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  1. Quote Originally Posted by MrBigPR View Post
    what's ur question?
    See post#244. About using 6-OXO Extreme until I can get my hands on some Formadrol. Haven't heard from Met.
    "I am NOT an alcoholic. Alcoholics have a drinking problem. I ain't got no problem drinking!!"
    -My Best Friend


  2. I'm on my phone
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by MrBigPR View Post
    I'm on my phone
    Same here

    YO big dude that is weitting this log(sorry I forgot your name) have you ever tried E-Bol? Just asking cause a lot people that didn't like prime loved IT.
  4. _PCT- Day 2


    OK...have an observation to make...

    Today, when I took the OEP, I took a sample packet that I've had for a while. I took both capsules and also an E-911 tablet. On the way to the gym and throughout my workout, I was not only sweating like a whore in church but had plenty of energy--almost TOO much. When I compare this with the non-response yesterday to 1 cap of OEP, I have a few possible thoughts:

    1) The OEP bottle I received is the "new and improved" version. The only problem is, when companies put out "new and improved" supplements, it means that the good ingredients in the initial run have been taken out/reduced and replaced with cheaper, inferior ingredients. This cuts costs, saves the company money and ultimately means you have to buy more to get the effect you USED to have. This would not surprise me at all.

    2) I have to take TWO OEP instead of one to feel the effects.

    3) I have to take two OEP AND the E-911 to feel the effects. Like stacking it with T2 to get the effects you need. I'm strongly leaning towards #1, but it may be #3. I highly doubt it's #2. Or maybe it's 1 and 3. You never know with Usuck Labs. Anyway...

    4:15 am: 8 sprays Ghenerate, shower

    Before Leaving:
    4 Prime, 2 Pink Magic, 1 Receptor, 1 packet Animal Pak (multi), 1 T-911, 1 E-911, 2 OEP, ASGT/Anadraulic Pump.

    Intra-Workout: 6 scoops BC+EAA in water

    Workout: Legs, Calves, Triceps

    Squats: 205x10, 250x5, 290x3, 330x8 (4 sets), 250 x18- I never go really heavy on these due to knee issues, but I now have the mind-set that to truly get bigger, I must go heavier on squats since they incorporate the full body when performed.

    Front Squats: 135x10 (3 sets)- went light on these to get the feel for the movement. I haven't done these in almost 20 years.

    Leg Extensions: 110x10, 125x10, 155x10

    Leg Curls: 80x10, 95x10, 95x10

    Calf Press: 360x25, 380x25, 420x30, 580x50 (4 sets)

    Close-Grip Bench: 190x10, 230x5, 265x3, 330x8 (4 sets)

    Pushdowns: 60x6, 80x6, 100x6

    Overhead Tri Rope Extensions: 50x10, 60x10, 100x10

    Notes: Elbows and forearms screaming in protest through the entire workout (thanks, Natadrol--LOL!), but I REFUSE TO QUIT. I've come too far for this. I'll lower the weight if I have to, but that's about it. I'll try to order some Alflutop next week. Somehow, even though I'm in pain, most of the strength has remained. I could actually have gone heavier on the pushdowns and extensions. Upping the fish oils and have some MSM in my stash. Had five different people stop me and ask why I wasn't at Training Camp (had one of my Eagles jerseys on, of course). A couple were trying to be smart-assed/cute, but the others genuinely thought I still played--I thanked them for the compliment but reminded them of my age, which would make me a dinosaur in the NFL. 42 (soon to be 43) is like 75 in NFL/Dog years, unless you're a kicker/punter or Drew Bledsoe (LMFAO!!!). Can anyone PLEASE tell me if it's OK to take the 6-OXO Extreme until I get the Formadrol?
    "I am NOT an alcoholic. Alcoholics have a drinking problem. I ain't got no problem drinking!!"
    -My Best Friend

  5. I am not an expert but OEP has not changed the formula since the Inner Circle release. I don't understand why people always think USP changes formulas all the time; besides Jack3d the only formula that changed from beta to release is Pink Magic. All the others have just had the amounts increased (Prime, SuperCissus). I am 185 pounds, give or take a few, and 1 OEP has some stim effect, 2 is a whole other ball game. Plus, you took it with E-911, another potent stim... that is why you felt it. That is a lot of caffeine, geranium, synephrine and alpha-y at once. Not trying to be difficult but I do not believe what you stated in your above post is accurate unless I am completely out of the loop.
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  6. I don't think I have commented on this run, maybe?

    Anyway, how can you conclude where nata and prime's effectiveness start and the other sink of supplements end?

  7. Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    I am not an expert but OEP has not changed the formula since the Inner Circle release. I don't understand why people always think USP changes formulas all the time; besides Jack3d the only formula that changed from beta to release is Pink Magic. All the others have just had the amounts increased (Prime, SuperCissus). I am 185 pounds, give or take a few, and 1 OEP has some stim effect, 2 is a whole other ball game. Plus, you took it with E-911, another potent stim... that is why you felt it. That is a lot of caffeine, geranium, synephrine and alpha-y at once. Not trying to be difficult but I do not believe what you stated in your above post is accurate unless I am completely out of the loop.
    Well, like you said, you're NOT an expert. Neither am I. I was just giving my opinion and experience with it. You also admitted that they changed two other formulas (including the one they JUST released), so it's not out of the realm of possibility that they could have changed this one, now is it? Thirdly, if you read my post correctly, I indeed stated that taking the E-911 and/or taking two OEP may have been one of the reasons. So I don't completely understand your reasoning. If it is a debate you are looking for, please take your comments elsewhere. Thank you.
    "I am NOT an alcoholic. Alcoholics have a drinking problem. I ain't got no problem drinking!!"
    -My Best Friend

  8. Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post
    I don't think I have commented on this run, maybe?

    Anyway, how can you conclude where nata and prime's effectiveness start and the other sink of supplements end?
    Well, unless it (the Natadrol) was the ONLY supp I was taking, of course there's no entirely foolproof way to conclude this. I just know my body (as most people should know their own) and I think it's a pretty good estimate, especially based on what others who have used it reported. There is definitely a chance that all of the supps work synergistically; I'm not saying that's not possible. You can always try it for yourself and report on it. That's what I would do if I had issues with someone's log/results.
    "I am NOT an alcoholic. Alcoholics have a drinking problem. I ain't got no problem drinking!!"
    -My Best Friend

  9. Quote Originally Posted by ex-tightend83 View Post
    Oy!

    Notes: I was not impressed with the OEP. Maybe I have to take 2 pre-workout, but since it's advertised as a "Super Thermogenic" and "Pharmacist-Formulated," I was expecting to sweat profusely and be bouncing off the walls. Neither happened. I expect to have to give PM a week or two to kick in, but let me find out that these are two more of USurP Labs' overpriced, overhyped and underdosed products. I went through all that hell with them for NOTHING? If this IS the case, then I will forever refer to them as USuck Labs.

    Weight: 318.75 lbs.
    I can't not say something here because you are judging a supplement based on one dosage and I'm sorry, that is far from a scientific or logical way to do it. Yes you will feel some of the stim properties of the product right away, but like SO MANY supplements OEP does not fully kick in until 7-10 day pass. I noticed some water loss right away but until a week had passed, very little noticeable fat loss. USP has openly stated it takes time for the ingredients to build up and become effective; think of Prime, it is the same situation yet many of us still consider it wildly effective.

    Before you judge a supplement by one dose, try finishing the bottle then making claims such as you did above. Then you have a full 4 weeks or more to judge it off of. Also, since you are over 300 pounds, I might suggest you run it 2 AM, then 1 OEP PM w/ E-911 if you are looking for the extra stim. You could do 2/2 but that is a lot of alpha-y and it may not sit well with you.

    AS-GT does not really give all it has to offer in one dose either but I don't hear anyone complaining about it... took at least 6-7 workouts before I started to get the strength gains. It still is my favorite but I know there are no instant results with supplements, even AAS/DS/PH.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by ex-tightend83 View Post
    Well, like you said, you're NOT an expert. Neither am I. I was just giving my opinion and experience with it. You also admitted that they changed two other formulas (including the one they JUST released), so it's not out of the realm of possibility that they could have changed this one, now is it? Thirdly, if you read my post correctly, I indeed stated that taking the E-911 and/or taking two OEP may have been one of the reasons. So I don't completely understand your reasoning. If it is a debate you are looking for, please take your comments elsewhere. Thank you.
    No offense man, that is me trying to have a discussion and see what your points are. You can assume all you want that USP changed the formula, here's a thought, read the label and see what changed (nothing did by the way). They are required BY LAW to document all ingredients and USP is very accurate because the FDA has had its eye on the in the past for Jack3d (it needed to be labeled with more clear names). If you can't have a discussion on a public forum then I will leave you threads but your overly confrontational attitude doesn't help the goals of why we are here... that is all I have to say.

    Just a thought, why don't you PM MulletSoldier if you are so sure and he will let you know straight up if something changed. USP changed the formula of Pink Magic once they found out it was as effective [in beta form] as they hoped and doing so with one compound was smart. The additions are designed to compliment the primary ingredient; whether that is the case only the logs and anecdotal evidence will show.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    I can't not say something here because you are judging a supplement based on one dosage and I'm sorry, that is far from a scientific or logical way to do it. Yes you will feel some of the stim properties of the product right away, but like SO MANY supplements OEP does not fully kick in until 7-10 day pass. I noticed some water loss right away but until a week had passed, very little noticeable fat loss. USP has openly stated it takes time for the ingredients to build up and become effective; think of Prime, it is the same situation yet many of us still consider it wildly effective.

    Before you judge a supplement by one dose, try finishing the bottle then making claims such as you did above. Then you have a full 4 weeks or more to judge it off of. Also, since you are over 300 pounds, I might suggest you run it 2 AM, then 1 OEP PM w/ E-911 if you are looking for the extra stim. You could do 2/2 but that is a lot of alpha-y and it may not sit well with you.

    AS-GT does not really give all it has to offer in one dose either but I don't hear anyone complaining about it... took at least 6-7 workouts before I started to get the strength gains. It still is my favorite but I know there are no instant results with supplements, even AAS/DS/PH.
    I wasn't saying that I WAS looking for magic in one dose. I was more referring to the stim effect. I've taken other stims and felt the effects with one dose (Black Cats, for example). Of course I didn't expect to see visible fat-burning with one dose. That would be ridiculous. In fact, if you noticed, all of my reviews were after a TWO-MONTH RUN. As far as your "suggestions," I think I'll stick with what I did today...if that's all right with you. Anything else?
    "I am NOT an alcoholic. Alcoholics have a drinking problem. I ain't got no problem drinking!!"
    -My Best Friend

  12. Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    No offense man, that is me trying to have a discussion and see what your points are. You can assume all you want that USP changed the formula, here's a thought, read the label and see what changed (nothing did by the way). They are required BY LAW to document all ingredients and USP is very accurate because the FDA has had its eye on the in the past for Jack3d (it needed to be labeled with more clear names). If you can't have a discussion on a public forum then I will leave you threads but your overly confrontational attitude doesn't help the goals of why we are here... that is all I have to say.

    Just a thought, why don't you PM MulletSoldier if you are so sure and he will let you know straight up if something changed. USP changed the formula of Pink Magic once they found out it was as effective [in beta form] as they hoped and doing so with one compound was smart. The additions are designed to compliment the primary ingredient; whether that is the case only the logs and anecdotal evidence will show.
    I honestly don't care enough to PM any more reps of that company; it's really not that important to me. And we ALL know there are ways of getting around the FDA, at least for a little while (wink, wink). And I don't apologize for my attitude. I've taken a lot of sh*t in the past week or so, and I'm just not taking it anymore. By the way, aren't you one of the dudes who were taking up for the guy who got banned? I'm still pissed off about that ****. So if my attitude/comments bother you, by all means---feel free to leave.
    "I am NOT an alcoholic. Alcoholics have a drinking problem. I ain't got no problem drinking!!"
    -My Best Friend

  13. Quote Originally Posted by ex-tightend83 View Post
    Well, unless it (the Natadrol) was the ONLY supp I was taking, of course there's no entirely foolproof way to conclude this. I just know my body (as most people should know their own) and I think it's a pretty good estimate, especially based on what others who have used it reported. There is definitely a chance that all of the supps work synergistically; I'm not saying that's not possible. You can always try it for yourself and report on it. That's what I would do if I had issues with someone's log/results.

    I was referring to the title which stated, Natadrol/Prime, which led me to believe that it was a stack of those 2.

    Well, nevertheless, where is the log which you had an issue with that got you interested in running this one? I need to view it.
    ---The internet is the father of the electronic lynch-mob---

  14. Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post
    I was referring to the title which stated, Natadrol/Prime, which led me to believe that it was a stack of those 2.

    Well, nevertheless, where is the log which you had an issue with that got you interested in running this one? I need to view it.
    I had no issues with any particular log, it was just a couple of forums where it was discussed the pros-cons of/if you could stack the two compounds. Plus you had people who swore Natadrol was A PLACEBO EFFECT. So I decided to try it. Sorry if I wasn't clear on that.
    "I am NOT an alcoholic. Alcoholics have a drinking problem. I ain't got no problem drinking!!"
    -My Best Friend

  15. Quote Originally Posted by ex-tightend83 View Post
    I wasn't saying that I WAS looking for magic in one dose. I was more referring to the stim effect. I've taken other stims and felt the effects with one dose (Black Cats, for example). Of course I didn't expect to see visible fat-burning with one dose. That would be ridiculous. In fact, if you noticed, all of my reviews were after a TWO-MONTH RUN. As far as your "suggestions," I think I'll stick with what I did today...if that's all right with you. Anything else?
    Do what you want Ex-T, if you knew who gave me advice about dosing you wouldn't react like that but that's your choice and I respect that. You obviously don't like what I have to say or that my opinion is different than yours, I will no longer post in your log since I don't feel there is much benefit when it leads to arguments. Enjoy the rest of your PCT/log and continued success with your plans for the future. No hard feelings here big guy, as the saying goes, we can agree to disagree. I'm out.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by ex-tightend83 View Post
    I honestly don't care enough to PM any more reps of that company; it's really not that important to me. And we ALL know there are ways of getting around the FDA, at least for a little while (wink, wink). And I don't apologize for my attitude. I've taken a lot of sh*t in the past week or so, and I'm just not taking it anymore. By the way, aren't you one of the dudes who were taking up for the guy who got banned? I'm still pissed off about that ****. So if my attitude/comments bother you, by all means---feel free to leave.
    The FDA comment made me chuckle... unsubbed.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    Do what you want Ex-T, if you knew who gave me advice about dosing you wouldn't react like that but that's your choice and I respect that. You obviously don't like what I have to say or that my opinion is different than yours, I will no longer post in your log since I don't feel there is much benefit when it leads to arguments. Enjoy the rest of your PCT/log and continued success with your plans for the future. No hard feelings here big guy, as the saying goes, we can agree to disagree. I'm out.
    Good riddance.
    "I am NOT an alcoholic. Alcoholics have a drinking problem. I ain't got no problem drinking!!"
    -My Best Friend
  18. PCT- Day 4


    Took off yesterday to give the joints a little bit of a breather. High-dosed the fish oil (12g) and also found my Chondroitin and MSM.

    Seemed to work. Forearms and joints were MUCH better today. And I needed it.

    4:15 am: Shower, 8 sprays Ghenerate
    Before leaving: 4 Prime, 2 Pink Magic, 1 OEP, 1 E-911, 1 T-911, 1 pouch Animal Pak, 4g fish oil, ASGT, Anadraulic Pump

    During Workout: 32 oz. Gatorade w/BCAA powder (found in my stash)

    Workout: Shoulders, Back
    Overhead Barbell Press: 115x10, 140x5, 160x3, 185x9 (4 sets), 140x22
    DB Press: 30x10, 35x10, 40x10
    Lat Raises: 30x10 (3 sets)
    Barbell Row: 135x10, 165x5, 190x3, 220x8 (4 sets), 165x16
    Pulldowns: 110x10, 130x10, 160x10
    DB Rows: 50x10, 60x10, 80x10
    BB Shrugs: 230x10, 275x5, 320x3, 370x8 (4 sets), 275x20

    Notes: the 1 OEP with the E-911 is OK, makes me sweat but moderate stim. If I want that bouncing-off-the-wall sh!t, I have to take 2 OEP with the E-911. Strength seems to continue to slowly increase, however this workout regimen is definitely an ass-kicker. I mean I am DONE after completing this. Diet wasn't that clean today, sorry. The GF (or soon-to-be ex) treated to some Chinese food. I don't turn down free meals! Trying to keep my temper under control, but, as you can see on here, I'm not always successful. Is my log being BOYCOTTED? lol...If it is, that's OK. Part of doing a log (or most of it) is so that you can track your progress.
    "I am NOT an alcoholic. Alcoholics have a drinking problem. I ain't got no problem drinking!!"
    -My Best Friend

  19. no boycots here my friend. Been a bit laid up though!!!! I personally like the A-T2 better than OEP. I am stacking the 2 right now, 2 of each in the AM and that treats me well...
    Working on living

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Army Guy View Post
    no boycots here my friend. Been a bit laid up though!!!! I personally like the A-T2 better than OEP. I am stacking the 2 right now, 2 of each in the AM and that treats me well...
    Glad to hear your surgery went well. Nice avi, by the way.
    "I am NOT an alcoholic. Alcoholics have a drinking problem. I ain't got no problem drinking!!"
    -My Best Friend

  21. lol thanks my friend. When I record the 150 for 10 I will set that one as the avi. Something for me to look forward to!!
    Working on living

  22. First I have to say keep killing it man your strength is always impressive and your posts are always interesting. Although, I think we need to change your name to Mr Alpha.
    You just get into those who question you and I can respect that but Fin is a truly good guy. I think he was trying to keep the peace in that other log more than take up but I may be wrong. However I don't get the impression he is a closet racist. He is a very analytical creature as am I and I think his intentions here were misinterpreted. He does like USP supps as do I, and OEP is a good product. I only buy USP when on sale now because i can't afford them when I get as good or better results from Natadrol and it is half the price. I do think that at 300+ lbs of bad mother fugger you might need 2 and 2 of the OEP. It is gonna be weight dependent. However the E-911 is supposed to be the shiz from everything I have read about it. I have not used it yet. Adding them together should kill man. I would just finish of your USP stuff and write them off without bashing too much you don't want to be considered negative. You are a good guy but you don't want to get a bad rep then everything becomes adversarial and you won't have as much fun on here. I get the being upset about that other log. That stuff was shyte but let it go brother. The right side won in that situation. You should smile now and begin to enjoy yourself again not hold on to that negative stuff it makes you unhappy to dwell on bullsh*t like that.

    Remember that being the baddest mofo around is awesome but being the coolest bad mofo around is way better. Lighten up just a wee bit at least on the boards and there is more fun to be had and easier to learn.

    I hope you don't take this the wrong way bro as you know I like you, and put a lot of effort into helping with the stack and nutrition you have going on. I just don't want you getting a bad rep as a hot head and no one reading your logs. It is ridiculously hard to get a sponsored log when people think you are negative. Smile a little and remember you are an Eagle when there is sh*t in the pit you can fly above it, instead of dozing through it creating a mess that some of will splash back on you.

    Keep that Alpha Male under control. Testopro just kicked in on top of the Formadrol and I yelled at my daughter about something today that was unwarranted and had to pull her onto my lap and tell her Daddy was a turd and acting like a child throwing a temper tantrum. I have a hard time being challenged when on boosters or Natadrol without getting a little crunk so I totally feel you in that aspect.

    Oh by the way I am not sure about what Met has to say but if you don't have your Form yet then OXO will bring your levels back up while waiting on the form.

    Like I said Bro I really hope you don't take me wrong here, just trying to be helpful in a Public Relationships way. You are one interesting cat with tons of potential and the ability to attract a lot of attention from supp companies to have you log for them but you will want to tone down the Alpha to achieve those benefits.

    On a secondary note to others reading this. I don't think people need to jump in here and agree with me, XT does not need an attack. I wont respond to anyone else addressing this post, I am just talking to the man as a man and friend. He will assess my post and take it how he wants to so lets not comment on it anymore. He does not need to be attacked and it would be tasteless to do so as I have said enough and may have overstepped my boundaries in an effort to help a brother further his logging career. So leave me dangling on this limb alone and let the big man choose how to take this constructive criticism.

    Now kill some fugging weight XT!

    Oh yeah XT if all your joints are getting onto you I recommend lowering the weight and increasing the time under tension with a slower rep scheme like 2 seconds up, 1 second pause at bottom and 2 seconds down. On top of being easier on joints this will shock the muscle into more growth.
    Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
    Current Training Log -
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/workout-logs/276206-kleen-strong-body.html

  23. Thanks for taking the time to write that, Kleen...you've given me some things to consider. I promise to be a bit more, um, PC and maybe even...nice. Ugh.
    "I am NOT an alcoholic. Alcoholics have a drinking problem. I ain't got no problem drinking!!"
    -My Best Friend
  24. PCT-Day 8


    Whew...the workout got slightly easier, not as much of an ass-kicker as last week, but like I've said before: it's comparable to getting hit by Mike Tyson's left hook instead of his uppercut...not that much of a difference. Strength went up a little...the supps seem to still be doing their job.

    4:15 am: Shower, 8 sprays Ghenerate
    Before leaving: 4 Prime, 2 Pink Magic, 2 OEP, 1 E-911, 1 Animal Pak (multi-vitamin), 1 Receptor, 4g fish oil, 2 caps glucosamine and MSM.

    Workout: Chest, Biceps:

    Bench: 230x10, 275x5, 325x3, 370x8, 370x7, 345x8, 345x8, 275x17
    DB Incline Press: 80x10, 90x10, 120x10
    DB Flyes: 70x10, 70x10, 80x10
    Curls: 60x5, 70x3, 80x3, 95x5 (4 sets)
    DB Incline Curls: 30x10 (3 sets)
    Rope Hammer Curls: 60x10, 70x10, 80x10
    Post-Workout: 3 scoops Postal, 1 scoop ON casein, 1 scoop ON whey

    Energy was good with the 2 OEP and the E-911. Didn't sweat as much as last week but was still very awake, aware and focused. Picked up some Fenugreek to help with test-boosting. It always gives me a slight boost in libido, just makes my urine smell like maple syrup. Then again, you CAN make tea from Fenugreek, soooo....sippin' on some protein and ready to down a few eggs. Yummm...
    "I am NOT an alcoholic. Alcoholics have a drinking problem. I ain't got no problem drinking!!"
    -My Best Friend

  25. man you are a strong mofo!!!! some serious weight there my friend
    Working on living
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