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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyfool405 View Post
    yes a much greater margin between the 2 but what was your starting glucose (this is important)

    another thing to note is the difference in insulin responce from a pure OGTT and from a large meal with all 3 macros.

    the numbers are not bad at all but i wish you wouldve had starting numbers to see how big the responce was.

    for instance take the serving then test levels immediatly (arguments sake its 80)

    wait 30 min test again PRIOR to meal ( hopefully the same but preferably lower lets say 70)

    then eat and wait 30 minutes after eating and test again (120 what you got) see what im saying.

    and then repeat the same thing with same meal without the slin shot and see what the difference is.

    only true way to test.
    i know my testing was very amatuerish, but i had my wife do it for me and i am sure she wasn't thrilled about my using her dads test strips. tbh i was just thrilled to get any results at all.

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    i hear ya man!

    you know for next time lol good stuff with your results!
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyfool405 View Post
    i hear ya man!

    you know for next time lol good stuff with your results!
    i have a much cheaper meter than my father in law, the strips are a lot cheaper too. next time i will buy some strips and record reading from the start.


    this was a trail and error experience for me, next time i will be much better prepared. but i am going to go out on a limb and say i honestly feel slinshot had a definite effect on blood glucose.


    i learned a lot of useful stuff from this thread, and i want to thank everyone for contributing very informative ideas and opinions. the next time i run this or any other np i will be much more informed.


    big thanks to grambo and purus labs for this opportunity, i really enjoyed the product.
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    Nice job T and I am learning this game right along with you. Makes life a little more fun for us older carb sensitive guys!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    Nice job T and I am learning this game right along with you. Makes life a little more fun for us older carb sensitive guys!!
    i learned a lot during this log, but it just shows me how much more i need to learn. but yeah, it is kinda fun learning new stuff, lol.
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    With these NPs we can actually have our cake and eat it too!! hehheh
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    i have a much cheaper meter than my father in law, the strips are a lot cheaper too. next time i will buy some strips and record reading from the start.


    this was a trail and error experience for me, next time i will be much better prepared. but i am going to go out on a limb and say i honestly feel slinshot had a definite effect on blood glucose.


    i learned a lot of useful stuff from this thread, and i want to thank everyone for contributing very informative ideas and opinions. the next time i run this or any other np i will be much more informed.


    big thanks to grambo and purus labs for this opportunity, i really enjoyed the product.
    Thanks for the positive review buddy you were a great logger! Appreciate all the good info you were able to post up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grambo View Post
    Thanks for the positive review buddy you were a great logger! Appreciate all the good info you were able to post up.
    thanks, i had a lot of help from guys who really know what they are doing. i think slinshot has a lot of potential-particularly when ran with creatine. i really enjoyed this product and am grateful for the opportunity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    With these NPs we can actually have our cake and eat it too!! hehheh
    man, i am just starting to tap into their potential. np's just might be the turning point for cut cycles, imo. it seems obvious their benefit on bulk cycles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    With these NPs we can actually have our cake and eat it too!! hehheh
    Well...... I tried that, not so much, haha!

    NPs/GDAs are most efficacious when used in conjunction with an already sound and calculated nutritional protocol in order to offer an amplified effect. Aside from perhaps large dosages of Metformin paired with Cytomel, Tren-Acetate, Anavar, and C-HCL I don't know of anything that will allow me to have some Betty Crocker 'Super Moist' and not transform into a spherical bloated mess!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outstanding View Post
    Well...... I tried that, not so much, haha!

    NPs/GDAs are most efficacious when used in conjunction with an already sound and calculated nutritional protocol in order to offer an amplified effect. Aside from perhaps large dosages of Metformin paired with Cytomel, Tren-Acetate, Anavar, and C-HCL I don't know of anything that will allow me to have some Betty Crocker 'Super Moist' and not transform into a spherical bloated mess!
    Well said Outstanding. Same way here, I don't picture me ever being able to eat 250+ grams of carbs except on refeed days again if I want to maintain this level of leaness (is that a word?). They do an amazing job of helping with proper disposal of carbs once you find the one that works best for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    Well said Outstanding. Same way here, I don't picture me ever being able to eat 250+ grams of carbs except on refeed days again if I want to maintain this level of leaness (is that a word?). They do an amazing job of helping with proper disposal of carbs once you find the one that works best for you.
    as with all supps-they will help-but the heavy lifting is still up to the user.
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    Oh I agree totally here guys. I was just being humorous with that comment. This supplement will only accentuate an already well planned diet and help keep you sane when trying to cut.
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    i personaly use NPs as a safety net on designated cheat or refeed days), and to enhance fat burning along with keepin fat off during a bulk which are main reasons, but the plust to most are multi funtion that help with more then just sugar control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyfool405 View Post
    i personaly use NPs as a safety net on designated cheat or refeed days), and to enhance fat burning along with keepin fat off during a bulk which are main reasons, but the plust to most are multi funtion that help with more then just sugar control.
    Such as creatine uptake efficiency and better utilization of the food we consume daily?

    I have stated before, and will repeat myself... I have never been so intrigued by the theory and science/eventual effect that all revolve around GDAs - especially with specific focus on the bodybuilder's ultimate physique aspirations; but could carry over to the general population as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oufinny View Post
    Well said Outstanding. Same way here, I don't picture me ever being able to eat 250+ grams of carbs except on refeed days again if I want to maintain this level of leaness (is that a word?). They do an amazing job of helping with proper disposal of carbs once you find the one that works best for you.
    "Leanness," you just left out an 'n.'

    Thanks for the compliment - and have a great Memorial Day Weekend (which... ironically, will probably end up necessitating a LOT of GDAs during the barbecue festivities, hahaha!!!)

    Quote Originally Posted by thebigt View Post
    as with all supps-they will help-but the heavy lifting is still up to the user.
    That should be put on a label... reworded a little bit and maybe with some black and yellow construction caution graphics! "DO OPERATE heavy machinery while using THIS PRODUCT!" (Ohhhhh I like it, I'm going to trade mark it!) Call the supplement line "Body Blue Print"


    Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    Oh I agree totally here guys. I was just being humorous with that comment. This supplement will only accentuate an already well planned diet and help keep you sane when trying to cut.
    Yellow Cake, chocolate icing.... cough cough Metformin/hGH/T3/Clenbuterol/Glycobol/Slin-Sane/Humulin-R "Hey, no fat accumulation!!!"
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    Yellow Cake, chocolate icing.... cough cough Metformin/hGH/T3/Clenbuterol/Glycobol/Slin-Sane/Humulin-R "Hey, no fat accumulation!!!"

    I wish I could eat cake. My birthday is next month so maybe a slice then. So far SS is the only product on that list I have used. Aside from GBol, the others don't really appeal to me. Getting ready to log ASGT/AP for LG so I might be posting up pics...
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    Yellow Cake, chocolate icing.... cough cough Metformin/hGH/T3/Clenbuterol/Glycobol/Slin-Sane/Humulin-R "Hey, no fat accumulation!!!"

    I wish I could eat cake. My birthday is next month so maybe a slice then. So far SS is the only product on that list I have used. Aside from GBol, the others don't really appeal to me. Getting ready to log ASGT/AP for LG so I might be posting up pics...
    Ahhh yes, pics! That would be nice. I always hold a certain respect for the gents who lay it on the line and post their pictures online for the World to see.

    Why can't you eat cake? Are you prepping for a show? The secret to life... is B. Crocker's Super Moist yellow cake with chocolate icing; adding ever so slightly more veg. oil than the box calls for, in order to produce an insanely rich and creamy orgasmic base residing just beneath the warm dark icing. I like food.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outstanding View Post
    Ahhh yes, pics! That would be nice. I always hold a certain respect for the gents who lay it on the line and post their pictures online for the World to see.

    Why can't you eat cake? Are you prepping for a show? The secret to life... is B. Crocker's Super Moist yellow cake with chocolate icing; adding ever so slightly more veg. oil than the box calls for, in order to produce an insanely rich and creamy orgasmic base residing just beneath the warm dark icing. I like food.
    I PREFER GERMAN CHOCOLATE CAKE WITH COCONUT ICING.
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    I'm a pie man myself!! And yes hair pie would be included...
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    Would it be safe to inject pure insulin to increase anabolism?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zombiemuscle View Post
    Would it be safe to inject pure insulin to increase anabolism?
    Really playing with fire here. You can get in a world of hurt fast with this stuff if not educated on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zombiemuscle View Post
    Would it be safe to inject pure insulin to increase anabolism?
    Safe, no. Incredibly Anabolic? Yes.

    Safety is relative... it is life threatening to cross the street, or drive to work on a daily basis - however we subscribe to certain behaviors and patterns such as looking both ways or obeying the speed limit and wearing a seat restraint.

    Insulin, much like DNP, are both vilified in an unfair and intellectually dishonest light. If you are an educated and calculating bodybuilder who is exacting in all their efforts with a solid set of cumulative years of consistent training who is fervent about making progress once that physiological wall is encountered rendering us all at an anabolic stale mate - then Insulin can be used wisely and with utmost efficacy by those who run it concurrently with other AAS and thyroid potentiating drugs to mitigate adipogenesis.

    I can understand and even uphold (to a point) the horrendous collection of disinformation circulating in the cyber sphere regarding Insulin, because every eighteen year old with a gym membership who over hears Johnny Benchpress mention steroids, wants to immediately board the fast train to magazine cover worthy proportions. If pouring gasoline on yourself and then inviting friends over to have a bonfire was purported to build slabs of muscle by some meat head with their arms out to the side doing their best impersonation of a 747 coming in for the landing, someone would try it.

    Insulin is an irrefutable powerhouse of limitless potential, but never underestimate the just-as-powerful (and dangerous) philosophy of more = better being enacted by an unlearned teenager who jabs himself in the stomach with 100iu's of Humulin because he didn't know normal syringes couldn't be used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outstanding View Post
    Safe, no. Incredibly Anabolic? Yes.

    Safety is relative... it is life threatening to cross the street, or drive to work on a daily basis - however we subscribe to certain behaviors and patterns such as looking both ways or obeying the speed limit and wearing a seat restraint.

    Insulin, much like DNP, are both vilified in an unfair and intellectually dishonest light. If you are an educated and calculating bodybuilder who is exacting in all their efforts with a solid set of cumulative years of consistent training who is fervent about making progress once that physiological wall is encountered rendering us all at an anabolic stale mate - then Insulin can be used wisely and with utmost efficacy by those who run it concurrently with other AAS and thyroid potentiating drugs to mitigate adipogenesis.

    I can understand and even uphold (to a point) the horrendous collection of disinformation circulating in the cyber sphere regarding Insulin, because every eighteen year old with a gym membership who over hears Johnny Benchpress mention steroids, wants to immediately board the fast train to magazine cover worthy proportions. If pouring gasoline on yourself and then inviting friends over to have a bonfire was purported to build slabs of muscle by some meat head with their arms out to the side doing their best impersonation of a 747 coming in for the landing, someone would try it.

    Insulin is an irrefutable powerhouse of limitless potential, but never underestimate the just-as-powerful (and dangerous) philosophy of more = better being enacted by an unlearned teenager who jabs himself in the stomach with 100iu's of Humulin because he didn't know normal syringes couldn't be used.

    How effective would it be do supplement T3/T4 thyroid compounds? Without insulin or AAS...
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    Quote Originally Posted by zombiemuscle View Post
    How effective would it be do supplement T3/T4 thyroid compounds? Without insulin or AAS...
    For cutting? I would try to use some sort of androgen with T3 supplementation. But it can be used without at slightly lower dosages. The idea that suddenly your muscles will disappear with their use is unfounded in my opinion.
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    bump for all the good info!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by zombiemuscle View Post
    How effective would it be do supplement T3/T4 thyroid compounds? Without insulin or AAS...
    Well for fat loss Cytomel will always be effective, and T4 purportedly converts with enough efficiency to T3 in vivo to manifest comparable results all while off setting the GH suppression usually encountered while on Cytomel. In my opinion, Cytomel is still the method of choice when given the option between these two drugs. Now, as far as possible thyroid induced atrophy on lean tissue, this will of course happen if you are not actively dosing some AAS intervention measures; but as Grambo said, it isn't as dramatic or expedient as some sensationalists would have you believe (who ironically probably don't have any experience directly with the drug anyway, they simply parrot text book rhetoric).

    You will feel lethargic and your muscle fullness will disappear, but you will not wake up the following morning after a 50mcg dose of Cytomel and be unable to brush your teeth because you've withered away to a skin-and-bones muscle devoid ghost. That being said, the detrimental effects realized can be slowed with the utmost dedication to training and nutrition, but why risk taking even microscopic steps backward when you could simply administer Test/Tren and overcome all catabolic conditions wrought by an artificially amplified thyroidal function? Remember, Cytomel increases the PTO rate and hence necessitates a higher ingestion of protein and muscle sparing nutrients to circumvent the inevitable proteolysis and inability to sustain anabolic levels of nitrogen retention.
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    Supplementing kelp (iodine source) and l-tyrosine can boost thyroid function naturally.

    I have used bioidentical T3T4 in the past and it gave me tons of energy. I quit use of it because it decreased my appetite.
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    Hello, I got a few questions about Purus Slingshot.

    Is it meant to be taken pre or post workout?

    If I can take it pre workout, can I take with muscle marinade or just SS?

    Do I need to eat carbs when I take the Slingshot?

    Thanks in advance
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xupeta View Post
    Hello, I got a few questions about Purus Slingshot.

    Is it meant to be taken pre or post workout?

    If I can take it pre workout, can I take with muscle marinade or just SS?

    Do I need to eat carbs when I take the Slingshot?

    Thanks in advance
    ALWAYS take with carbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zombiemuscle View Post
    ALWAYS take with carbs.
    Thanks, I'll plan to take it with a protein shake mixed with bananas or strawberries with honey and flax seed .

    But what about the other questions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xupeta View Post
    Hello, I got a few questions about Purus Slingshot.

    Is it meant to be taken pre or post workout?

    If I can take it pre workout, can I take with muscle marinade or just SS?

    Do I need to eat carbs when I take the Slingshot?

    Thanks in advance
    1. Post workout and pre next biggest carb meals are the optimal ways to use SS. It can be prefermce though and you're welcome to give a few different things a try.
    2. I'd use MM pre and SS post IMO
    3. Carb intake is where your results from SS are going to show and shine. There are some theories about taking it In a low carb enviornment to increase lipolysis. In theory it could be used but i think pre carbs are the best way for now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grambo View Post
    1. Post workout and pre next biggest carb meals are the optimal ways to use SS. It can be prefermce though and you're welcome to give a few different things a try.
    2. I'd use MM pre and SS post IMO
    3. Carb intake is where your results from SS are going to show and shine. There are some theories about taking it In a low carb enviornment to increase lipolysis. In theory it could be used but i think pre carbs are the best way for now.
    Thanks for the response, that cleared up for me. Well Im going to take MM for pre and SS post with waxy maize & a shake with protein, honey, bananas or strawberries(or both) with oats. Well you mentioned pre carbs, you meant I would take waxy maize then my MM, and then take it post workout with SS in conjunction with my protein shake?

    I found this waxy maize by IDS on BB.com looks like its promising
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xupeta View Post
    Thanks for the response, that cleared up for me. Well Im going to take MM for pre and SS post with waxy maize & a shake with protein, honey, bananas or strawberries(or both) with oats. Well you mentioned pre carbs, you meant I would take waxy maize then my MM, and then take it post workout with SS in conjunction with my protein shake?

    I found this waxy maize by IDS on BB.com looks like its promising
    You might try some rice. Real rice, steamed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zombiemuscle View Post
    You might try some rice. Real rice, steamed.
    In replace of the waxy maize? or my other plan wasn't good?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xupeta View Post
    In replace of the waxy maize? or my other plan wasn't good?
    Just try it to see what works best for you then let us know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zombiemuscle View Post
    Just try it to see what works best for you then let us know.
    alright, now i just need cooked rice that shouldn't be a problem. I will start taking it soon, just need to heal from an injury at work, thx again guys for the info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zombiemuscle View Post
    You might try some rice. Real rice, steamed.
    Jasmine and Basmati Rice contain nearly the highest Glycemic indexes and loads of any food ever recorded. White rice and brown rice really don't differ all that much, same with whole wheat bread and white bread - the dichotomy of GI regarding white/wheat really isn't all that diverse or significant.

    To increase the GI and GL even further, purchase the instant variety rice, as they have already been modified to cook quickly and will digest even faster to spike insulin with unparalleled rapidity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outstanding View Post
    Jasmine and Basmati Rice contain nearly the highest Glycemic indexes and loads of any food ever recorded. White rice and brown rice really don't differ all that much, same with whole wheat bread and white bread - the dichotomy of GI regarding white/wheat really isn't all that diverse or significant.

    To increase the GI and GL even further, purchase the instant variety rice, as they have already been modified to cook quickly and will digest even faster to spike insulin with unparalleled rapidity.
    Haha Jasmine and basmati are the only ones i eat...
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