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    I would focus on recovering, what's the point of eating all that food if u wont be able to maintain te eating when u go back to the states? do u have a serm there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by votum View Post
    Quick question, which may be stupid:

    My MMv3 and M1D is about gone, last day today. It looks like I am being sent home early, don't know the date yet but it will probably be early november. This means I only have a month or so of free food and a big gym left...I am taking my week off from training (going to swim/run EOD though) and am curious if I can start up that super dmz that soon...want to capitalize on the last free food and stuff my face. The trifecta stuff has had 0 impact on libido and no shrunken balls or anything, am I stupid for even thinkin of the dmz now??
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    I would focus on recovering, what's the point of eating all that food if u wont be able to maintain te eating when u go back to the states? do u have a serm there?
    Votum. The only stupid question is the one that never gets asked.

    But I agree with Biggie here. Not just about the recovery part nor the extra food you have over there to gorge on. There's more to take into consideration.
    Even though the Trifecta stack is mild, it still has some suppression with it. At least a little. So give yourself a month or 2 of training natty and then hit up the DMZ.
    You can always use some Anadraulic State GTSE to get you fired up for your workouts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBigPR View Post
    TCF-1 could claim the higher percentages based on their Liqua vade technology. For the price, bulk DAA is going to definitely be a win win. I have seen the same effects from each DAA product, when you buy something preformulated you are paying for convenience.

    TCF-1 and Test force I both stand by and are solid products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlexW99 View Post
    Kleen, how long till we hear about the results?
    Well I am going to call and see if they are ready next week but my appointment isn't until the following Thursday they wanted to give the lab 2 weeks to get them back to us. I am sure will be in before then.

    Quote Originally Posted by thundergod View Post
    Votum. The only stupid question is the one that never gets asked.

    But I agree with Biggie here. Not just about the recovery part nor the extra food you have over there to gorge on. There's more to take into consideration.
    Even though the Trifecta stack is mild, it still has some suppression with it. At least a little. So give yourself a month or 2 of training natty and then hit up the DMZ.
    You can always use some Anadraulic State GTSE to get you fired up for your workouts.


    And Biggie is right about you needing a SERM following that DMZ run. Make sure you get one.
    I agree with Big and Thunder, now is not the time for that also once in the states you can use protein powder, and get a coffee grinder and grind up oats. Those are cheap as all get out here. Getting nutrtion does not HAVE to be a major expense. You don't need free food to be able to grow, just a change in your thoughts on nutrition. So if you are going to be home for a long haul I would get back here and then get a proper pct once here then start your DMZ run once you have it. Seems just about any city nowadays has a gym somewhere for 10-15 dollars a month so you can do this without increasing your monetary output too much. Save some money from all that drinking and NO YOU SHOULD NOT DRINK on DMZ. I know you didn't ask but while you are on no drinking. How long are you supposed to be back for?
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    Thanks for not laughing at me buaha I am supposed to be back forever...but I have job offers to become an interrogator instructor in Utah with the BN I am working for now, and I also had an intel contractor ask me for my resume the other day...so who knows

    I will go natty for a month, taking a break from everything will do me good. Fish oil and protein notwithstanding of course
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    Oh I think I have my diet set up for when I get back too...will most likely be nothing but chicken breast, rice, oats, cottage cheese with some veggies thrown in every once and awhile for good measure. Then of course the occasional fast food cheat day on the weekends or something, I will be in college after all, definitely won't drink on super dmz either, dont want to destroy my liver on the first go eh
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    Quote Originally Posted by votum View Post
    Thanks for not laughing at me buaha I am supposed to be back forever...but I have job offers to become an interrogator instructor in Utah with the BN I am working for now, and I also had an intel contractor ask me for my resume the other day...so who knows
    ummmm YES!!!!!!!!!! I finally get to have a lifting partner!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by votum View Post
    Oh I think I have my diet set up for when I get back too...will most likely be nothing but chicken breast, rice, oats, cottage cheese with some veggies thrown in every once and awhile for good measure. Then of course the occasional fast food cheat day on the weekends or something, I will be in college after all, definitely won't drink on super dmz either, dont want to destroy my liver on the first go eh
    Good man, sounds like you have a good idea on the diet except I don't know about veggies thrown into my cottage cheese... that diesn't sound appealing at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Good man, sounds like you have a good idea on the diet except I don't know about veggies thrown into my cottage cheese... that diesn't sound appealing at all.
    I put cottage cheese on my brocolli sometimes... with a little bit of hot sauce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by votum View Post
    I will go natty for a month, taking a break from everything will do me good. Fish oil and protein notwithstanding of course
    Don't forget you can still take some ASGT before your workouts for some added firepower.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    John here where do I forward my addy?
    LOL I lawled in real life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thundergod View Post
    Don't forget you can still take some ASGT before your workouts for some added firepower.
    Damn skippy TG!!! 2 scoops today with Erase beforehand and 25mg Ephedrine, oh man that was a fun workout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Army Guy View Post
    ummmm YES!!!!!!!!!! I finally get to have a lifting partner!!!!!
    Someone needs to lift with the Major; I want to know if his epic intensity is as crazy in person as I perceive it to be in my head!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Army Guy View Post
    ummmm YES!!!!!!!!!! I finally get to have a lifting partner!!!!!
    That would be awesome. My intensity inherently goes up when what I percieved to be a rough set is performed with less difficulty then my workout partner, then I'm like, "U-kay, zay ello to my lil fren!!....." then I go bomb crazy on the next set.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thundergod View Post
    Don't forget you can still take some ASGT before your workouts for some added firepower.
    Might buy some then...do we start resisting ASGT like other pre-wos? I know its got a very different formula than any other pre-wo, been on the stims awhile and think a break will do me good. Not even getting BA tingles anymore lol.


    Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    Damn skippy TG!!! 2 scoops today with Erase beforehand and 25mg Ephedrine, oh man that was a fun workout.
    You must be the guy who broke the 100lb DB thats on display in my gym in half!

    Quote Originally Posted by Army Guy View Post
    ummmm YES!!!!!!!!!! I finally get to have a lifting partner!!!!!

    Buahahah I would either get real big/strong real fast or die trying working out with you Major!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by VolcomX311 View Post
    That would be awesome. My intensity inherently goes up when what I percieved to be a rough set is performed with less difficulty then my workout partner, then I'm like, "U-kay, zay ello to my lil fren!!....." then I go bomb crazy on the next set.
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    Kleen, little off topic, but when you're on super low carbs or when you were contest prepping; do you find your intensity is lessened? I don't have many 2nd winds anymore and my forced reps are close to nothing. I'm attributing this to my low carbs daily and small carb ups. Not gonna lie, I'm starting to look like a freak...but its starting to take its toll on my workouts..TY
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlexW99 View Post
    Kleen, little off topic, but when you're on super low carbs or when you were contest prepping; do you find your intensity is lessened? I don't have many 2nd winds anymore and my forced reps are close to nothing. I'm attributing this to my low carbs daily and small carb ups. Not gonna lie, I'm starting to look like a freak...but its starting to take its toll on my workouts..TY
    Flex ya that is normal try getting some mct oil online and take about 15 grams 45 minutes or so before your workout it masy help. I need to go check your thread for current pics. I bet you are looking amazing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Flex ya that is normal try getting some mct oil online and take about 15 grams 45 minutes or so before your workout it masy help. I need to go check your thread for current pics. I bet you are looking amazing.
    No threads at the moment. I will check into the MCT oil, thanks buddy!
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    ASGT doesn't help? I find if I low carb (not on purpose) ASGT picks me right up
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBigPR View Post
    ASGT doesn't help? I find if I low carb (not on purpose) ASGT picks me right up
    Ive been on a contest diet thats been shreddin me up but my carbs have been so low for so long that its affecting my workouts. My supplementation is doing a great job keeping me focused, motivated; but ultimately, as you know, the diet is the tell-all and low low carbs day in and day out are finally takin their toll. Technically, I've been recomping all year. I've had no 8 week bulks or any significantly high carb up days for a consistent period. It's not gettin me down, I'm lookin better than ever, it is what it is right now!
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    I feel u...low carb is f*ckin tough. the contest diet I'm running is more or a moderate carb approach, which is way better than low carb. I just can't function low carbin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Flex ya that is normal try getting some mct oil online and take about 15 grams 45 minutes or so before your workout it masy help. I need to go check your thread for current pics. I bet you are looking amazing.
    lots of good information, yes on a low carb MCT oil(found at health food stores) gives you energy to train without carbs. Very valuable information for low carbers.

    Does MCt oil have to be taken alone for the energy enhancement or can it be taken with protein(like say a 10 oz chicken breast)?

    Quote Originally Posted by MrBigPR View Post
    I feel u...low carb is f*ckin tough. the contest diet I'm running is more or a moderate carb approach, which is way better than low carb. I just can't function low carbin.
    low carb is tough.

    Its far better to keep a little leaner year round and keep carbs a bit higher, to those of us that are better carb responders.(and for everyone to keep leaner)
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    I like to cook with MCT, so yes u can combine each.
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    Exactly, you are right where you can expect to be in a contest prep. Would love to see some new pics up of you though.
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    Two Weeks into PCT


    Man I had an awesome workout today. I won't even go into it I will just let you all have a look. I have lost some weight about 4 lbs to be exact but next week will be like last the week before last when I had slightly elevated carbs during the week. Although I will say this the definition is coming out a lot so I think more in water and that full time pump that I had on the DMZ I like the way my body looked today and I was just under 201 when I woke up. We will see where I am on Monday, lol! Love this refeed action! Sherbet here I come! Its perfect all sugar and no fat to slow it down. Gonna go get me some here in a bit. For now I am about to icg out on 2 Meaty P'zones and some chocolate desert bread. YUM Gotta love a carb up!!! I am taking a mix of yellow gold, na-rala, and banaba now for my repartitioning. I love the anti fat storage properties of yellow gold aka berberine so it is the base for my mix to keep me lean during carb ups. The Na-Rala is great for getting the fat burned burning for energy, and banaba just because when the carbs get a little higher it is nice to have around. Next I am going to make one from Custom Capsules and that should be nice.

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    135x5 675
    160x5 800
    160x5 800
    162.5x 5 812.5 Felt good all the way through nice to still be pulling strong on some rowing motions. These also activated mu lower back really well so I knew I would be good to go for being warm for dead lifts.

    HS Curls
    45x5 225
    70x5 350
    85x5 425
    95x5 475
    95x5 475 These bad boys got very challenging I was gnashing my teeth to get through the last 2 sets.

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    Warmup I had 90 lbs plus the sled on leg press and did like 50 reps to warm my hips up going deep then widening my stance out and going deaper to get as loos and as much blood into the areas.
    225x8 1800
    315x6 1890
    425x3 1275
    435x2 870
    315x20 6300 Man that was awesome! I went for 425x3 and got it with much trouble. I mean it was a hard pull but not that bad, I figured I had more in me. I got the 3rd one up just above my knees and it pulled me back down. I rested about 3 minutes stripping the bar to 315 and strapping up to do a max rep set. I did not think I would get ANYWHERE NEAR 20 REPS WITH THAT WEIGHT.

    HS Shrugs weight per side
    160x5 800
    180x5 900
    205x5 1025
    230x5 1150
    230x5 1150

    So you see why I was excited about my workout right? I had a great one especially for having lost some weight. Like I said though, I am leaner and have separation in my legs again where they were just stretched out with volume and no doubt water. I have more vascularity and my waist line is slimming back down but I don't feel I am getting small by any means. If anything it is a step up do to improved aesthetics of the muscle and smaller waistline. I am going to hold on posting pics until the end of this run because I want you to be able to compare what happened from beginning and end I may start gaining again towards the end of the pct.
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    wow, 315*20...

    awesome.
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    Sounds great Chris, and loving the workout!!! Have you identified when your first contest might be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBigPR View Post
    wow, 315*20...

    awesome.
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    Deadlifts: 315x20

    Intensity exemplified!!!


    A feat of both strength and endurance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBigPR View Post
    wow, 315*20...

    awesome.
    Thanks!
    Quote Originally Posted by gwls View Post
    Sounds great Chris, and loving the workout!!! Have you identified when your first contest might be?
    Well this coming year depends really on how if my shoulder can hang on long enough to repair itself. If surgery then maybe late next yrear at earliest. If not then in the late Sprin early summer next year maybe.
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    No joke right dere!
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    Deadlifts: 315x20

    Intensity exemplified!!!


    A feat of both strength and endurance.
    Thank you Sirs! I loved it felt so good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Thanks!

    Well this coming year depends really on how if my shoulder can hang on long enough to repair itself. If surgery then maybe late next yrear at earliest. If not then in the late Sprin early summer next year maybe.



    Thank you Sirs! I loved it felt so good.
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    PCT Day 17 2 Week Review


    Well Gentlemen, remember all that weight it was looking like I may have lost. Not so my young friends. As I suspected there was some glut 4 reaction going on with the Super DMZ keeping me able to stay pretty full even when depleting during the week. Well I lost down to 201 last week and was a little concerned even though I was looking really good. Well I weighted myself last night just for grins and was 214 lbs at the end of my carb up and weighed in at 210 lbs this morning. Abs are still visible although distended. I will be doing some outside cardio today, probably similar to what I did last Friday. Jogging about 1-1.5 miles then doing various lengths of sprinting with walking in between as well as stopping for calisthenics along the way.

    Other updates:
    Muscular Feel - I feel much better regarding the pumps and what not. I mentioned to Army last Friday I finally felt like my legs could fully relaxe and separate when i flex them as well as some of my other muscles. I think a lot of the metabolites from the DMZ are gone now. With it went what I like to call the perma-pump and that part was a little sad to see go but the quality of muscle is better.

    Composition - I don't know that I lost much actual LBM from the sarcomere as you can tell my strength is still moving up right now. I feel I have just lost some volume.

    Mood - I find that my mood is getting better daily. I seem to have less agitation for no reason.

    Libido - I have desire for sex in very short spurts but it is more my mind and even then my body doesn't respond immediately to it. Although if the wife brushes against me the wrong way. Things are waking up then without problem. I have actually woken up with some P-Rods so that is always good. However I don't desire sex. My wife is getting released from her surgery restrictions on Thursday so I think I am going to start taking some AI Perform when I get home tonight and keep that going for the next few weeks as a daily supplement and using before we do the do just to make sure everything is "UP" for the occasion.

    Overall Health - Well my blood pressure at the Doctor's was 125/75 so right back down to my normal bp it is usually between 115/70 and 130/80 just depending on how many carbs I have been ingesting it goes up the higher I go with carbs. I feel better, a lot better, well after this food hang over is gone I will.

    Testosterone Recovery - I have been taking the PCT Assist for 2 weeks now and I am feeling pretty good. I know that a SERM helps out here but I am sure that PCT Assist has aided in my recovery. It has a lot of sound ingredients in it and I have noticed especially today that my testicles are really increasing in size. This morning in the shower I reached down and to my surprize the boys were not only full but hanging lower again. I think they are right about normal size now maybe just a tad bit further to go regarding size. I don't assume size means that my levels are up higher but that they are definitely in there chugging away at getting there.

    Suppress-C I really don't know what to say about it regarding feel or anything bit honestly for someone that should be battling with low recovery I have not had much DOMS at all since using it. It spreads really good too. Nice citrus smell and it washes off your hands pretty easily too which is nice. I am really enjoying using this because I really do attribute a lot of my recovery to this. The only other factor is my IGH-1 and Ghenerate which have been a constant even on cycle so the change stopping the DOMS must be the Suppress-C. Perrty impressive already knowing what Ghen and IGH-1 do for recovery from past experience this is a winning combination in PCT.



    Tomorrow should be an amazing day for me the food hangover will be done and I will be full of carbs and ready to smash the weights on some Push Movements. Hopefully the Wide Bench is available tomorrow. I prefer that one for my shoulder right now.

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    Yeah I actually thought I had mentioned it in that post. I have done one show so far and hopefully will have an opportunity to do at least 2 this year if my shoulder holds up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thundergod View Post
    Deadlifts: 315x20

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    My thoughts exactly.
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    Lookin good as usual Kleen! You know I'll be preaching the compound movements!
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    great updates my friend and those DL numbers are just insane!!!!!!!!!!!!!! someone pinch me!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Army Guy View Post
    great updates my friend and those DL numbers are just insane!!!!!!!!!!!!!! someone pinch me!!!
    Yah with fresh legs and chalk I might be able to squeeze out 15, 20 makes me want to puke... even at much lower weight.
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    kLEEN i'm glad to see everything is going accordingly my friend!!! Keep up the work and glad CEL could assist you in your endeavors
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrBigPR View Post
    wow, 315*20...

    awesome.
    Hell yea,

    Thats some serious volume on deads
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    Chris, I really appreciate it when you do my best DL weight 20 freaking times!!!!! Truly impressive work my friend .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaelael View Post
    kLEEN i'm glad to see everything is going accordingly my friend!!! Keep up the work and glad CEL could assist you in your endeavors
    Thanks Aaelael! I really appreciate the hook up. Like I said the DOMS are retreating now so I know the stuff is working and I think I may even gain back what little I lost by the end of the PCT.

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    Lookin good as usual Kleen! You know I'll be preaching the compound movements!
    Hey glad to have you in here Neck. I love me some compound movements. Having to stick to a lot of machines right now for the shoulder but hey at least I am able to keep on trucking with them and still move some weight.
    Quote Originally Posted by Army Guy View Post
    great updates my friend and those DL numbers are just insane!!!!!!!!!!!!!! someone pinch me!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Yah with fresh legs and chalk I might be able to squeeze out 15, 20 makes me want to puke... even at much lower weight.
    Quote Originally Posted by edwitt View Post
    Hell yea,

    Thats some serious volume on deads
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    Chris, I really appreciate it when you do my best DL weight 20 freaking times!!!!! Truly impressive work my friend .
    I have to say it was an EPIC moment for me. I really am just now getting into trying to move much weight on this lift and I have a feeling my weight is going to go up on this lift pretty quickly.

    On another note my buddy Bryan the big guy I tell you all about came by the house today and of course I am at home so I just don't have a shirt on. He sees me stand up to walk him out and he was like damn Tucker, you got big man like you got bumpy everywhere big. Said my muscles just stuck out more and thicker everywhere. Was nice to hear from someone who knows just seeing you for the first time without a shirt since before I hit the DMZ.
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