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  1. Quote Originally Posted by MrBigPR View Post
    We have to have each bulk tested in order to sell and DAA is no exception. It's the law, if we didn't we wouldn't be selling bulks. Our DAA is official. The difference in Testforce and ours is the salt used. Test force mixes better due to the calcium.
    I am not questioning the purity I know Nps good to go Ive been buying from them since 2005 and spent a lot of my money

    the calcium was what the Italian study which showed to raise testosterone with calcium chelate, that's what testforce uses I think, don't feel like looking it up now

    has there been user testing done on NP's bulk DAA that showed that testosterone increased in 14 days? I saw Epharms testing and it was impressive. have you saw this study?

    Im not for Epharm or NP Im for the best quality and price I can find in both with quality being most important
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  2. DAA is DAA. We sell bulks of several products. I can guarantee you will see your test increase within the first 14 days, it's what DAA does.
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  3. Day 13 PUSH


    Okay everyone you have all given me a lot of information to process. I wanted to thank all of you for your input.

    One thing I was aware of since MrBig made me start thinking of things that would be out of whack and could raise more flags. I actually did something smart. Well kind of. I knew my cholesteral was going to be high and I didn't want that to be a problem for me. I went to the gym this morning then had a big carb filled shake afterwards.

    Doc says So are you fasted and ready for your labs?
    No Ma'am I am not fasted I have had about 800 calories already today.
    Doc says "You mean you aren't fasted?"
    I asked why do I need to be fasted to have you check my testosterone levels? Does food have an effect on them? DER-DER-DURRRRR
    Doc says no but you are getting also getting a physical.
    I told her I didn't come here for a physical they told me once I got here I had to have one so here we are.

    She said okay whenever you want to have your cholesteral checked you can call us and come back in to get the paper work but you have to be fasted. One minor bullet dodged.

    Like I said I am not even sure if I will go on TRT just yet but I want to have the option.

    Doug yes I think if you started TRT and were on it for an extended period of time then you probably would end up needing to stay on it. This is part of my issue with it. Like I said I will see what the doctor says about my tests and levels. If I am over 300 then I wont even worry about this again for quite a long time. Along the same lines once it has been prescribed it isn't that expensive to purchase and could easily replace the money spent on test boosters and what not. So monetarily it shouldn't be too much of a difference compared to current expenses. As Big said if I am over 300 I don't really even qualify for TRT, and that will be ok too. My HPTA has always been good and this short cycle shouldn't change that.

    Okay now that we have covered the TRT stuff thoroughly.

    Day 13 Push

    HS Chest press - not the Wide grip one. 90x5, 115x5, 115x5, 115x4, 90x5 - This was hard as all get out. Much harder to do than the wide grip and way more triceps intensive. I could have gotten 115 for 5 on all of the sets but my head began to pound hard during that 4rth set. Even finishing the 5th at a lower weight I could feel the pulse radiating pain from my medulla all the way up into my frontal lobes. I was like Oh hell no. I just moved my neck wrong or something or forgot to breathe increasing pressure.

    HS Shoulder press - 70x5, 110x5, 110x5, 110x5, 110x5 - this was extremely hard to finish out my last set. I had to really fight for the last rep.

    Straight bar cable triceps ext. - 80x5, 100x5, 80x5, 80x5, 80x5 the move up to 100 caused a little discomfort in my elbow. I was also already pretty much dead in the triceps due to being very depleted and the extra triceps work from the different chest press today.

    Hack Squats 225x5, 315x5, 365x5, 385x5, 405x5 these were nice and deep took the full 3 seconds negative on all reps and sets was a great lift.

    Weight at the doctor this morning 208 with thin dress pants and a shirt on. I will say this I leaned out a lot this week by keeping carbs lower. My abs came back in pretty good. Not sure what the body weight is without any clothes but estimating 203-205 from the close I was wearing when weighed this morning.
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  4. I trust NP bulk powders as a great source of bulks. I would think the only differences in effectiveness may come from the salts as Big said. Big is the NP stuff the same as what is in TCF-1? Sodium D A A or whatever? I know I have seen two types out there and the one in TCF-1 touts about 10% higher increases in the testing. it says 42% increase and the others I have read say something like 33% increase.
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
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    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html

  5. TCF-1 could claim the higher percentages based on their Liqua vade technology. For the price, bulk DAA is going to definitely be a win win. I have seen the same effects from each DAA product, when you buy something preformulated you are paying for convenience.

    TCF-1 and Test force I both stand by and are solid products.

    John if you want I could send you a tub and you an see everything for yourself
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  6. Kleen, how long till we hear about the results?

  7. yeah im kinda eager to know how your results.

    Nice workout! Killer strength on those hack squats big guy. Very impressive to say the least.

    As far as suppression via prolonged TRT...well much more experienced minds have spoken up therefore no need for me to add my inexperienced opinion.

    You have the right mindset that if your HPTA is solid...no need to get the TRT.

    As far as DAA is concerned...yeah I have a bottle of TCF-1 i got on that ridiculous sale a few months back that I have yet to run....i should probably run that soon.
    DISCLAIMER: Anything that I post on this forum should not be taken as medical advice. Consult your doctor before starting new diets, supplements, training protocols, and/or if you have any concerns about your health.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by MrBigPR View Post
    TCF-1 could claim the higher percentages based on their Liqua vade technology. For the price, bulk DAA is going to definitely be a win win. I have seen the same effects from each DAA product, when you buy something preformulated you are paying for convenience.

    TCF-1 and Test force I both stand by and are solid products.

    John if you want I could send you a tub and you an see everything for yourself
    Can I pretend to be John?

    How long do you take DAA for? As far as dosage, I know people have mimicked the study of 3g and is that all at once?
    NSCA - CSCS

  9. Quote Originally Posted by MrBigPR View Post
    TCF-1 could claim the higher percentages based on their Liqua vade technology. For the price, bulk DAA is going to definitely be a win win. I have seen the same effects from each DAA product, when you buy something preformulated you are paying for convenience.

    TCF-1 and Test force I both stand by and are solid products.

    John if you want I could send you a tub and you an see everything for yourself
    Good to know I have 2 tubs of DAA coming my way

    Quote Originally Posted by VolcomX311 View Post
    Can I pretend to be John?

    How long do you take DAA for? As far as dosage, I know people have mimicked the study of 3g and is that all at once?
    I was wondering the same thing. So far I have read on some post people recomending 3g a day for 12 days and then 12 days off, same as TCF but im not sure if that is the best way or not.
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  10. Hey Kleen, sorry I've been gone missing some great stuff as usual They just put us on 12s again so I have been getting used to it lol.

    How goes the PCT?

    Quick question, which may be stupid:

    My MMv3 and M1D is about gone, last day today. It looks like I am being sent home early, don't know the date yet but it will probably be early november. This means I only have a month or so of free food and a big gym left...I am taking my week off from training (going to swim/run EOD though) and am curious if I can start up that super dmz that soon...want to capitalize on the last free food and stuff my face. The trifecta stuff has had 0 impact on libido and no shrunken balls or anything, am I stupid for even thinkin of the dmz now??

  11. I would focus on recovering, what's the point of eating all that food if u wont be able to maintain te eating when u go back to the states? do u have a serm there?

  12. Quote Originally Posted by votum View Post
    Quick question, which may be stupid:

    My MMv3 and M1D is about gone, last day today. It looks like I am being sent home early, don't know the date yet but it will probably be early november. This means I only have a month or so of free food and a big gym left...I am taking my week off from training (going to swim/run EOD though) and am curious if I can start up that super dmz that soon...want to capitalize on the last free food and stuff my face. The trifecta stuff has had 0 impact on libido and no shrunken balls or anything, am I stupid for even thinkin of the dmz now??
    Quote Originally Posted by MrBigPR View Post
    I would focus on recovering, what's the point of eating all that food if u wont be able to maintain te eating when u go back to the states? do u have a serm there?
    Votum. The only stupid question is the one that never gets asked.

    But I agree with Biggie here. Not just about the recovery part nor the extra food you have over there to gorge on. There's more to take into consideration.
    Even though the Trifecta stack is mild, it still has some suppression with it. At least a little. So give yourself a month or 2 of training natty and then hit up the DMZ.
    You can always use some Anadraulic State GTSE to get you fired up for your workouts.


    And Biggie is right about you needing a SERM following that DMZ run. Make sure you get one.
    THE PAIN YOU ENDURE TODAY WILL PRODUCE THE POWER YOU ENJOY TOMORROW!!

    "Ye are gods, and all of you are children of the most High."

  13. Quote Originally Posted by MrBigPR View Post
    TCF-1 could claim the higher percentages based on their Liqua vade technology. For the price, bulk DAA is going to definitely be a win win. I have seen the same effects from each DAA product, when you buy something preformulated you are paying for convenience.

    TCF-1 and Test force I both stand by and are solid products.

    John if you want I could send you a tub and you an see everything for yourself
    John here where do I forward my addy?

    Quote Originally Posted by FlexW99 View Post
    Kleen, how long till we hear about the results?
    Well I am going to call and see if they are ready next week but my appointment isn't until the following Thursday they wanted to give the lab 2 weeks to get them back to us. I am sure will be in before then.

    Quote Originally Posted by thundergod View Post
    Votum. The only stupid question is the one that never gets asked.

    But I agree with Biggie here. Not just about the recovery part nor the extra food you have over there to gorge on. There's more to take into consideration.
    Even though the Trifecta stack is mild, it still has some suppression with it. At least a little. So give yourself a month or 2 of training natty and then hit up the DMZ.
    You can always use some Anadraulic State GTSE to get you fired up for your workouts.


    And Biggie is right about you needing a SERM following that DMZ run. Make sure you get one.
    I agree with Big and Thunder, now is not the time for that also once in the states you can use protein powder, and get a coffee grinder and grind up oats. Those are cheap as all get out here. Getting nutrtion does not HAVE to be a major expense. You don't need free food to be able to grow, just a change in your thoughts on nutrition. So if you are going to be home for a long haul I would get back here and then get a proper pct once here then start your DMZ run once you have it. Seems just about any city nowadays has a gym somewhere for 10-15 dollars a month so you can do this without increasing your monetary output too much. Save some money from all that drinking and NO YOU SHOULD NOT DRINK on DMZ. I know you didn't ask but while you are on no drinking. How long are you supposed to be back for?
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
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    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html

  14. Thanks for not laughing at me buaha I am supposed to be back forever...but I have job offers to become an interrogator instructor in Utah with the BN I am working for now, and I also had an intel contractor ask me for my resume the other day...so who knows

    I will go natty for a month, taking a break from everything will do me good. Fish oil and protein notwithstanding of course

  15. Oh I think I have my diet set up for when I get back too...will most likely be nothing but chicken breast, rice, oats, cottage cheese with some veggies thrown in every once and awhile for good measure. Then of course the occasional fast food cheat day on the weekends or something, I will be in college after all, definitely won't drink on super dmz either, dont want to destroy my liver on the first go eh

  16. Quote Originally Posted by votum View Post
    Thanks for not laughing at me buaha I am supposed to be back forever...but I have job offers to become an interrogator instructor in Utah with the BN I am working for now, and I also had an intel contractor ask me for my resume the other day...so who knows
    ummmm YES!!!!!!!!!! I finally get to have a lifting partner!!!!!
    Working on living

  17. Quote Originally Posted by votum View Post
    Oh I think I have my diet set up for when I get back too...will most likely be nothing but chicken breast, rice, oats, cottage cheese with some veggies thrown in every once and awhile for good measure. Then of course the occasional fast food cheat day on the weekends or something, I will be in college after all, definitely won't drink on super dmz either, dont want to destroy my liver on the first go eh
    Good man, sounds like you have a good idea on the diet except I don't know about veggies thrown into my cottage cheese... that diesn't sound appealing at all.
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Training Log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html

  18. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Good man, sounds like you have a good idea on the diet except I don't know about veggies thrown into my cottage cheese... that diesn't sound appealing at all.
    I put cottage cheese on my brocolli sometimes... with a little bit of hot sauce.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  19. Quote Originally Posted by votum View Post
    I will go natty for a month, taking a break from everything will do me good. Fish oil and protein notwithstanding of course
    Don't forget you can still take some ASGT before your workouts for some added firepower.
    THE PAIN YOU ENDURE TODAY WILL PRODUCE THE POWER YOU ENJOY TOMORROW!!

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  20. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    John here where do I forward my addy?
    LOL I lawled in real life.
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by thundergod View Post
    Don't forget you can still take some ASGT before your workouts for some added firepower.
    Damn skippy TG!!! 2 scoops today with Erase beforehand and 25mg Ephedrine, oh man that was a fun workout.
    If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Army Guy View Post
    ummmm YES!!!!!!!!!! I finally get to have a lifting partner!!!!!
    Someone needs to lift with the Major; I want to know if his epic intensity is as crazy in person as I perceive it to be in my head!!!!
    If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Army Guy View Post
    ummmm YES!!!!!!!!!! I finally get to have a lifting partner!!!!!
    That would be awesome. My intensity inherently goes up when what I percieved to be a rough set is performed with less difficulty then my workout partner, then I'm like, "U-kay, zay ello to my lil fren!!....." then I go bomb crazy on the next set.
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by thundergod View Post
    Don't forget you can still take some ASGT before your workouts for some added firepower.
    Might buy some then...do we start resisting ASGT like other pre-wos? I know its got a very different formula than any other pre-wo, been on the stims awhile and think a break will do me good. Not even getting BA tingles anymore lol.


    Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    Damn skippy TG!!! 2 scoops today with Erase beforehand and 25mg Ephedrine, oh man that was a fun workout.
    You must be the guy who broke the 100lb DB thats on display in my gym in half!

    Quote Originally Posted by Army Guy View Post
    ummmm YES!!!!!!!!!! I finally get to have a lifting partner!!!!!

    Buahahah I would either get real big/strong real fast or die trying working out with you Major!!

  25. Quote Originally Posted by VolcomX311 View Post
    That would be awesome. My intensity inherently goes up when what I percieved to be a rough set is performed with less difficulty then my workout partner, then I'm like, "U-kay, zay ello to my lil fren!!....." then I go bomb crazy on the next set.
    lulz

  26. Kleen, little off topic, but when you're on super low carbs or when you were contest prepping; do you find your intensity is lessened? I don't have many 2nd winds anymore and my forced reps are close to nothing. I'm attributing this to my low carbs daily and small carb ups. Not gonna lie, I'm starting to look like a freak...but its starting to take its toll on my workouts..TY

  27. Quote Originally Posted by FlexW99 View Post
    Kleen, little off topic, but when you're on super low carbs or when you were contest prepping; do you find your intensity is lessened? I don't have many 2nd winds anymore and my forced reps are close to nothing. I'm attributing this to my low carbs daily and small carb ups. Not gonna lie, I'm starting to look like a freak...but its starting to take its toll on my workouts..TY
    Flex ya that is normal try getting some mct oil online and take about 15 grams 45 minutes or so before your workout it masy help. I need to go check your thread for current pics. I bet you are looking amazing.
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Training Log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html

  28. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Flex ya that is normal try getting some mct oil online and take about 15 grams 45 minutes or so before your workout it masy help. I need to go check your thread for current pics. I bet you are looking amazing.
    No threads at the moment. I will check into the MCT oil, thanks buddy!

  29. ASGT doesn't help? I find if I low carb (not on purpose) ASGT picks me right up

  30. Quote Originally Posted by MrBigPR View Post
    ASGT doesn't help? I find if I low carb (not on purpose) ASGT picks me right up
    Ive been on a contest diet thats been shreddin me up but my carbs have been so low for so long that its affecting my workouts. My supplementation is doing a great job keeping me focused, motivated; but ultimately, as you know, the diet is the tell-all and low low carbs day in and day out are finally takin their toll. Technically, I've been recomping all year. I've had no 8 week bulks or any significantly high carb up days for a consistent period. It's not gettin me down, I'm lookin better than ever, it is what it is right now!
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