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  1. Quote Originally Posted by MrBigPR View Post
    why would he move to Canada if ur in Utah?
    that is where Doug's new sweet gym is!!!
    Working on living


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Army Guy View Post
    that is where Doug's new sweet gym is!!!
    Marshes gym actually, my fanchise opportunity is still a few years off. If anybody wants to move up here and help me run it they will be welcome.

    This is the current gym in Ottawa, I wish I still lived there... my franchise would be in Montreal.. dare to dream.

    http://www.marshallshouse.com/
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  3. Dang Chris I didnt notice your after pics for the DMZ...looking damn good there, I know its only been a few days, but how much of that weight have you kept on?

  4. Quote Originally Posted by Army Guy View Post
    those are still some great dead numbers my friend!!! man I need you to be my lifting coach... how about you and move to Canada and live in DW's new gym???? well a guy can dream can't he???
    I will be joining you all... tisk tisk for forgetting Major!
    If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).

  5. Big, that makes sense regarding the pumps. I was hoping they would go away really fast but as you said they lessen in intensity with each day and if I use more taurine again probably would stop altogether.

    Quote Originally Posted by Army Guy View Post
    that is where Doug's new sweet gym is!!!
    Yeah, well where it will be.
    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Marshes gym actually, my fanchise opportunity is still a few years off. If anybody wants to move up here and help me run it they will be welcome.

    This is the current gym in Ottawa, I wish I still lived there... my franchise would be in Montreal.. dare to dream.

    http://www.marshallshouse.com/
    Nice spot has what you need and reasonable prices for what looks to be almost set up for one on one training?

    Quote Originally Posted by votum View Post
    Dang Chris I didnt notice your after pics for the DMZ...looking damn good there, I know its only been a few days, but how much of that weight have you kept on?
    Honestly I think I am probably about 206 right now which is up 1.5 lbs. I may be wrong I won't weigh myself until Saturday. However I am still very big and pretty full. I don't seem to have lost any size. I may not be quite as lean but I am not sure. I have been actively adjusting carbs day by day. This is keeping the muscle full and I am hoping no real depletion will assist in no real muscle loss. Right now. Playing the insulin game. It is the one anabolic hormone I can control that my body has easy access too. So it is my anabolic activator right now. Just keeping carbs higher on training days and lower on cardio only days. I will still refeed this weekend too just not as intensely.
    Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    I will be joining you all... tisk tisk for forgetting Major!
    As long as we keep all the rules I mentioned for the gym that one time at band camp...
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Nice spot has what you need and reasonable prices for what looks to be almost set up for one on one training?
    Yah basically you get the attention you need, not exactly one on one but close, not everybody needs one on one all the time.
  7. Now they all start saying it...


    LMAO I was wondering where everyone was when I was on, you know when everyone asking man what are you on. Nobody asked me the whole time I was on. Past 3 days I have been told by everybody "Wow Man you are really bulking up." and "Man you are getting big." One lady told me I was "getting very muscle-ee." When someone makes up a word to describe your growth you know you have put on some size. LOL
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Yah basically you get the attention you need, not exactly one on one but close, not everybody needs one on one all the time.
    I would venture to say most people do not. However it would be nice to need to bench and be able to ask someone there to spot you without having a personal training package shoved down your throat. I remember when i first worked in a gym we were there to help the members, spot them, assist them answer questions. Then it bacame we could not do that without trying to sell a PT package then we couldn't spot with out trying to sell. Then people would avoid us because they didn't want to get pitched. Have a barbell crushing them and be like nah I am okay I don't need a spot.
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  9. Talking


    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    LMAO I was wondering where everyone was when I was on, you know when everyone asking man what are you on. Nobody asked me the whole time I was on. Past 3 days I have been told by everybody "Wow Man you are really bulking up." and "Man you are getting big." One lady told me I was "getting very muscle-ee." When someone makes up a word to describe your growth you know you have put on some size. LOL
    hahha isn't that funny how that works!!! hahah It's soooo funy how these things work. .. I always like to were close that don't reveal much of my physique but when i do everybody always asks me. . .DAM man i didn't think you were that big. . .bla bla bla. .. hahah and when you cycle its even betta muhaha!!
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by Aaelael View Post
    hahha isn't that funny how that works!!! hahah It's soooo funy how these things work. .. I always like to were close that don't reveal much of my physique but when i do everybody always asks me. . .DAM man i didn't think you were that big. . .bla bla bla. .. hahah and when you cycle its even betta muhaha!!
    I am a meat head through and through when it comes to my clothes. Wife beater and tank tops are the most abundant clothes items you will find at my house. Heck those are even stripped off as soon as I get in the door. Not a fan of clothing...

    However now I find myself putting on shirts and saying nope, that is too tight. I can't wear that. I will look like a douche. Many of my tshirts fit as they should semi tight on shoulders, cuff of arms are semi tight and waist just hanging loosely. However my shoulders, chest and back grew so much that some just don't fit right in the shoulders anymore or are stretched a little too tight across the back. I look like I put on my little brothers shirt or something. I used to look for the shirt that made me look the most built but then I came to the realization about a year or two ago I don't need to do that anymore. I look built in all my clothes. Interesting thing is the comments have come while I am in my baggiest clothing. I have two XL work shirts that are huge for XL's and kind of swallow me and that is what I was wearing when people have been noticing lately.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    However my shoulders, chest and back grew so much that some just don't fit right in the shoulders anymore or are stretched a little too tight across the back. I look like I put on my little brothers shirt or something. I used to look for the shirt that made me look the most built but then I came to the realization about a year or two ago I don't need to do that anymore. I look built in all my clothes. Interesting thing is the comments have come while I am in my baggiest clothing. I have two XL work shirts that are huge for XL's and kind of swallow me and that is what I was wearing when people have been noticing lately.
    Tis a good problem to have!!

  12. Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    I will be joining you all... tisk tisk for forgetting Major!
    sorry Fin... took so long to beg forgiveness because I was beating myself over and over and just now became conscious ... NOTHING BUT LOVE FOR AQUATIC MAN!!!
    Working on living
  13. Day 8 - I am HYUGE!


    Well we can all blame VOTUM for the info I am about to bestow upon you. I was going to wait until Saturday but since I am starting to ramp up carbs and VOTUM asked how much I lost I figured let me check while fasted in the morning. I stepped on the scale this morning at a solid looking 207.5 lbs. So I have gained 3 lbs but I would be inclined to say this is water and glycogen from adding in carbs and not a real muscle increase. However I think my plan of adding in moderate carb intake is working well so far. I still have my abs as well, I am not putting to many carbs in just enough to keep me relatively full without messing up my waist line. I will probably do something along the lines of 400 grams of carbs today and 400 tomorrow then 200 on Sunday. If I notice on Saturday I am spilling over I may adjust my intake.

    Either way I am 8 days in on this PCT and so far so good. If I haven't lost much already I probably won't. As I said my testes are already getting bigger. I feel more confident again and not so blah. So things are only going to get better from here.

    I am 3 days into the PCT Assist and I am not sure what it is doing. As I said I am recovering well but not sure if it has had time to cause any effect or not. I am taking as bottle says 3 in AM and 3 8-12 hours later. I like that this product has Forskolin in it that will also help with keeping fat being used for energy. Should go great alongside the Cortisol Suppression from Suppress C which I will be starting tomorrow.
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  14. Kleen you must look like a brick s**t house right now man; remind me not to get on your bad side! Good to hear the boys are back in town so to speak and back quickly as well considering what you took. I bet you will dry out nicely with the Suppress-C even with the additional carbs. I am staying lean and dry with the Erase and I added more carbs in as well.
    If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).
  15. Talking


    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Well we can all blame VOTUM for the info I am about to bestow upon you. I was going to wait until Saturday but since I am starting to ramp up carbs and VOTUM asked how much I lost I figured let me check while fasted in the morning. I stepped on the scale this morning at a solid looking 207.5 lbs. So I have gained 3 lbs but I would be inclined to say this is water and glycogen from adding in carbs and not a real muscle increase. However I think my plan of adding in moderate carb intake is working well so far. I still have my abs as well, I am not putting to many carbs in just enough to keep me relatively full without messing up my waist line. I will probably do something along the lines of 400 grams of carbs today and 400 tomorrow then 200 on Sunday. If I notice on Saturday I am spilling over I may adjust my intake.

    Either way I am 8 days in on this PCT and so far so good. If I haven't lost much already I probably won't. As I said my testes are already getting bigger. I feel more confident again and not so blah. So things are only going to get better from here.

    I am 3 days into the PCT Assist and I am not sure what it is doing. As I said I am recovering well but not sure if it has had time to cause any effect or not. I am taking as bottle says 3 in AM and 3 8-12 hours later. I like that this product has Forskolin in it that will also help with keeping fat being used for energy. Should go great alongside the Cortisol Suppression from Suppress C which I will be starting tomorrow.
    Woooo hoooo!! I'm dosing my suppress-c as well. . wait for the magic to happen mang!!! FEEL THE RUSH!! MUHAHAHA!! glad to see C.E.L. could follow through for you Kleen
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  16. Quote Originally Posted by Tomahawk88 View Post
    Hmm Im going to try ASGT staggered with Jack3d now. Really love the ASGT but Jack3d not so much.
    I agree with this 100%, once my stomach got use to ASGT it was totally above and beyond Jack3d. that stuff just had a chemical/poison feeling to it in my body, yuck

  17. Quote Originally Posted by goonstopher View Post
    I agree with this 100%, once my stomach got use to ASGT it was totally above and beyond Jack3d. that stuff just had a chemical/poison feeling to it in my body, yuck
    Opposite for me Jacked feels so clean to me.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    Kleen you must look like a brick s**t house right now man; remind me not to get on your bad side! Good to hear the boys are back in town so to speak and back quickly as well considering what you took. I bet you will dry out nicely with the Suppress-C even with the additional carbs. I am staying lean and dry with the Erase and I added more carbs in as well.
    That is my hope. I think so but I am going to have to reintroduce the Formadrol for an AI I think.
    Quote Originally Posted by Aaelael View Post
    Woooo hoooo!! I'm dosing my suppress-c as well. . wait for the magic to happen mang!!! FEEL THE RUSH!! MUHAHAHA!! glad to see C.E.L. could follow through for you Kleen
    No doubt! Very happy. I have never taken a producut PURELY for Cortisol so I am curious to see how it works out. I was looking at the ingredient profile on PCT Assist and I don't see an IA in there or did I miss it? If not then I will add Formadrol back into the equation for an AI.

    Quote Originally Posted by goonstopher View Post
    I agree with this 100%, once my stomach got use to ASGT it was totally above and beyond Jack3d. that stuff just had a chemical/poison feeling to it in my body, yuck
    I love me some of both.
    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Opposite for me Jacked feels so clean to me.
    Jack3d has a very clean feel to me as well. I think Geranium does not sit well with some people though. When i take Jack3d I feel Jack3d, just so much energy I don't know what to do with it. I focus on my workout and as long as I stay in the game I make awesome use of that powerful stim effect and the high amounts of BA in it. However when I use ASGT i get a focused aggression, with a slight energy boost. With both of them I have that off the chain aggression and focus coupled with the Jack3d energy and goodies for a nice pump and I am in Gym Heaven. Focused, intense, and tired not in my vocabulary for at least 3-4 hours.
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    That is my hope. I think so but I am going to have to reintroduce the Formadrol for an AI I think.

    No doubt! Very happy. I have never taken a producut PURELY for Cortisol so I am curious to see how it works out. I was looking at the ingredient profile on PCT Assist and I don't see an IA in there or did I miss it? If not then I will add Formadrol back into the equation for an AI.


    I love me some of both.

    Jack3d has a very clean feel to me as well. I think Geranium does not sit well with some people though. When i take Jack3d I feel Jack3d, just so much energy I don't know what to do with it. I focus on my workout and as long as I stay in the game I make awesome use of that powerful stim effect and the high amounts of BA in it. However when I use ASGT i get a focused aggression, with a slight energy boost. With both of them I have that off the chain aggression and focus coupled with the Jack3d energy and goodies for a nice pump and I am in Gym Heaven. Focused, intense, and tired not in my vocabulary for at least 3-4 hours.
    Motivate goes well with Jacked for focus... I use 2 scoops of Jacked and 2 motivate. My resistance to stim has come a long way...

  20. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Motivate goes well with Jacked for focus... I use 2 scoops of Jacked and 2 motivate. My resistance to stim has come a long way...
    Wow, I would be flying if I took two motivate and 2 scoops jacked. I would probably lose my intra-drink all over the floor if an intense workout. RALPH!!!
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Wow, I would be flying if I took two motivate and 2 scoops jacked. I would probably lose my intra-drink all over the floor if an intense workout. RALPH!!!
    I think the long runs of OEP changed my tolerance. Motivate is milder than Jacked though.

  22. the new jack3d seems like a dud...dosed 2 scoops 15 min go and not a thing so far.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    I think the long runs of OEP changed my tolerance. Motivate is milder than Jacked though.
    I ran into a similar problem after running OEP for 2 months but I went off of all stims (even pre-workouts) and ran a bottle of reset A.D. and im back to normal when it comes to sensitivity.

    Im thinking about running Reset A.D. as a staple when I plan on running stims for a long time since it seems to do me a lot of good.
    DISCLAIMER: Anything that I post on this forum should not be taken as medical advice. Consult your doctor before starting new diets, supplements, training protocols, and/or if you have any concerns about your health.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by TheOne310 View Post
    the new jack3d seems like a dud...dosed 2 scoops 15 min go and not a thing so far.
    Not for me it's brilliant...

  25. Quote Originally Posted by GoHardOrGoHme View Post
    I ran into a similar problem after running OEP for 2 months but I went off of all stims (even pre-workouts) and ran a bottle of reset A.D. and im back to normal when it comes to sensitivity.

    Im thinking about running Reset A.D. as a staple when I plan on running stims for a long time since it seems to do me a lot of good.
    I'm thinking of tapering off stims and running humanofort and theanine to help

  26. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Not for me it's brilliant...
    odd. meh, I knew it was too good to be true for the new jack3d to taste so damn good. Still nothing...

  27. Quote Originally Posted by TheOne310 View Post
    odd. meh, I knew it was too good to be true for the new jack3d to taste so damn good. Still nothing...
    I know this is going to sound very "Reppish" but did you happen to shake up the canister? I remember when I was on with them some people ran into that issue and it has something to do with the finer powders having the energy kick in them settling to the bottom of the canister. Stirring the stuff up before scooping, or shaking the container before opening seemed to correct that issue. Worth a shot since you already own it.
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  28. Yeah I taper off of them every month or two except for my pre workouts. However going off of other thermos and what not allows me to keep my sensitivity in a good range. I also don't typically up my dose of pre workout just to see how it would feel being stronger. If I am dragging ass I take more because I know more is needed to get me to that point but otherwise I intentionally keep my doses the same.
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  29. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    I know this is going to sound very "Reppish" but did you happen to shake up the canister? I remember when I was on with them some people ran into that issue and it has something to do with the finer powders having the energy kick in them settling to the bottom of the canister. Stirring the stuff up before scooping, or shaking the container before opening seemed to correct that issue. Worth a shot since you already own it.
    I did notice there is a mixture of some clumps and a fine powder, assumed it was some precipitated powder. I'll mix it up thanks Kleen!
  30. Day 9 Push Day minus legs


    Well first off I got to the gym and did my upper body push stuff went to put on my TK's and didn't have them. My shoulders were pretty beat to so I decided to just go to the gym tomorrow fresh and hit about 6 - 8 sets of squats from 3-6 reps with a normal tempo and see what I can do with them. I will probably do them below parallel but not rock bottom.

    So here is the workout from today.

    HS Wide Chest Press - 90x5, 135x5, 135x5, 145x5, 150x5, 150x5 got into a zone and did an extra set, I didn't realize until after I went to write it down I had done an extra one. I started much heavier on the first two sets this time in an effort to keep top end numbers from climbing to high.

    HS Shoulder Press - 70x5, 100x5, 110x5, 110x5, 110x5 by the final set this had me really pushing. I will start my second set at 110 and see if I can finish next time before going up higher. Again, I started much heavier on the first two sets this time in an effort to keep top end numbers from climbing to high.

    Dips BWx5 shoulders were feeling this a bit so opted for cable triceps extensions.
    Cable Triceps Extensions - 80x6, 140x5, 150x5, 160x5, 160x5, man with the slower reps and locking my elbows in and not letting them move I got such crazy contraction it almost hurt it was a deliciously painful contraction.

    I am weighing in now at about 210, carbing up is fun. LOL I am slowing down a bit and will eat my big breakfast tomorrow then done with the carb up and back to normal maybe on medium carb meal in the afternoon.

    Quote Originally Posted by TheOne310 View Post
    I did notice there is a mixture of some clumps and a fine powder, assumed it was some precipitated powder. I'll mix it up thanks Kleen!
    Cool that sounds like it might be the issue let us know it is always good to learn stuff about using this stuff the most effective way.
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