- 05-16-2010, 03:01 PM
Grape juice is at a 55 on the glycemic index, whereas high fructose corn syrup rates a 62. This means that HFCS will trigger a greater insulin response.
- 05-16-2010, 03:52 PM
I always leave myself wide open, admittedly so, always asking questions and offering up my own advice when I feel confident my knowledge is sufficient to provide sound logical guidance and counsel. I will respectfully say that in the expansive and sometimes misused data spectrum of the Glycemic Index, I do not believe a finite 5-7 point variance between Fruit Juice and Soda pop is a swift justification to opt for the heavily HFCS fortified carbonated beverage with preservatives, dyes and syrup additives into the otherwise carefully calculated nutritional regimen of an aspiring athlete; especially when taking the increased affinity for lipo genesis into account on behalf of the HFCS, a volatile and unhealthy modified belly fat proliferator.
Per FDA regulations in labeling and consumer product sales, Fruit Juice can only be claimed and listed on the shelves if it is truly 100% pure, free of any additional sugars or artificial flavors/constituents. The much more ubiquitous juice drinks, known as Fruit c-o-c-ktails (virtually everything that comes with a straw, in a box or pouch, and comprises the hefty remainder of the aisle's retail real estate) is sugar fortified and has been outed as being even MORE calorie dense and the sugar source of choice for diabetics who have gone severely hypo. So, in closing I do not believe a small almost immeasurably insignificant dichotomy of insulin signaling potential among two products should lead the health minded anabolism concerned male/female to blindly choose the drink which exclaims massive amounts of HFCS and a slight spread in GI when an almost limitless cadre of other choices exist that will amplify overall health and still bring about the desired ultimate result of heightened nutrient shuttling into the muscle cells.
- 05-16-2010, 05:13 PM
05-16-2010, 10:34 PM
Something I wanted to 'inject' into this thread and current discussion pertaining to insulin/glucose (which probably would be better served as a stand alone thread started with regards to its breadth of topic) would be current research including both GI and Glycemic Load of various foods, averaged out by institutions such as Harvard and published online.
For example, the two foods that sit confidently atop the glycemic hierarchy would be dates and jasmine rice by all accounts; if we are excluding the obvious reigning king of pure glucose (something like this http://www.lucozade.com/sport/products/Default.aspx). I have implemented Dates as a part of my post workout regimen before, but the taste was far too much to handle and I reverted back to corn flakes, dextrose, etc. Jasmine rice is also uncontested in its overall pancreatic prowess (ha) tipping the measuring scales at a mind bending 109 (+/- 10) GI and an accompanying Glycemic Load also well above the 20 water mark... yet, I don't see aspiring bicep flexing gym rats tossing back a cup of dates and inhaling a steaming plate of Jasmine rice after their grueling bouts; why is this? As an aside but just as relevant... why not simply choose the direct source of it all, which is the powerhouse of insulin signaling all other carbs are measured by, and purchase a glucose drink or glucose tablets/powder in order to experience the most instant and dramatic spike in insulin possible without exogenous injection?
05-16-2010, 10:52 PM
05-17-2010, 09:53 AM
Regarding your other notion, as I interpreted it, you are bolstering gym goers to turn their backs upon the manipulation and harnessing of one of the most anabolic hormone cascading events in existence, in favor of rolled oats, all in a purported conquest to avoid some sort of health deteriorating and eroding after effects wrought by the measured and controlled once daily ingestion of rice cakes and dates? Allow me to counter your supposition laced misdirected dissertation laden with underhanded smirks, nudges, and scoffs with a petition of my own for any even remotely related shred or thread of scientific affirming testimony fortifying and vindicating your farcical antiquated theories. I openly and arduously campaign for illuminating dissenting dialog throughout all forums and facets of life, but I can't even conjure the necessary will to highlight and extinguish your baseless primitive uncultivated prognostications.
05-17-2010, 10:29 AM
Damn...my Thesaurus hurts guys!!
Always open light. Itís not what you open with, itís what you finish with. Louie Simmons
05-17-2010, 11:07 AM
So is this a big word d**k measuring contest now? A lot of back and forth bickering and run on sentences... yet no real information to take in. Keep to the facts you are presenting so people can actually chime in and we all can learn or just take it to PMs.
05-17-2010, 11:42 AM
I refuse to degrade my years and tuition dollars/intellect and passion for sharing knowledge and gaining it from others, down to the lowest common denominator by pecking away lazily at a keyboard with short hand and acronyms - my original impetus remains unchanged; I was merely posing the question why we don't as a whole/collective consume non traditional foods that are equivalent to Dextrose/Vitargo/Maltodextrin in their Glycemic load and index in an attempt to save money and still reap the optimal well established benefits of enhancing post workout insulin release in conjunction with GDAs such as Slin Sane (which I have been enjoying for the past weeks of usage, similar to the OP).
05-17-2010, 11:52 AM
did 1 hour and 15 minutes on treadmill. at the start i did 2 slinshot and then 6 oz grape juice with 3gms creapue/3gm bcaa's. when finished i took 2 slinshot and the grape juice mix but added a glucose chewable that they give to diabetic's. 2 slinshot pre was just too much with only 30 carbs-started getting a little hypo about 20 minutes in but fored my self to finish. tomorrow i will go back to the 1 cap pre and post-i guess i am too sensitive to the slinshot to use 2 caps. as to the effects of the glucose chewable-fantastic, i highly recommend.
slinsot is proving-to me at least, to be very effective.
todays weigh in 196, thats -2. i am very pleased.
05-17-2010, 11:56 AM
05-17-2010, 12:02 PM
I took (6) Glycobol and (4) Slin Shot prior to my usual Saturday cheat meal (Stuffed Crust Pizza followed by a brownie with ice cream on top) along with 100mg of Vanadyl Sulfate and 1g of Chromium, and I still ended up getting massive sugar spiking response and water retention/bloating (even leading into the following day). I believe the worthiness of these supplements lies more in their inclusion of a well structured nutritional protocol, rather than trying to mitigate possible fat accrual in response to a provocative glucose challenge such as a cheat meal - what do you think Big T?
05-17-2010, 12:14 PM
I look forward to being here, and will continue to conduct myself and author my posts to the best of my ability and feel confident that approach will be met with more approval than disapproval.
Now, back to Slin Sane's ability to nullify insulins ability to manifest new adipose tissue and enhance creatine uptake independent of the insulin pathway mechanism.
05-17-2010, 12:24 PM
There's also a load of fat in that stuff as well so you can't say it was just the sugar. You can't just eat what you want so much even with this. I bet you can add in more carbs to a cut or help with good nutritional plan eating over naintenance and might give you a little more wiggle room.
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05-17-2010, 06:41 PM
Triceps in T-Minus 20 minutes... I have been waiting the recommended full two hours between pre-workout meal and training. Took my two Slin Shot and made some delicious turkey breast and oatmeal bread sandwiches.
05-17-2010, 06:47 PM
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05-17-2010, 07:28 PM
wow 6 glycobol and 4 slinshot prior to a meal and your glycemia remained high through the next day? thats no bueno.
never do that! split the dose pre meal and mid meal!
05-18-2010, 05:35 PM
had another great workout-dosing remained the same 1cap slinshot and then 3 gms creapure, 3gms bcaa and 6 oz grape juice pre and post workout the 1 cap slinshot and 15 minutes later same drink mix.
i did 20 minutes stairmaster/20 minutes rowing/30 minutes treadmill.
i decided that i wanted a little cheat so i bought a snickers bar and ate it about 10 minutes after finishing my post workout drink mix. damn, i haven't had a snickers in a long time-damn thing just seemed like a taste of heaven. got home feeling good and then i crashed from the sugar and slept great.
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05-24-2010, 07:20 PM
TOMORROW IS LAST DOSE OF SLINSHOT. i am down 3 pounds since i started the slinshot-this is while adding extra carbs pre and post workout and extra carbs at my big meal of the day. also i added 3 grams creapure pre and post and still lost 3 pounds-this is incredible since my muscles filled out and i look much more swole than at the start. usually i gain at least 5-7 pounds on creatine. with the limited amount of strips i had to use, i still proved-to myself at least, that slinshot has a definite effect on blood sugar. i am taking a break from nutrient partioners then i am planning on using one again-if i decide to stay on creatine my 1st choice will be slinshot, since i feel slinshot/creatine are very compatible. best results i have ever had on creatine-thanks in part to the slinshot i am positive.
05-24-2010, 07:39 PM
05-24-2010, 07:44 PM
i would have liked to have done a more thorough testing, but i was using my father in laws strips and had a very limited supply-those damned things are expensive, lol.
05-24-2010, 07:46 PM
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05-24-2010, 08:09 PM
ok, i took 2 slinshot waited 15 minutes then ate a big meal including 75 carbs. waited 20 minutes-blood sugar was 123.
took 2 slinshot on totally empty stomach, waited 20 minutes-blood sugar was 112.
i don't know that much about blood sugar levels but to me i was expecting a much greater margin between the 2?????
05-24-2010, 08:35 PM
yes a much greater margin between the 2 but what was your starting glucose (this is important)
another thing to note is the difference in insulin responce from a pure OGTT and from a large meal with all 3 macros.
the numbers are not bad at all but i wish you wouldve had starting numbers to see how big the responce was.
for instance take the serving then test levels immediatly (arguments sake its 80)
wait 30 min test again PRIOR to meal ( hopefully the same but preferably lower lets say 70)
then eat and wait 30 minutes after eating and test again (120 what you got) see what im saying.
and then repeat the same thing with same meal without the slin shot and see what the difference is.
only true way to test.
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