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  1. Quote Originally Posted by sanchezgreg18 View Post
    So you have any studies that were ever conducted showing that someone eating the most high glycemic carbs post wo gained more LBM because of "Insulin spike" over someone who relied solely on say Oats? do you have any studies showing the affect of reoccurring "Insulin Spiking", or better what happens when someone ingests 50-100g of sugar 5 times per week for 6-8 months / year for a number of years? You really think this brologic of "Insulin Spiking" using the most nutrient deprived High GI carbohydrate sources is healthy for anyone , bodybuilder or otherwise? If you have literature showing that HFCS or Dextrose lead to more Lean mass due to insulin spiking in the post workout timeframe with no adverse long term health effects I would die to see them. Who cares if Glucose spikes insulin more than anything but its nowhere near injecting even 1-2 IU of Humalog. Dextrose, HFCS, glucose whatever sugars you liike arent healthy and the slight increase of insulin versus a slow digesting carbohydrate are not going to increase lean mass gains.
    Why yes, I happen to have seventy five studies exactly tailored to those stringent specifications you enumerated, ha! Why are you soliciting me for studies when I also authored a reply above renouncing and confuting the usance of HFCS, and furthermore in my most recent writing drafted the body of text as an inquisitive invitation to elicit debate and discourse, not as a solidified scientifically authenticated stand point warranting the ardent advocation of the forum members to adopt.

    Regarding your other notion, as I interpreted it, you are bolstering gym goers to turn their backs upon the manipulation and harnessing of one of the most anabolic hormone cascading events in existence, in favor of rolled oats, all in a purported conquest to avoid some sort of health deteriorating and eroding after effects wrought by the measured and controlled once daily ingestion of rice cakes and dates? Allow me to counter your supposition laced misdirected dissertation laden with underhanded smirks, nudges, and scoffs with a petition of my own for any even remotely related shred or thread of scientific affirming testimony fortifying and vindicating your farcical antiquated theories. I openly and arduously campaign for illuminating dissenting dialog throughout all forums and facets of life, but I can't even conjure the necessary will to highlight and extinguish your baseless primitive uncultivated prognostications.


  2. Damn...my Thesaurus hurts guys!!
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  3. So is this a big word d**k measuring contest now? A lot of back and forth bickering and run on sentences... yet no real information to take in. Keep to the facts you are presenting so people can actually chime in and we all can learn or just take it to PMs.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    So is this a big word d**k measuring contest now? A lot of back and forth bickering and run on sentences... yet no real information to take in. Keep to the facts you are presenting so people can actually chime in and we all can learn or just take it to PMs.
    Maybe you stopped reading half way through when you realized it wasn't the usually encountered monosyllabic rubbish, because my counter points and entire common constructing foundation were evident and continually alluded to.

    I refuse to degrade my years and tuition dollars/intellect and passion for sharing knowledge and gaining it from others, down to the lowest common denominator by pecking away lazily at a keyboard with short hand and acronyms - my original impetus remains unchanged; I was merely posing the question why we don't as a whole/collective consume non traditional foods that are equivalent to Dextrose/Vitargo/Maltodextrin in their Glycemic load and index in an attempt to save money and still reap the optimal well established benefits of enhancing post workout insulin release in conjunction with GDAs such as Slin Sane (which I have been enjoying for the past weeks of usage, similar to the OP).

  5. did 1 hour and 15 minutes on treadmill. at the start i did 2 slinshot and then 6 oz grape juice with 3gms creapue/3gm bcaa's. when finished i took 2 slinshot and the grape juice mix but added a glucose chewable that they give to diabetic's. 2 slinshot pre was just too much with only 30 carbs-started getting a little hypo about 20 minutes in but fored my self to finish. tomorrow i will go back to the 1 cap pre and post-i guess i am too sensitive to the slinshot to use 2 caps. as to the effects of the glucose chewable-fantastic, i highly recommend.

    slinsot is proving-to me at least, to be very effective.

    todays weigh in 196, thats -2. i am very pleased.
    GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by Outstanding View Post
    Maybe you stopped reading half way through when you realized it wasn't the usually encountered monosyllabic rubbish, because my counter points and entire common constructing foundation were evident and continually alluded to.

    I refuse to degrade my years and tuition dollars/intellect and passion for sharing knowledge and gaining it from others, down to the lowest common denominator by pecking away lazily at a keyboard with short hand and acronyms - my original impetus remains unchanged; I was merely posing the question why we don't as a whole/collective consume non traditional foods that are equivalent to Dextrose/Vitargo/Maltodextrin in their Glycemic load and index in an attempt to save money and still reap the optimal well established benefits of enhancing post workout insulin release in conjunction with GDAs such as Slin Sane (which I have been enjoying for the past weeks of usage, similar to the OP).
    Don't insult my intelligence, I think my three majors in four years of schooling are proof enough I am not looking for five word, monosyllabic sentences that a five year old could read. Better put, I don't wear my education on my shoulder and flaunt it to prove I'm better than you. There is nothing wrong with your stated goal of figuring out if, as you say, non-traditional foods carry the same rewards as typical complex carbs pwo. Why don't you post what your experience is with Slin-Sane, foods you consume, quantity etc... that way we can all better understand your thought process and determine if it is something we want to try. Otherwise, you're just using your "education" to talk above everyone else and provide little tangible benefit. If you want to write a paper and have it published, write as you have, otherwise peck away with the rest of us simpletons and enhance the flow of knowledge. That is of course what you are trying to do, right?

  7. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    ...added a glucose chewable that they give to diabetic's. as to the effects of the glucose chewable-fantastic, i highly recommend.

    slinsot is proving-to me at least, to be very effective.
    THAT is ironic that you used the Glucose Chewable! Excellent choice... what was the nutrition profile of each tablet?

    I took (6) Glycobol and (4) Slin Shot prior to my usual Saturday cheat meal (Stuffed Crust Pizza followed by a brownie with ice cream on top) along with 100mg of Vanadyl Sulfate and 1g of Chromium, and I still ended up getting massive sugar spiking response and water retention/bloating (even leading into the following day). I believe the worthiness of these supplements lies more in their inclusion of a well structured nutritional protocol, rather than trying to mitigate possible fat accrual in response to a provocative glucose challenge such as a cheat meal - what do you think Big T?

  8. Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    Don't insult my intelligence, I think my three majors in four years of schooling are proof enough I am not looking for five word, monosyllabic sentences that a five year old could read. Better put, I don't wear my education on my shoulder and flaunt it to prove I'm better than you. There is nothing wrong with your stated goal of figuring out if, as you say, non-traditional foods carry the same rewards as typical complex carbs pwo. Why don't you post what your experience is with Slin-Sane, foods you consume, quantity etc... that way we can all better understand your thought process and determine if it is something we want to try. Otherwise, you're just using your "education" to talk above everyone else and provide little tangible benefit. If you want to write a paper and have it published, write as you have, otherwise peck away with the rest of us simpletons and enhance the flow of knowledge. That is of course what you are trying to do, right?
    I understand your aggravation, but as a newer member here the outpouring of positive and supportive encouraging feedback I have been given by members and even sponsors going out of their way to write me has only been slightly tarnished by your seeming unwillingness to accept my writing and approach toward research and discourse in the same regard. I cannot think of any other subject or specific labor of love and learning that demands and deserves more thoughtful articulation than the applied sciences using ourselves as the experimental volunteer. Also, I have shared my experiences regarding Slin Shot, and other GDAs in great detail, and tried to be creative in spawning new and entertaining/enlightening streams of discussion. I employ an always vigilant careful tactic with every post to make sure I do not become emotionally involved, or intentionally offend or insult any member here with profane or immature Internet pillow fighting.

    I look forward to being here, and will continue to conduct myself and author my posts to the best of my ability and feel confident that approach will be met with more approval than disapproval.

    Now, back to Slin Sane's ability to nullify insulins ability to manifest new adipose tissue and enhance creatine uptake independent of the insulin pathway mechanism.

  9. There's also a load of fat in that stuff as well so you can't say it was just the sugar. You can't just eat what you want so much even with this. I bet you can add in more carbs to a cut or help with good nutritional plan eating over naintenance and might give you a little more wiggle room.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Outstanding View Post
    THAT is ironic that you used the Glucose Chewable! Excellent choice... what was the nutrition profile of each tablet?

    I took (6) Glycobol and (4) Slin Shot prior to my usual Saturday cheat meal (Stuffed Crust Pizza followed by a brownie with ice cream on top) along with 100mg of Vanadyl Sulfate and 1g of Chromium, and I still ended up getting massive sugar spiking response and water retention/bloating (even leading into the following day). I believe the worthiness of these supplements lies more in their inclusion of a well structured nutritional protocol, rather than trying to mitigate possible fat accrual in response to a provocative glucose challenge such as a cheat meal - what do you think Big T?
    whoa-even if the np's mitigate the carbs, that is a ton of fat to contend with.

    as to the glucose tablet-it says watermelon glucose tablets, dextrose is the carb-4grams. it isn't much just 4 grams but damn, it sure hits fast.
    GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!

  11. Quote Originally Posted by Grambo View Post
    There's also a load of fat in that stuff as well so you can't say it was just the sugar. You can't just eat what you want so much even with this. I bet you can add in more carbs to a cut or help with good nutritional plan eating over naintenance and might give you a little more wiggle room.
    this is very true, i have been able to increase my carb intake and still continue to lose weight, plus with the added carbs and creatine my muscles look much fuller and the pump is wild.
    GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Grambo View Post
    There's also a load of fat in that stuff as well so you can't say it was just the sugar. You can't just eat what you want so much even with this. I bet you can add in more carbs to a cut or help with good nutritional plan eating over naintenance and might give you a little more wiggle room.
    I agree 101%, and wasn't trying to rely upon any supplement to completely eliminate the inescapable metabolic consequences of having a weekly cheat meal. I just implement GDAs prior to the weekly binge as a type of shock absorber

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Outstanding View Post
    I agree 101%, and wasn't trying to rely upon any supplement to completely eliminate the inescapable metabolic consequences of having a weekly cheat meal. I just implement GDAs prior to the weekly binge as a type of shock absorber
    i just added AT-2 in yesterday, you might consider adding this to your cheat meals-very effective fat burner. the slinshot for the carbs and the AT-2 for the fat-got the bases covered.
    GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!

  14. How do u feel the 4grams glucose tablet compares to the 30+ grams sugar in soda?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by zombiemuscle View Post
    How do u feel the 4grams glucose tablet compares to the 30+ grams sugar in soda?
    the soda wins just due to the extra carbs-but for just 4 grams the glucose tablet is a lot of bang, might try 2 or 3 glucose tablets to see what that's like, but they can get expensive.
    GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!

  16. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    the soda wins just due to the extra carbs-but for just 4 grams the glucose tablet is a lot of bang, might try 2 or 3 glucose tablets to see what that's like, but they can get expensive.
    I found 50 glucose tablets at my local rite aid for 6.99, 4g glucose each. I might try them when I cut soda outa my diet haha.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    i just added AT-2 in yesterday, you might consider adding this to your cheat meals-very effective fat burner. the slinshot for the carbs and the AT-2 for the fat-got the bases covered.
    I have always relied on either Clenbutrx, Mitotropin, or Clen/T3 over the years for my choice metabolic amplifiers; what is AT-2? Thanks for the suggestion - being able to cover all macro nutrient bases and reduce the plausible fat gain from cheat meals would be WELCOMED

    Quote Originally Posted by zombiemuscle View Post
    I found 50 glucose tablets at my local rite aid for 6.99, 4g glucose each. I might try them when I cut soda outa my diet haha.
    See...... we can all get along!! HAHAHA! $6.99 for 200g of carbs is a lot, but used sparingly as a very purpose specific additive post workout might prove beneficial

  18. Quote Originally Posted by zombiemuscle View Post
    I found 50 glucose tablets at my local rite aid for 6.99, 4g glucose each. I might try them when I cut soda outa my diet haha.
    that's a fantastic price, i paid more than that for a 10 pack.
    GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!

  19. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    that's a fantastic price, i paid more than that for a 10 pack.
    If that was the Rite Aid price... I would have to assume Wal-Mart would have even better prices; I am going to WM tonight to re-stock on some meat head essentials, so I will look around. The Off Season is always the ideal time to incorporate new techniques and apply emerging theory in pharmacology and nutrition. I'll report back here

    Triceps in T-Minus 20 minutes... I have been waiting the recommended full two hours between pre-workout meal and training. Took my two Slin Shot and made some delicious turkey breast and oatmeal bread sandwiches.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Outstanding View Post
    If that was the Rite Aid price... I would have to assume Wal-Mart would have even better prices; I am going to WM tonight to re-stock on some meat head essentials, so I will look around. The Off Season is always the ideal time to incorporate new techniques and apply emerging theory in pharmacology and nutrition. I'll report back here

    Triceps in T-Minus 20 minutes... I have been waiting the recommended full two hours between pre-workout meal and training. Took my two Slin Shot and made some delicious turkey breast and oatmeal bread sandwiches.
    my wife made oatmeal raisin cookies with molasses as the sweetener-i heard molasses is much better than sugar or even honey.
    GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!

  21. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    my wife made oatmeal raisin cookies with molasses as the sweetener-i heard molasses is much better than sugar or even honey.
    Better in terms of insulin signaling, yes. I believe it exists in the 80's on the Glycemic Index, whereas honey is primarily a fructose derivative and falls well below 70 by any account on the GI - I was just studying the Glycemic Load data last night, and have my notes next to me, but did not mark anything pertaining to syrup or honey.

  22. wow 6 glycobol and 4 slinshot prior to a meal and your glycemia remained high through the next day? thats no bueno.

    never do that! split the dose pre meal and mid meal!

  23. had another great workout-dosing remained the same 1cap slinshot and then 3 gms creapure, 3gms bcaa and 6 oz grape juice pre and post workout the 1 cap slinshot and 15 minutes later same drink mix.

    i did 20 minutes stairmaster/20 minutes rowing/30 minutes treadmill.

    i decided that i wanted a little cheat so i bought a snickers bar and ate it about 10 minutes after finishing my post workout drink mix. damn, i haven't had a snickers in a long time-damn thing just seemed like a taste of heaven. got home feeling good and then i crashed from the sugar and slept great.
    GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!

  24. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    had another great workout-dosing remained the same 1cap slinshot and then 3 gms creapure, 3gms bcaa and 6 oz grape juice pre and post workout the 1 cap slinshot and 15 minutes later same drink mix.

    i did 20 minutes stairmaster/20 minutes rowing/30 minutes treadmill.

    i decided that i wanted a little cheat so i bought a snickers bar and ate it about 10 minutes after finishing my post workout drink mix. damn, i haven't had a snickers in a long time-damn thing just seemed like a taste of heaven. got home feeling good and then i crashed from the sugar and slept great.
    There is truly nothing like that sugar-induced nap time, haha! I am glad to see you're using the grape juice; is it a 100% pure juice drink or a juice c-ocktail (had to space the work because it would have been crossed-out)? I ended up at Wal-Mart last night but was in too much of a rush to check on the Glucose tablet/drink pricing. I had an excellent meal upon waking and am going to train quads in half an hour, might be able to get in two workouts today! Have a good one - by the way, my apologies if I missed this anywhere, but are you tracking your body weight or administering any other supplements alongside the Slin Sane?

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Outstanding View Post
    There is truly nothing like that sugar-induced nap time, haha! I am glad to see you're using the grape juice; is it a 100% pure juice drink or a juice c-ocktail (had to space the work because it would have been crossed-out)? I ended up at Wal-Mart last night but was in too much of a rush to check on the Glucose tablet/drink pricing. I had an excellent meal upon waking and am going to train quads in half an hour, might be able to get in two workouts today! Have a good one - by the way, my apologies if I missed this anywhere, but are you tracking your body weight or administering any other supplements alongside the Slin Sane?
    100% grape juice-no ****tail. i weighed in this morning at 197 so i am continuing to lose weight while still looking/feeling full.

    btw-it's slinshot....not slin sane, lol.
    GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!
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