KLEEN - The PCT Plan w/ CEL PCT Assist & Suppress C (Sponsored)

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  1. FWIW......I've used Clomid many times in PCT's and have never experienced the emotional issues nor the blurred vision reported by others. I refuse to experience "placebo" side effects just because I read of others who lived through them. It's like people read them and expect to endure them.
    I REFUSE!!!!
    THE PAIN YOU ENDURE TODAY WILL PRODUCE THE POWER YOU ENJOY TOMORROW!!

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  2. Quote Originally Posted by thundergod View Post
    FWIW......I've used Clomid many times in PCT's and have never experienced the emotional issues nor the blurred vision reported by others. I refuse to experience "placebo" side effects just because I read of others who lived through them. It's like people read them and expect to endure them.
    I REFUSE!!!!
    Well u r a Thunder God of course u didnt feel those silly mortal human emotions of weakness

  3. Quote Originally Posted by Tomahawk88 View Post
    Well u r a Thunder God of course u didnt feel those silly mortal human emotions of weakness
    True dat.

    An ancient rune for you my young brother.

    Achselzucken davon, dass Ihnen/schwach wird erkrankt.
    Hängen Sie von Ihrer eigenen Kraft ab.

    Shrug off whatever sickens/weakens you.
    Depend upon your own strength.


    AMEN.

    Even though we are more than we perceive ourselves to be, we are experiencing only what we believe.

    Believe More!!!
    THE PAIN YOU ENDURE TODAY WILL PRODUCE THE POWER YOU ENJOY TOMORROW!!

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  4. Quote Originally Posted by thundergod View Post
    True dat.

    An ancient rune for you my young brother.

    Achselzucken davon, dass Ihnen/schwach wird erkrankt.
    Hängen Sie von Ihrer eigenen Kraft ab.

    Shrug off whatever sickens/weakens you.
    Depend upon your own strength.


    AMEN.

    Even though we are more than we perceive ourselves to be, we are experiencing only what we believe.

    Believe More!!!
    Amen to that my wise friend.

    I swear I only know my true strength while on cycle and I just have the balls to throw crazy amounts of weight on the bar.
  5. Day 6 Rest / Low intensity cardio


    Well I am definitely already starting to bounce back a little. Not like I can feel more testosterone or anything but the past two days my testes are fuller. Today more noticeably than yesterday. So I am pretty confident things are happening down there already. I know it will take a bit of time for them to produce enough to get me into regular levels but at least there is evidence of the bounce back already occurring. Right now using 4 Formadrol a night and 1 T911 in the morning while waiting on the PCT Assist to arrive.


    Quote Originally Posted by thundergod View Post
    FWIW......I've used Clomid many times in PCT's and have never experienced the emotional issues nor the blurred vision reported by others. I refuse to experience "placebo" side effects just because I read of others who lived through them. It's like people read them and expect to endure them.
    I REFUSE!!!!
    Yeah, I hear ya a lot of people will feel stuff automatically by suggestion. I am giving it a fair shake and don't feel anything related to it. For me my mood change stemmed from low test levels after feeling supercharged on DMZ. Bottom line when test is low mood is not going to be as good. I don't know how much it has to do with the Clomid for most but if you are looking for a drop in mood it won't be hard to find. We all know testosterone is mood elevating. Without it not so elevated doesn't mean you are necessarily moody from the clomid. However the science reflects reasoning on this particular side but I don't think as many people are effected by it as claim to be. Kind of like with Roid Rage. A lot of guys use a cycle as an excuse to act like an ass looking to scape goat it is rage. Friggin ridiculous.
    Quote Originally Posted by Tomahawk88 View Post
    Well u r a Thunder God of course u didnt feel those silly mortal human emotions of weakness
    That was my first thought! LOL Same with EdWitt that guy can't catch a negative side effect regardless of compound. LOL
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    That was my first thought! LOL Same with EdWitt that guy can't catch a negative side effect regardless of compound. LOL
    Edwitt and I joke about having the Keith Richards gene.
    THE PAIN YOU ENDURE TODAY WILL PRODUCE THE POWER YOU ENJOY TOMORROW!!

    "Ye are gods, and all of you are children of the most High."

  7. I'm in...and dam brotha you blew up!! Serious muscle gain comparing your pre and post pictures.

    Staying tuned to see how PCT treats you!
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  8. Glad you guys are here. Guess what guys? CEL has landed at the Tucker house! I am going to be starting the pct assist tonight and will probably start the Suppress C on Friday it will be one week into pct at that point.
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    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/256911-kleen-cuts-back.html

  9. All meatheadz in here! Love it..

  10. curious on your suppress C results.
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  11. Kleen, when i got a package from usplabs, there was a booklet in there and guess who was on the front of it? LOL. Looking beastly bro

  12. damn, i thought i already subbed...Keep up the good work kleen!
    Come join me on my Olympus goodie run (Ostarine / Ep1c / Str3ngth / Sup3r PCT)

  13. damn you kleen, where was my invite????? lol

    SUBBED!!
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by MrBigPR View Post
    curious on your suppress C results.
    x2..........
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by FlexW99 View Post
    All meatheadz in here! Love it..
    Hoo-RAH!!!!!
    Quote Originally Posted by MrBigPR View Post
    curious on your suppress C results.
    Definitely me too. I have only heard good things on it so pretty excited.
    Quote Originally Posted by BarbellBeast View Post
    Kleen, when i got a package from usplabs, there was a booklet in there and guess who was on the front of it? LOL. Looking beastly bro
    Thank you Sir. I can't wait to see what I look like next time I am that lean. I should easily be 10 lbs heavier.
    Quote Originally Posted by punthra View Post
    damn, i thought i already subbed...Keep up the good work kleen!
    Probably subbed to the log in between logs. LOL

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernCharm View Post
    damn you kleen, where was my invite????? lol

    SUBBED!!
    Crap he found me.... LOL I know I was horrible about invites on this one.

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernCharm View Post
    x2..........
    Yeah I think it will help me retain some of this extra muscle while helping me stay lean too.
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  16. Day 7 Pull Day


    Pull Day 3-0-1 tempo

    Got up took 8 squirts ghenerate, and an IGH-1 and 1 heaping scoop of ASGT and 1.5 scoops Jack3d and 3 PCT Assist

    HS High Rows - 70x5, 90x5, 115x5, 135x5, 135x5 - I could have pulled more but I noticed a little discomfort on one of the reps with 135 per side and decided to stay there and be more deliberate at that weight.

    Cable Rows Neutral Grip - 135x5, 150x5, 150x5, 165x5, 165x5 not really to heavy at all but was working on contraction this range of motion is the one I have to be most careful on right now.

    Preacher Curls 95x5, 100x5, 105x5, 110x5, 115x5 going to start about 10 lbs heavier next time.

    Deadlifts - 225x5, 275x5, 315x5, 335x5, 335x0, 335x1 - Man doing the 3 second negatives on this one kicked my ass. I couldn’t even finish up the last set. I went for 335 the last set and failed had to muster again and got rep. My back pumped up a bit. I am still having some residual pumps, I got them in my calves during cardio the last 2 times and then at the end of my deads. However not as bad and I haven’t been taking the taurine except for today. Which was a good thing or that pump would have probably gotten out of hand.

    I am still feeling strong, and looking big. I seem to be holding on to size pretty well and the extra carbs are helping with that a bit. Keeping a vigilant eye on my abdomen though as I must remain lean. Only sides left from the run as far as I can tell is a little tendency to pump in the back and calves. My shoulder is still giving me trouble but I have a feeling that is just going to be the case for a little bit. I am working around it and it is still manageable.
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  17. yea those pumps are a killer man. I was crippled about a weak after finishing SD into PCT from running! legs were pumped as well. they should subside as each day passes, more than likely there are still some metabolites entrenched in the muscle. keep taking that taurine and have heat wraps on standby.
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  18. those are still some great dead numbers my friend!!! man I need you to be my lifting coach... how about you and move to Canada and live in DW's new gym???? well a guy can dream can't he???
    Working on living

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Army Guy View Post
    those are still some great dead numbers my friend!!! man I need you to be my lifting coach... how about you and move to Canada and live in DW's new gym???? well a guy can dream can't he???
    why would he move to Canada if ur in Utah?
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by MrBigPR View Post
    why would he move to Canada if ur in Utah?
    that is where Doug's new sweet gym is!!!
    Working on living

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Army Guy View Post
    that is where Doug's new sweet gym is!!!
    Marshes gym actually, my fanchise opportunity is still a few years off. If anybody wants to move up here and help me run it they will be welcome.

    This is the current gym in Ottawa, I wish I still lived there... my franchise would be in Montreal.. dare to dream.

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  22. Dang Chris I didnt notice your after pics for the DMZ...looking damn good there, I know its only been a few days, but how much of that weight have you kept on?

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Army Guy View Post
    those are still some great dead numbers my friend!!! man I need you to be my lifting coach... how about you and move to Canada and live in DW's new gym???? well a guy can dream can't he???
    I will be joining you all... tisk tisk for forgetting Major!
    If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).

  24. Big, that makes sense regarding the pumps. I was hoping they would go away really fast but as you said they lessen in intensity with each day and if I use more taurine again probably would stop altogether.

    Quote Originally Posted by Army Guy View Post
    that is where Doug's new sweet gym is!!!
    Yeah, well where it will be.
    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Marshes gym actually, my fanchise opportunity is still a few years off. If anybody wants to move up here and help me run it they will be welcome.

    This is the current gym in Ottawa, I wish I still lived there... my franchise would be in Montreal.. dare to dream.

    http://www.marshallshouse.com/
    Nice spot has what you need and reasonable prices for what looks to be almost set up for one on one training?

    Quote Originally Posted by votum View Post
    Dang Chris I didnt notice your after pics for the DMZ...looking damn good there, I know its only been a few days, but how much of that weight have you kept on?
    Honestly I think I am probably about 206 right now which is up 1.5 lbs. I may be wrong I won't weigh myself until Saturday. However I am still very big and pretty full. I don't seem to have lost any size. I may not be quite as lean but I am not sure. I have been actively adjusting carbs day by day. This is keeping the muscle full and I am hoping no real depletion will assist in no real muscle loss. Right now. Playing the insulin game. It is the one anabolic hormone I can control that my body has easy access too. So it is my anabolic activator right now. Just keeping carbs higher on training days and lower on cardio only days. I will still refeed this weekend too just not as intensely.
    Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    I will be joining you all... tisk tisk for forgetting Major!
    As long as we keep all the rules I mentioned for the gym that one time at band camp...
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Nice spot has what you need and reasonable prices for what looks to be almost set up for one on one training?
    Yah basically you get the attention you need, not exactly one on one but close, not everybody needs one on one all the time.
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  26. Now they all start saying it...


    LMAO I was wondering where everyone was when I was on, you know when everyone asking man what are you on. Nobody asked me the whole time I was on. Past 3 days I have been told by everybody "Wow Man you are really bulking up." and "Man you are getting big." One lady told me I was "getting very muscle-ee." When someone makes up a word to describe your growth you know you have put on some size. LOL
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  27. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Yah basically you get the attention you need, not exactly one on one but close, not everybody needs one on one all the time.
    I would venture to say most people do not. However it would be nice to need to bench and be able to ask someone there to spot you without having a personal training package shoved down your throat. I remember when i first worked in a gym we were there to help the members, spot them, assist them answer questions. Then it bacame we could not do that without trying to sell a PT package then we couldn't spot with out trying to sell. Then people would avoid us because they didn't want to get pitched. Have a barbell crushing them and be like nah I am okay I don't need a spot.
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  28. Talking


    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    LMAO I was wondering where everyone was when I was on, you know when everyone asking man what are you on. Nobody asked me the whole time I was on. Past 3 days I have been told by everybody "Wow Man you are really bulking up." and "Man you are getting big." One lady told me I was "getting very muscle-ee." When someone makes up a word to describe your growth you know you have put on some size. LOL
    hahha isn't that funny how that works!!! hahah It's soooo funy how these things work. .. I always like to were close that don't reveal much of my physique but when i do everybody always asks me. . .DAM man i didn't think you were that big. . .bla bla bla. .. hahah and when you cycle its even betta muhaha!!
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  29. Quote Originally Posted by Aaelael View Post
    hahha isn't that funny how that works!!! hahah It's soooo funy how these things work. .. I always like to were close that don't reveal much of my physique but when i do everybody always asks me. . .DAM man i didn't think you were that big. . .bla bla bla. .. hahah and when you cycle its even betta muhaha!!
    I am a meat head through and through when it comes to my clothes. Wife beater and tank tops are the most abundant clothes items you will find at my house. Heck those are even stripped off as soon as I get in the door. Not a fan of clothing...

    However now I find myself putting on shirts and saying nope, that is too tight. I can't wear that. I will look like a douche. Many of my tshirts fit as they should semi tight on shoulders, cuff of arms are semi tight and waist just hanging loosely. However my shoulders, chest and back grew so much that some just don't fit right in the shoulders anymore or are stretched a little too tight across the back. I look like I put on my little brothers shirt or something. I used to look for the shirt that made me look the most built but then I came to the realization about a year or two ago I don't need to do that anymore. I look built in all my clothes. Interesting thing is the comments have come while I am in my baggiest clothing. I have two XL work shirts that are huge for XL's and kind of swallow me and that is what I was wearing when people have been noticing lately.
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    However my shoulders, chest and back grew so much that some just don't fit right in the shoulders anymore or are stretched a little too tight across the back. I look like I put on my little brothers shirt or something. I used to look for the shirt that made me look the most built but then I came to the realization about a year or two ago I don't need to do that anymore. I look built in all my clothes. Interesting thing is the comments have come while I am in my baggiest clothing. I have two XL work shirts that are huge for XL's and kind of swallow me and that is what I was wearing when people have been noticing lately.
    Tis a good problem to have!!

  31. Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    I will be joining you all... tisk tisk for forgetting Major!
    sorry Fin... took so long to beg forgiveness because I was beating myself over and over and just now became conscious ... NOTHING BUT LOVE FOR AQUATIC MAN!!!
    Working on living
  32. Day 8 - I am HYUGE!


    Well we can all blame VOTUM for the info I am about to bestow upon you. I was going to wait until Saturday but since I am starting to ramp up carbs and VOTUM asked how much I lost I figured let me check while fasted in the morning. I stepped on the scale this morning at a solid looking 207.5 lbs. So I have gained 3 lbs but I would be inclined to say this is water and glycogen from adding in carbs and not a real muscle increase. However I think my plan of adding in moderate carb intake is working well so far. I still have my abs as well, I am not putting to many carbs in just enough to keep me relatively full without messing up my waist line. I will probably do something along the lines of 400 grams of carbs today and 400 tomorrow then 200 on Sunday. If I notice on Saturday I am spilling over I may adjust my intake.

    Either way I am 8 days in on this PCT and so far so good. If I haven't lost much already I probably won't. As I said my testes are already getting bigger. I feel more confident again and not so blah. So things are only going to get better from here.

    I am 3 days into the PCT Assist and I am not sure what it is doing. As I said I am recovering well but not sure if it has had time to cause any effect or not. I am taking as bottle says 3 in AM and 3 8-12 hours later. I like that this product has Forskolin in it that will also help with keeping fat being used for energy. Should go great alongside the Cortisol Suppression from Suppress C which I will be starting tomorrow.
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Log:
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/256911-kleen-cuts-back.html

  33. Kleen you must look like a brick s**t house right now man; remind me not to get on your bad side! Good to hear the boys are back in town so to speak and back quickly as well considering what you took. I bet you will dry out nicely with the Suppress-C even with the additional carbs. I am staying lean and dry with the Erase and I added more carbs in as well.
    If my direct and cynical approach bothers you, just ignore it. I'm just saying what you need to hear ;).
  34. Talking


    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Well we can all blame VOTUM for the info I am about to bestow upon you. I was going to wait until Saturday but since I am starting to ramp up carbs and VOTUM asked how much I lost I figured let me check while fasted in the morning. I stepped on the scale this morning at a solid looking 207.5 lbs. So I have gained 3 lbs but I would be inclined to say this is water and glycogen from adding in carbs and not a real muscle increase. However I think my plan of adding in moderate carb intake is working well so far. I still have my abs as well, I am not putting to many carbs in just enough to keep me relatively full without messing up my waist line. I will probably do something along the lines of 400 grams of carbs today and 400 tomorrow then 200 on Sunday. If I notice on Saturday I am spilling over I may adjust my intake.

    Either way I am 8 days in on this PCT and so far so good. If I haven't lost much already I probably won't. As I said my testes are already getting bigger. I feel more confident again and not so blah. So things are only going to get better from here.

    I am 3 days into the PCT Assist and I am not sure what it is doing. As I said I am recovering well but not sure if it has had time to cause any effect or not. I am taking as bottle says 3 in AM and 3 8-12 hours later. I like that this product has Forskolin in it that will also help with keeping fat being used for energy. Should go great alongside the Cortisol Suppression from Suppress C which I will be starting tomorrow.
    Woooo hoooo!! I'm dosing my suppress-c as well. . wait for the magic to happen mang!!! FEEL THE RUSH!! MUHAHAHA!! glad to see C.E.L. could follow through for you Kleen
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  35. Quote Originally Posted by Tomahawk88 View Post
    Hmm Im going to try ASGT staggered with Jack3d now. Really love the ASGT but Jack3d not so much.
    I agree with this 100%, once my stomach got use to ASGT it was totally above and beyond Jack3d. that stuff just had a chemical/poison feeling to it in my body, yuck

  36. Quote Originally Posted by goonstopher View Post
    I agree with this 100%, once my stomach got use to ASGT it was totally above and beyond Jack3d. that stuff just had a chemical/poison feeling to it in my body, yuck
    Opposite for me Jacked feels so clean to me.
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  37. Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    Kleen you must look like a brick s**t house right now man; remind me not to get on your bad side! Good to hear the boys are back in town so to speak and back quickly as well considering what you took. I bet you will dry out nicely with the Suppress-C even with the additional carbs. I am staying lean and dry with the Erase and I added more carbs in as well.
    That is my hope. I think so but I am going to have to reintroduce the Formadrol for an AI I think.
    Quote Originally Posted by Aaelael View Post
    Woooo hoooo!! I'm dosing my suppress-c as well. . wait for the magic to happen mang!!! FEEL THE RUSH!! MUHAHAHA!! glad to see C.E.L. could follow through for you Kleen
    No doubt! Very happy. I have never taken a producut PURELY for Cortisol so I am curious to see how it works out. I was looking at the ingredient profile on PCT Assist and I don't see an IA in there or did I miss it? If not then I will add Formadrol back into the equation for an AI.

    Quote Originally Posted by goonstopher View Post
    I agree with this 100%, once my stomach got use to ASGT it was totally above and beyond Jack3d. that stuff just had a chemical/poison feeling to it in my body, yuck
    I love me some of both.
    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Opposite for me Jacked feels so clean to me.
    Jack3d has a very clean feel to me as well. I think Geranium does not sit well with some people though. When i take Jack3d I feel Jack3d, just so much energy I don't know what to do with it. I focus on my workout and as long as I stay in the game I make awesome use of that powerful stim effect and the high amounts of BA in it. However when I use ASGT i get a focused aggression, with a slight energy boost. With both of them I have that off the chain aggression and focus coupled with the Jack3d energy and goodies for a nice pump and I am in Gym Heaven. Focused, intense, and tired not in my vocabulary for at least 3-4 hours.
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  38. Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    That is my hope. I think so but I am going to have to reintroduce the Formadrol for an AI I think.

    No doubt! Very happy. I have never taken a producut PURELY for Cortisol so I am curious to see how it works out. I was looking at the ingredient profile on PCT Assist and I don't see an IA in there or did I miss it? If not then I will add Formadrol back into the equation for an AI.


    I love me some of both.

    Jack3d has a very clean feel to me as well. I think Geranium does not sit well with some people though. When i take Jack3d I feel Jack3d, just so much energy I don't know what to do with it. I focus on my workout and as long as I stay in the game I make awesome use of that powerful stim effect and the high amounts of BA in it. However when I use ASGT i get a focused aggression, with a slight energy boost. With both of them I have that off the chain aggression and focus coupled with the Jack3d energy and goodies for a nice pump and I am in Gym Heaven. Focused, intense, and tired not in my vocabulary for at least 3-4 hours.
    Motivate goes well with Jacked for focus... I use 2 scoops of Jacked and 2 motivate. My resistance to stim has come a long way...
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  39. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Motivate goes well with Jacked for focus... I use 2 scoops of Jacked and 2 motivate. My resistance to stim has come a long way...
    Wow, I would be flying if I took two motivate and 2 scoops jacked. I would probably lose my intra-drink all over the floor if an intense workout. RALPH!!!
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