010, 02:48 AM
Hey Kleen, sorry I've been gone missing some great stuff as usual They just put us on 12s again so I have been getting used to it lol.
How goes the PCT?
Quick question, which may be stupid:
My MMv3 and M1D is about gone, last day today. It looks like I am being sent home early, don't know the date yet but it will probably be early november. This means I only have a month or so of free food and a big gym left...I am taking my week off from training (going to swim/run EOD though) and am curious if I can start up that super dmz that soon...want to capitalize on the last free food and stuff my face. The trifecta stuff has had 0 impact on libido and no shrunken balls or anything, am I stupid for even thinkin of the dmz now??
10-01-2010, 06:44 AM
I would focus on recovering, what's the point of eating all that food if u wont be able to maintain te eating when u go back to the states? do u have a serm there?
10-01-2010, 07:40 AM
But I agree with Biggie here. Not just about the recovery part nor the extra food you have over there to gorge on. There's more to take into consideration.
Even though the Trifecta stack is mild, it still has some suppression with it. At least a little. So give yourself a month or 2 of training natty and then hit up the DMZ.
You can always use some Anadraulic State GTSE to get you fired up for your workouts.
And Biggie is right about you needing a SERM following that DMZ run. Make sure you get one.
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10-01-2010, 11:27 AM
10-01-2010, 11:41 AM
Thanks for not laughing at me buaha I am supposed to be back forever...but I have job offers to become an interrogator instructor in Utah with the BN I am working for now, and I also had an intel contractor ask me for my resume the other day...so who knows
I will go natty for a month, taking a break from everything will do me good. Fish oil and protein notwithstanding of course
10-01-2010, 11:44 AM
Oh I think I have my diet set up for when I get back too...will most likely be nothing but chicken breast, rice, oats, cottage cheese with some veggies thrown in every once and awhile for good measure. Then of course the occasional fast food cheat day on the weekends or something, I will be in college after all, definitely won't drink on super dmz either, dont want to destroy my liver on the first go eh
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10-02-2010, 12:10 AM
Buahahah I would either get real big/strong real fast or die trying working out with you Major!!
10-02-2010, 12:14 AM
10-02-2010, 10:16 AM
Kleen, little off topic, but when you're on super low carbs or when you were contest prepping; do you find your intensity is lessened? I don't have many 2nd winds anymore and my forced reps are close to nothing. I'm attributing this to my low carbs daily and small carb ups. Not gonna lie, I'm starting to look like a freak...but its starting to take its toll on my workouts..TY
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