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  1. Quote Originally Posted by zombiemuscle View Post
    I've always believed that soda was the best thing if you wanted to spike sugar/insulin. I've drank juice as a lower sugar alternative to soda, juices may also have less of an insulin spiking ability.
    so we talking coke or pepsi, or would a mountain dew work just as well? i am going to try this-thanks!
    GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!


  2. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    so we talking coke or pepsi, or would a mountain dew work just as well? i am going to try this-thanks!
    Anything should work as long as it isn't DIET lol! I've used coke in the past but am currently using canada dry ginger ale.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by zombiemuscle View Post
    Anything should work as long as it isn't DIET lol! I've used coke in the past but am currently using canada dry ginger ale.
    good call!!! i did my regular routine, then had a can of coke. those extra carbs really hit fast, felt almost hyper. been a long time since i felt so pumped up and energized after workout-geez, i haven't had a can of regular pepsi in over a year, lol. so far, i am very impressed with slinshot!!! but i highly recommend anyone trying it adds some creatine, i seriously believe i am reacting better than normal to the creatine while on the slinshot-i have been adding weight to my usual lifts, strength is climbing.
    GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!

  4. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    good call!!! i did my regular routine, then had a can of coke. those extra carbs really hit fast, felt almost hyper. been a long time since i felt so pumped up and energized after workout-geez, i haven't had a can of regular pepsi in over a year, lol. so far, i am very impressed with slinshot!!! but i highly recommend anyone trying it adds some creatine, i seriously believe i am reacting better than normal to the creatine while on the slinshot-i have been adding weight to my usual lifts, strength is climbing.
    This makes sense considering insulin is supposed to help shuttle creatine to the muscles.

    I have a can of soda after more than half of my workouts. I believe it helps me to grow... Insulin is very anabolic.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by zombiemuscle View Post
    This makes sense considering insulin is supposed to help shuttle creatine to the muscles.

    I have a can of soda after more than half of my workouts. I believe it helps me to grow... Insulin is very anabolic.
    look up the study on the ingredient in slinshot-it shows much higher absorption of creatine if slinshot is taken before the creatine. there is even a best selling pre workout product that contains creatine and has a small amount of slinshot ingredient included. i have used creatine alot, and never had the results i am getting with taking slinshot before-not even close. the muscle fullness is very nice!!!
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  6. Pre workout with slinshot ingredient??
    Always open light. Itís not what you open with, itís what you finish with. Louie Simmons

  7. Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    Pre workout with slinshot ingredient??
    yup. but it is a proprietary blend, so you can take to the bank it isn't even close to whats in a cap of slinshot. just making the point of how compatible slinshot is with creatine.
    GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!

  8. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    yup. but it is a proprietary blend, so you can take to the bank it isn't even close to whats in a cap of slinshot. just making the point of how compatible slinshot is with creatine.
    Always open light. Itís not what you open with, itís what you finish with. Louie Simmons

  9. i took 2 slinshot on a totally empty stomach, waited 20 minutes and did blood sugar test. it was 112.



    i won't be able to do any more testing, my father in law only has so many strips here at my house and i won't use any more of them. i can honestly say that slinshot lowers blood sugar levels by a significant amount. what i can't say is if it has this effect the 1st time you use it or if this effect is cumulative, since i have been taking slinshot daily for 2 weeks.
    GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!

  10. Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    we got my father in law home around 1:30 i hit the gym about 3. had a good workout and couldn't believe how pumped and full i was. i think i have the timing down pretty good for the slinshot and results are backing this up.


    my father in law has a meter and kit for taking blood sugar-i took 2 slingshot then ate a meal with 75 carbs-same as what art gets, 20 minutes later i took my blood sugar-it was 123. that is remarkable that sugar was so low that soon after eating a meal with 75 carbs-i have to say this is due to the slinshot. i don't want to use too many of art's strips but i will do before and after eating testing tomorrow.
    This is VERY interesting! Actually being able to take real time accurate data after ingestion of any supplement geared toward glucose modulation is very enlightening. Thank you so much for sharing... those strips run about $1 a piece don't they, which measuring 3 times daily adds up to $100 a month.

    Would you be willing to do the same 75g carbohydrate intake during the same time of day and take a measurement of your blood sugar without administering Slin Sane? This would be an endlessly helpful and illuminating measurement, since everything can be replicated and the only 'control' factor is the absence of the Slin Shot.

  11. PS: Regarding the juice vs. soda discussion... I would be one to subscribe the philosophy that sugar is sugar; the only difference is the carbonation. I would be hard pressed to subscribe to the notion that soda has a higher intrinsic ability to heighten insulin release opposed to fruit juice, which is also sugar laden and ounce-for-ounce almost identical concerning nutrition data. There is a very small variance of any meaningful or significant value between refined and processed simple sugars which all exist in the upper stratosphere of the Glycemic Index.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by Outstanding View Post
    PS: Regarding the juice vs. soda discussion... I would be one to subscribe the philosophy that sugar is sugar; the only difference is the carbonation. I would be hard pressed to subscribe to the notion that soda has a higher intrinsic ability to heighten insulin release opposed to fruit juice, which is also sugar laden and ounce-for-ounce almost identical concerning nutrition data. There is a very small variance of any meaningful or significant value between refined and processed simple sugars which all exist in the upper stratosphere of the Glycemic Index.
    dr.d sent me a pm agreeing with the soda over grape juice.
    GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!

  13. Only thing I don't like is the chemicals and ingredients versus grape juice, more in a long term or health wise out look but other than that I agree. Soda just really isn't conducive to health on any level. I'm a big proponent of the make up of diet makes a big difference versus just looking at macros.

  14. Quote Originally Posted by Grambo View Post
    Only thing I don't like is the chemicals and ingredients versus grape juice, more in a long term or health wise out look but other than that I agree. Soda just really isn't conducive to health on any level. I'm a big proponent of the make up of diet makes a big difference versus just looking at macros.
    i think it is the high fructose corn syrup in the sodas that is the cause of the insulin spike. i am a big fan of grape juice for the anti oxidents, but 1 soda once or twice a week can't be that bad for you???
    GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!

  15. Probably not honestly I am not a fan of HFCS at all for me but will a little kill you...prob not

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Grambo View Post
    Probably not honestly I am not a fan of HFCS at all for me but will a little kill you...prob not
    trust me, if it were not for the slinshot i would NOT be messin with it. i have been on a cut for so long that it's cool to have some latitude to fool around with different stuff like this. i think it will make it much easier for the pounds to come off when i go back to limiting carbs-believe me it's very cool to take a break like this.
    GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Outstanding View Post
    PS: Regarding the juice vs. soda discussion... I would be one to subscribe the philosophy that sugar is sugar; the only difference is the carbonation. I would be hard pressed to subscribe to the notion that soda has a higher intrinsic ability to heighten insulin release opposed to fruit juice, which is also sugar laden and ounce-for-ounce almost identical concerning nutrition data. There is a very small variance of any meaningful or significant value between refined and processed simple sugars which all exist in the upper stratosphere of the Glycemic Index.
    You need a nutrition course.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by zombiemuscle View Post
    You need a nutrition course.
    From your arrogant and abrasive drive by insult, I don't think it would be too far of a stretch to assume you're the man for the job of showing me the failures and near sighted limitations of my remedial grasp upon the optimal methods of nutrition utilization and stratagems.

    So, please professor... enlighten me on the dynamic shift in the insulin response mechanisms on the magnitude that would elicit measurably and significantly greater anabolism when clinically comparing the well documented and peer reviewed nutraceutical additives known as Juice ****tails/Drinks to Coca Cola.

    ...or... were you merely spreading your feathers too wide like a bored peahen caught a midst a bout of Internet boredom and decided to attack my founded logic based in years of study, formal education, applied science, and irrefutable logic - with your fleeting misstep of conceitedness?

  19. Quote Originally Posted by Outstanding View Post
    PS: Regarding the juice vs. soda discussion... I would be one to subscribe the philosophy that sugar is sugar; the only difference is the carbonation. I would be hard pressed to subscribe to the notion that soda has a higher intrinsic ability to heighten insulin release opposed to fruit juice, which is also sugar laden and ounce-for-ounce almost identical concerning nutrition data. There is a very small variance of any meaningful or significant value between refined and processed simple sugars which all exist in the upper stratosphere of the Glycemic Index.
    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    dr.d sent me a pm agreeing with the soda over grape juice.
    I'm not sure who Dr. D is, but I would be extremely impressed and truly left in shock to have anyone articulate a valid and substantiated argument that would demonstrate a clear dichotomy of efficacy in imparting hypertrophy which favors soda over a fruit ****tail or drink, which equals or exceeds the caloric content and sugar density of soda.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grambo View Post
    Only thing I don't like is the chemicals and ingredients versus grape juice, more in a long term or health wise out look but other than that I agree. Soda just really isn't conducive to health on any level. I'm a big proponent of the make up of diet makes a big difference versus just looking at macros.
    Agreed completely... aside from the potential bloating and the myriad of other long since demonstrated horrendous health lowering effects associated directly and indirectly with soda consumption and the absolute abject lack of nutritional value of any sort, I simply cannot advocate or find just cause for the inclusion of anything on a regular basis containing such overwhelming HFCS amounts in anyone's planned and progress-focused health concerned and anabolism driven stratagem.

  20. keep it coming, i am soaking this stuff up. i don't plan on using np's all the time but it is great to give myself a break from the low carbs. the more i experiment with diet on slinshot the more i will learn, so i am open to new ideas. i am convinced from the blood tests i did that slinshot effects blood sugar levels-now the key is how to best utilize this.
    GOD, FAMILY, COUNTRY!!!

  21. Quote Originally Posted by Outstanding View Post
    From your arrogant and abrasive drive by insult, I don't think it would be too far of a stretch to assume you're the man for the job of showing me the failures and near sighted limitations of my remedial grasp upon the optimal methods of nutrition utilization and stratagems.

    So, please professor... enlighten me on the dynamic shift in the insulin response mechanisms on the magnitude that would elicit measurably and significantly greater anabolism when clinically comparing the well documented and peer reviewed nutraceutical additives known as Juice ****tails/Drinks to Coca Cola.

    ...or... were you merely spreading your feathers too wide like a bored peahen caught a midst a bout of Internet boredom and decided to attack my founded logic based in years of study, formal education, applied science, and irrefutable logic - with your fleeting misstep of conceitedness?
    Maybe I was a bit blunt, but you should be open to learning new methods while navigating this forum. There is a lot of information here. Don't be scared of what you don't understand... Embrace it!

    Grape juice is at a 55 on the glycemic index, whereas high fructose corn syrup rates a 62. This means that HFCS will trigger a greater insulin response.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by zombiemuscle View Post
    Maybe I was a bit blunt, but you should be open to learning new methods while navigating this forum. There is a lot of information here. Don't be scared of what you don't understand... Embrace it!

    Grape juice is at a 55 on the glycemic index, whereas high fructose corn syrup rates a 62. This means that HFCS will trigger a greater insulin response.
    Thanks for taking a moment to explain; I didn't respond very well to your blunt approach and was left to accept it as insulting since it wasn't accompanied by any further explanation.

    I always leave myself wide open, admittedly so, always asking questions and offering up my own advice when I feel confident my knowledge is sufficient to provide sound logical guidance and counsel. I will respectfully say that in the expansive and sometimes misused data spectrum of the Glycemic Index, I do not believe a finite 5-7 point variance between Fruit Juice and Soda pop is a swift justification to opt for the heavily HFCS fortified carbonated beverage with preservatives, dyes and syrup additives into the otherwise carefully calculated nutritional regimen of an aspiring athlete; especially when taking the increased affinity for lipo genesis into account on behalf of the HFCS, a volatile and unhealthy modified belly fat proliferator.

    Per FDA regulations in labeling and consumer product sales, Fruit Juice can only be claimed and listed on the shelves if it is truly 100% pure, free of any additional sugars or artificial flavors/constituents. The much more ubiquitous juice drinks, known as Fruit c-o-c-ktails (virtually everything that comes with a straw, in a box or pouch, and comprises the hefty remainder of the aisle's retail real estate) is sugar fortified and has been outed as being even MORE calorie dense and the sugar source of choice for diabetics who have gone severely hypo. So, in closing I do not believe a small almost immeasurably insignificant dichotomy of insulin signaling potential among two products should lead the health minded anabolism concerned male/female to blindly choose the drink which exclaims massive amounts of HFCS and a slight spread in GI when an almost limitless cadre of other choices exist that will amplify overall health and still bring about the desired ultimate result of heightened nutrient shuttling into the muscle cells.

  23. wow you guys are makin my little brain hurt??

  24. Something I wanted to 'inject' into this thread and current discussion pertaining to insulin/glucose (which probably would be better served as a stand alone thread started with regards to its breadth of topic) would be current research including both GI and Glycemic Load of various foods, averaged out by institutions such as Harvard and published online.

    For example, the two foods that sit confidently atop the glycemic hierarchy would be dates and jasmine rice by all accounts; if we are excluding the obvious reigning king of pure glucose (something like this http://www.lucozade.com/sport/products/Default.aspx). I have implemented Dates as a part of my post workout regimen before, but the taste was far too much to handle and I reverted back to corn flakes, dextrose, etc. Jasmine rice is also uncontested in its overall pancreatic prowess (ha) tipping the measuring scales at a mind bending 109 (+/- 10) GI and an accompanying Glycemic Load also well above the 20 water mark... yet, I don't see aspiring bicep flexing gym rats tossing back a cup of dates and inhaling a steaming plate of Jasmine rice after their grueling bouts; why is this? As an aside but just as relevant... why not simply choose the direct source of it all, which is the powerhouse of insulin signaling all other carbs are measured by, and purchase a glucose drink or glucose tablets/powder in order to experience the most instant and dramatic spike in insulin possible without exogenous injection?

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Outstanding View Post
    Something I wanted to 'inject' into this thread and current discussion pertaining to insulin/glucose (which probably would be better served as a stand alone thread started with regards to its breadth of topic) would be current research including both GI and Glycemic Load of various foods, averaged out by institutions such as Harvard and published online.

    For example, the two foods that sit confidently atop the glycemic hierarchy would be dates and jasmine rice by all accounts; if we are excluding the obvious reigning king of pure glucose (something like this http://www.lucozade.com/sport/products/Default.aspx). I have implemented Dates as a part of my post workout regimen before, but the taste was far too much to handle and I reverted back to corn flakes, dextrose, etc. Jasmine rice is also uncontested in its overall pancreatic prowess (ha) tipping the measuring scales at a mind bending 109 (+/- 10) GI and an accompanying Glycemic Load also well above the 20 water mark... yet, I don't see aspiring bicep flexing gym rats tossing back a cup of dates and inhaling a steaming plate of Jasmine rice after their grueling bouts; why is this? As an aside but just as relevant... why not simply choose the direct source of it all, which is the powerhouse of insulin signaling all other carbs are measured by, and purchase a glucose drink or glucose tablets/powder in order to experience the most instant and dramatic spike in insulin possible without exogenous injection?
    So you have any studies that were ever conducted showing that someone eating the most high glycemic carbs post wo gained more LBM because of "Insulin spike" over someone who relied solely on say Oats? do you have any studies showing the affect of reoccurring "Insulin Spiking", or better what happens when someone ingests 50-100g of sugar 5 times per week for 6-8 months / year for a number of years? You really think this brologic of "Insulin Spiking" using the most nutrient deprived High GI carbohydrate sources is healthy for anyone , bodybuilder or otherwise? If you have literature showing that HFCS or Dextrose lead to more Lean mass due to insulin spiking in the post workout timeframe with no adverse long term health effects I would die to see them. Who cares if Glucose spikes insulin more than anything but its nowhere near injecting even 1-2 IU of Humalog. Dextrose, HFCS, glucose whatever sugars you liike arent healthy and the slight increase of insulin versus a slow digesting carbohydrate are not going to increase lean mass gains.
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