I may be wrong but I don't think that Epi shuts you down as hard as Superdrol or Dymethazine. I know I was not as shut down from the Epi when i took it. HCGenerate came back down to normal price if you had the funds it may be worth getting if you could get it quick enough that is. I really want to use it with my next run. The fadogia in TForce worked for me and that is the whole plantextract the stem extract is supposed to be much more potent.Yah pretty much what I was eluding to in my thread about being shut down hard like that. I think that if I don't shut down too hard I can have similar gains when PCT is done. I have heard that some actually continue gain strength during PCT but being that shut down just holding steady would be quite an accomplishment. The proof is is the pudding but your experience gives me a very good point of reference for comparisions. First of all I have to hope I am less shut down and am able to recover faster.