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    yeah, DW is probably one of the best at consistently posting them. for all of my compulsive logging, I went from march to july with no new pics...

    I still dunno what to do. my waist went up an inch maybe inch and a half going from 185 to 202 where I am now. so i've been sitting at more or less recomp cals for the last week, but added fatburners in. mostly i just dont want the waist any higher. think I should shift to a cut phase earlier than I planned? originally was going to slowly (ha!) bulk to 210 by december. but since I broke 200 without adding much fat already, maybe i should take 8 weeks to drop 10-12lbs of fat?
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    That doesnt sound like too bad of an idea. Sounds like the gain in the waist is eating at you a little bit so from the sounds of it, I'd cut.

    When I saw you posted after the comment about the pictures I figure'd there would be some type of jab about me being pale

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    DW I left out the BCAA's 2 days ago on my shoulder workout and damn was I sore the next day. I think leaving out the BCAA's is a good idea to maximize muscle damage, and allow the X-Factor to maximize its potential.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steveoph View Post
    DW I left out the BCAA's 2 days ago on my shoulder workout and damn was I sore the next day. I think leaving out the BCAA's is a good idea to maximize muscle damage, and allow the X-Factor to maximize its potential.
    I'll just leave them out all together. Save Leucine for after. I made some great gains thru time without it so I'll just save it for when I hardcore recomp/mini cut over christmas break.

    Thanks for the update. Almost a little Obama flip flop there.
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    Well I did just do some fasted cardio with 5 scoops of Xtend in my belly, lol. O'well no more of that. I'm going to nix the fasted cardio and change over to ab and cardio sessions in the after noon on tue/thur/sat.

    I originally planned on doing HIIT but DC is way more taxing on me than I could have imagined. Add in the DOMS and HIIT isn't possible. I have great success with 45min of walking at 10 and 3 ......so if it ain't broke don't fix it kinda thing.
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    Updated 1st page with measurements and pic's

    I was going to do some fasted crdio this morning but my hammy's are waaaaay to sore so I hit the snoze and slept for another 30min
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steveoph View Post
    DW I left out the BCAA's 2 days ago on my shoulder workout and damn was I sore the next day. I think leaving out the BCAA's is a good idea to maximize muscle damage, and allow the X-Factor to maximize its potential.
    CITRULINNE MALATE.

    Not BCAA's

    CITRULINNE MALATE is theculprit here.

    You're using Xtend?
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    Oh, and I am updating the FAQ
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    I was using Xtend and Purple Wraath, they both have Cit Malate

    As of yesterday I'm done with those though.
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    hmm so no CM eh? i'll have to keep that in mind
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    hmm so no CM eh? i'll have to keep that in mind
    Yep. At least for the 1st cycle.

    It buffers lactic acid, and since lacticacid is responsible for AA release, you know what can happend..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    I was using Xtend and Purple Wraath, they both have Cit Malate

    As of yesterday I'm done with those though.
    I know. I am using them and it works for me. But some respond differently to those. Especially when you take a lot like you.

    So for the 1st cycle, it's best to avoid it.

    But get some bulk BCAAs or ICE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjohn View Post
    I know. I am using them and it works for me. But some respond differently to those. Especially when you take a lot like you.

    So for the 1st cycle, it's best to avoid it.

    But get some bulk BCAAs or ICE.
    I'll look into ICE. I have about 500gr of BCAA's from NP but blah the taste is horrid. I may just use up my leucine.
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    add some crystal light to the bulk bcaas
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    add some crystal light to the bulk bcaas
    I do but I am the biggest sissy when it comes to the taste of things. I have no problem slamming this that taste bad but I can't make it thru a whole workout of sipping on BCAA's. Maybe I'll just do 10gr BCAA pre and post. Leucine is a little less pungent IMO so maybe I'll do some of that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    add some crystal light to the bulk bcaas
    I don't think theres anything in the world that is nastier than that 'combo'
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoidRageX10 View Post
    I don't think theres anything in the world that is nastier than that 'combo'
    Damn you guys are fussy. Just drink it down and stop complaining
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjohn View Post
    Damn you guys are fussy. Just drink it down and stop complaining
    Easier said than done!
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    Quote Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
    Easier said than done!
    I used totake PLCAR and ALCAR straight. There is not much worse on earth than that
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    yellow gold is worse

    But just man up already DW. geez
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjohn View Post
    I used totake PLCAR and ALCAR straight...
    Without any liquid?
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    Whats funny is I shot YG and ALCAR raw, just fill up a tsp and chase it with water, no problem. I actually like ALCAR. BCAA; they make me gage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by strategicmove View Post
    Without any liquid?
    Yep. Like sour and rotten eggs it was pretty bad
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    Man up and what? Puke?

    I try to drink it, but whats the point if you feel like puking every 5 minutes. I'll pay Sciviation for their flavoring system and buy Leucine Pills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjohn View Post
    CITRULINNE MALATE.

    Not BCAA's

    CITRULINNE MALATE is theculprit here.

    You're using Xtend?
    Sometimes during the X-Factor log I would use Green Mag + Bulk BCAA's + Leucine + Glutamine. I sometimes used Xtend, not often though. Once or twice I used CitMal, but not often.

    I'll reread the FAQ's, but X-Factor + CitMal = No go? Maybe that was why I didn't respond. I think X-Factor without BCAA's or Cit Mal. is the way to go, and with Omega-3's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjohn View Post
    Yep. Like sour and rotten eggs it was pretty bad
    C'mon!! PLCAR tastes rather well imo.

    Yellow Gold, however, well, I think we can ALL agree on that. Yuck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steveoph View Post
    Sometimes during the X-Factor log I would use Green Mag + Bulk BCAA's + Leucine + Glutamine. I sometimes used Xtend, not often though. Once or twice I used CitMal, but not often.

    I'll reread the FAQ's, but X-Factor + CitMal = No go? Maybe that was why I didn't respond. I think X-Factor without BCAA's or Cit Mal. is the way to go, and with Omega-3's.
    It's all about Ph. It's a no go for a first time user, simply because we're all different.
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    oooooh PH related, tell us more. Is AA better if you are leaning acidic or base? I haven't noticed too much of a difference but I tend to eat towards the base side rather than acidic by general nature
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    oooooh PH related, tell us more. Is AA better if you are leaning acidic or base? I haven't noticed too much of a difference but I tend to eat towards the base side rather than acidic by general nature
    Without getting in much details, diet should remain the same, since you get used to what you eat, and this is fine.

    The PH issue is more about lactic acid. We don't want to eliminate it.

    Lactic acid = AA released
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    so using some of Christ Thibideau's or Charles Poliquin's lactic acid oriented workouts would help generate additional effect potentially? hmmm
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    so using some of Christ Thibideau's or Charles Poliquin's lactic acid oriented workouts would help generate additional effect potentially? hmmm
    Yeah, but you might have a hard time living through that!
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    Great info in here.....keep it coming!

    I did some heavy ab work and 30min of cardio. I had to walk @ 3.5 with no incline because I had the broken treadmill. All the others were taken. The gym was the busiest I've ever seen it at 2pm on a thursday. A sign college's are starting up.....gotta get in that cardio before thirsty thursdays!
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    Well guys sorry for the lack of updates. I am homeless right now and am living on a team mates couch for the next week or so. As crappy as it sounds I have been 100% on point with my diet and training (saturday and friday were iffy but not bad)

    I didn't get to train on friday because of moving but trained 2day at my ****ty school gym.

    I am hungry as hell all day and pumps are great thru the majority of the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    so using some of Christ Thibideau's or Charles Poliquin's lactic acid oriented workouts would help generate additional effect potentially? hmmm
    Easy I threw up my current C Thib lactic acid inspired split on the other forum. I only did the first few days before my "illness" and it was awesome. More intense then I thought it would be. Even taking out the alactic and lactic cardio involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Distilled Water View Post
    Theres not even a squat rack in the weight room I was at today!
    Thats not a weight room. You must be working out at Curves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    Easy I threw up my current C Thib lactic acid inspired split on the other forum. I only did the first few days before my "illness" and it was awesome. More intense then I thought it would be. Even taking out the alactic and lactic cardio involved.
    I may give it a try. we'll see what happens with joining a new gym and all
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    I may give it a try. we'll see what happens with joining a new gym and all
    Is the new gym better/worse than your old one? In September I go back to university, and it's back to my terrible dungeon gym It's so disheartening lol, but WTH I can train hard wherever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steveoph View Post
    Is the new gym better/worse than your old one? In September I go back to university, and it's back to my terrible dungeon gym It's so disheartening lol, but WTH I can train hard wherever.
    Thats how you gotta see it!!
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    get mad at the dungeon !!!!! slay the dragon!! jk lol
    i went to a gym like that, it was a basement with horrible ventilation and it was small with lots of people in it, finally i brought my own fan from home and gave it to them, it was one of them big a$$ mofo's, anyway im outa there now.......
  

  
 

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