Promagnon Is Back!!! Introducing CEL PMag
- 04-20-2009, 11:04 PM
- 04-20-2009, 11:06 PM
- 04-20-2009, 11:59 PM
Looking forward to your results!
04-21-2009, 11:29 AM
no offense taken whatsoever brotha. Forums need MORE skeptics IMO
Feel free to ask any questions or offer suggestions
there's a log from someone with IBS or colitis here on AM somewhere. He used Gut Health and had something like 30 days of significantly reduced symptoms. I'm not recommending a supplement for you because that would be bogus medical advice. I'm just saying that it might be something that you could research and look into a little.
04-21-2009, 02:19 PM
04-21-2009, 05:15 PM
Hey celc5, im new to these forums and have just ordered pmag and cycle assist and am totally stoked about it getting here. I just wanted to say hi and find out about you and your stats (height, weight, age) just to do a compare of your cycle amount to what I should run. Thanks
04-21-2009, 05:30 PM
04-21-2009, 05:35 PM
04-21-2009, 05:38 PM
04-21-2009, 05:42 PM
If the gyno flares up, I'm gonna do a longish EOD run with Torem to get rid of it once and for all.
Edit: btw, I'd run Hyperdrol but for whatever reason it wrecks my stomach. I ran it once just fine but have had trouble with it since the latest batches. I've had a few friends who ordered it before and liked it. Then picked up another bottle last fall and couldn't tolerate it... it was weird ???
04-21-2009, 05:52 PM
04-21-2009, 05:52 PM
I ran the HDX2 myself last year and had a tab bit of the squirts...not too bad. It's the Forskolin in it. I kinda got used to it after a week though, but still going with the aPCT.
I was looking around for other 6-Bromo sources, but I just trust AX. I did notice IDS had a Bromo out, but than again do I "trust" them anymore.
04-21-2009, 11:22 PM
04-21-2009, 11:38 PM
04-21-2009, 11:45 PM
04-21-2009, 11:53 PM
What are expected gains for Promagnon type stuff? I looked up some old p-25 reviews and one received no gains while the other only received 3-4 lbs. They also recommended it with Max-lmg on one of the logs I read.
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04-22-2009, 12:07 AM
After rereading my reply to you, don't necessarily interpret "newbie friendly" as less productive. I fully expect to gain something 6 or 8 lean pounds on this cycle with minimal negative effects. It's a win win situation IMO.
I've dabbled with AX aPCT before and it kicked almost like hyperdrol. I've never ran it for pct but expect it to be just fine.
Tuesday, April 21, 2009
3 Cap P-Mag
1 x 2 pumps CEL Formestane
Fellas I gotta say that libido has increased steadily over the past 2-3 days. My girl made a comment tonight that we have went at it every night since Friday, which was day 1 of the cycle. That's more than usual, maybe more like EOD typically. I've also been noticing women and oggling like a creep more than usual too.
I suspect the TD form is the culprit for the libido boost, even though I'm dosing pretty darn low. At the same time, there's a handful of people who report a libido boost from promagnon so it could be either one or the combo.
Muscle fullness was noticable today, but nothing drastic. I worked a really looooooong day today and plugged away nicely. I hope that mental clarity stays sharp later in this cycle. I think I had a bit of "fogginess" with quick decision making at the end of my Pheraplex run.
04-22-2009, 08:35 AM
04-22-2009, 09:10 AM
Hey Celc5, I wanted to ask you how many calories your taking in and carbs and protein your getting also? I just got off an awesome 90 day run where I went from 256 to 204 so I have lost a bunch of fat and I want to add a little size but at the same time keeping my fat the same or better peeling off my last 10lbs or so. So I wanted to see what you thought of how many cals I should hit daily to peel off some bf and add the lean muscle?? Also I workout early in the mornings with circuit training where its a cardio based weight lifting. Do you think that that will work well with the pmag? Thanks for any insight you can give me!
04-22-2009, 11:30 AM
Two things to remember - a batch for us is several thousand bottles. Just because a couple people dont respond well to a certain product doesnt make a batch bad. Individual response varies with everything including ph's. Also, anyone can leave a review, whether they actually take the product or not.
04-22-2009, 01:00 PM
I like the 1.6g pro/lb bw rule. That's what science recommends for positive nitrogen balance. I lose muscle real fast any time my pro gets any lower than that.
I match my carbs gram for gram with protein most of the time. So yesterday was about 315 each for example. I don't keep track of fat but I don't shy away from steak, pork, eggs either. Plus I take a few grams of fish oil per day. So I'd guess fat to swing from 50g most days to 80g maybe 2 or 3 times per week.
I've had a much different path than you body composition wise. I'd pretty much be built like Beavis and Butthead if I didn't eat like this all year round and workout regularly Therefore, I can't in good conscience recommend a specific diet for you.
IMO the negative posts were suspicious. That was my initial thought when I saw them anyhow.
04-22-2009, 04:23 PM
04-22-2009, 07:20 PM
Glad ur in brozilla
Wednesday, April 22, 2009
3 Caps P-Mag
1 x 2 CEL Formestane
No beating around the bush, I'm flat out fried from my work schedule over the past 2 weeks. Motivation to lift tonight was poor. But, dang I plugged away and had a really decent lift. I suspect that the compound is starting to "kick in" just a little already and helped with during workout drive.
Muscle fullness and vasularity were up a little today. And despite my whiney pansy asss mood, I had real nice mind muscle connection on a few lifts that aren't my forte. For example, I decided to throw in a preacher machine for this cycle, which I normally don't really get a good burn from. I was pleasantly surprised that I really nailed that particular lift tonight.
There is also a slight aggression increase. I found myself going out of my way to be confrontational in general conversation. I must have did it 2 or 3 times before I caught myself. I stood in the corner for a timeout and snapped out of it
04-22-2009, 08:42 PM
04-22-2009, 09:10 PM
are you as amazed as i am with the quick reactions we seem to be getting from these new cel products? wasn't expecting to get much first week. think maybe it's the formestane, i really reacted well to it when running solo.
04-23-2009, 11:34 AM
Hey this might sound dumb but I actually have a bottle of h-drol and p-mag and wanted to know if I use the p-mag and then use the h-drol for the second part of the cycle, would that be ok? Or it would it just be better to pick up another bottle of the p-mag??
04-23-2009, 11:42 AM
with the TD form and Xtren, I'm not surprised at all with quick response. I don't think the P-Mag is in full effect yet, but I'm starting to look tighter in the mirror in the chest and abs. Arms look full but I'm not sure it's a muscle pump full or maybe some water retention. I'll get out the calipers this weekend and I think the skinfolds will show if there's some bloat.
I've heard your Pmag/hdrol idea quite often so I'm gonna say it's not as dumb as you suggested in your post But, to be honest, I'm just not seeing the novelty. In my opinion, just pick up 2 bottles of one or the other.
I suspect that people think that stacking causes an additive gains effect. I'm not convinced that will occur with these 2 compounds. I also think that even the popular stacks increase gains slightly, but doesn't sound like it's worth the more difficult recovery in my personal opinion.
04-23-2009, 01:38 PM
04-23-2009, 02:23 PM
IMO choose Pmag if mass is your priority. Choose Hdrol if cleaning up bodyfat is your priority. Both should be really close both in terms of mass and fat loss though. Win win IMO.
Just a quick update.
Fellas, gyno is most definately down as of last night and this morning. I've been down this road before with getting my hopes up as it seems to roller coaster. But seriously, this is the most noticable decrease in lump size that I've had in a 2 day period. CEL's TD form is the real deal, no doubt about it. I'm keeping my fingers crossed!
Mood is excellent too btw
04-23-2009, 03:56 PM
good luck with this one man. promag was my first cycle ever and i absolutely loved it no joke...i was depressed whe i found out they banned it. but im so stoked again! great job cel. i know it was my first cycle but i gained close to 20lbs of weight and minimal fat gain. and felt AWESOME the whole time i was on it. ive tried mdrol and im currently running tren but i think promag will always have a special spot in my heart...that said ill be running 2 bottles worth for my next cycle, only sides i got from it were great pump, tighter shirts, and alittle shedding(my dads almost bald anyways so im prone haha)
04-23-2009, 05:33 PM
Hey celc I didn't take offense I knew what you meant man!! But yeah I think I will just go with the p mag and then later on use the hdrol with something else. After you finish a pct do u wait for another cycle, is it about the same length as the cycle u were on, that u need to wait for? Like a 6 wk cycle with 4 wks pct so u would take off 10 wks before another cycle?
04-23-2009, 05:34 PM
Thanks for the feedback Nasty. From what I've seen, it's pretty close to almost all positive reviews on the compound. And I agree... I think either H-drol or P-mag are excellent first cycle choices. I have some cycle experience, but honestly prefer the mild ones with easy recovery and low incidence of sides.
One side note, Promagnon25 was never banned. I don't think it was ever purposely dicontinued either. I'd assume that a company was thrown together just because they got a good deal on a big batch of the raws. ...or maybe they were offiliated with a company that didn't want to have a ph reputation for some reason But anyways, I'd just assumed they probably just ran out of their supply... just my thoughts and opinions on what could have possibly happened. And now who cares? The CEL clone seems legit so far
04-23-2009, 06:43 PM
04-23-2009, 09:27 PM
Hey guys, I take sizeOn and superPump250 daily, I think I was ready not to take ore workout drinks and creatine while on cycle, is that correct?
04-23-2009, 09:30 PM
04-23-2009, 11:06 PM
The popular broski plan is:
Time ON + PCT = time off
However, IMO this is waaay too short of a time period and leads to erratic hormonal issues. I suspect this to be the biggest cause of my mild gyno, of course next to using SD. IMO 1-2 cycles per year is still pushing it. If I were a competitive athlete, I'd push a cycle as often as possible. I'm not, so I don't.
Regarding creatine, I don't use it on cycle. But many use it on cycle and do just fine. I do highly recommend creatine for pct though.
Regarding stims, I TRY not to use them all year unless I'm cutting. Pfft, ask me how that's going LOL (in other words, I probably use them more than I plan to, especially for work). But seriously, ph + stim isn't such a great idea, especially for the 99% who don't actually monitor their blood pressure. Also, I have found that I maintain my gains a lot more easily in pct when I'm not using stims.
Those are all personal preferences and not necessarily backed by science, just what has worked for me.
04-24-2009, 09:54 AM
sometimes u gotta use stims to get going when on though...tren is actually making me really tired for some reason. i thought i read most people were kept up during the night with tren....im sleepin like a baby for like 10 hours haha. but yea...if your not taking blood pressure supps dont even think about using stims while on.
im ready for that day 8 update...thats weird that u had a flare up. i never had any problems with promag. o man...i missed where you said mood is awesome...thats one of the whole reasons why i loved it so much. i was in a euphoric daze for like 3 and a half weeks while on promag. mood lift is indeed very awesome.
and btw...you avi creeps me out. and i know you use it on every message board your a member of.
04-24-2009, 12:30 PM
Well, I was more referring to actually taking your bp. I think most take BP preventive supps but I'm not convinced that they always work for everyone.
P-Mag didn't really aggravate the gyno. It was there before hand. But, I swear the TD form has it almost gone as of this morning (day8).
Sweet! Glad you like my avi. I'm a fan of badasss villians and it seemed like a cool switch from my old Magwai (Last of the Mohicans) avi.
04-24-2009, 12:40 PM
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