To Pulse Or Not To Pulse.. Share Your Reasons

[Riquee]

This thread is about :

Why would you pulse orals ?
Or
Why would you not pulse orals?


Share your reason(s) of your choice..after all the reading and/or experience you have been through

Let this be a very informative thread for the AM'ers

[Travis]

Not too pulse. Cause I like my gains fast just like my women and my food. lol

In all seriousness I have only ran one oral cycle. And since it was my first I wanted to see what the gains were like.

[djremix]

there is one great reason to pulse.

lets say pulsing works out for you, the biggest benefit woul be avoiding shutdown and therefor avoiding any major pct cycle. also this will allow you to run it longer.

so if you are patient, go pulse :-)

ill be reporting on my own findings soooon

[Riquee]

there is one great reason to pulse.

lets say pulsing works out for you, the biggest benefit woul be avoiding shutdown and therefor avoiding any major post cycle therapy cycle. also this will allow you to run it longer.

so if you are patient, go pulse :-)

ill be reporting on my own findings soooon

looking forward to your results/findings

[haroldjg]

To Pulse. With the relatively low availability of injectable gear to many users it is nearly impossible to run a long cycle. Pulsing offers many benefits over regular cycling with orals.
1) Longer cycle length---with short cycles if you get sick for a week or your eating, rest etc. is not spot on it can seriousely screw with your gains. with pulsing, cycles can be as long as injectable cycles so you get maintainable gains and if you have a crappy week its not going to completely **** you over.
2) Low risk of hepatoxicity--- only taking orals 3 times a week gives your liver enough time to basically fully recover from any damage.
3) Very low suppression--- with the design of most of the next gen orals, when pulsed, suppression is virtually non-existant.... in my personal experience I notice a stimulation of libido and testicular fullness while pulsing.
4) less risk of injury---since most of the next gen orals are very potent, strength gains can often dwarf the gains in tendon stregth. Since pulsing is a slower approach, you experience less tendon and joint pain.
5) you feel "on" from about week 3 forward.... not just on the administration days. When I pulse, I feel the on feeling all of the time.
6) more economical--- basically zero support supps and very minimal if any PCT. Support supps and PCT dwarf the cost of orals.

there are many more advantages, but I think you get the point. Its slower, but its steadier. None of this up and down crap. gains are slower, but they stick after the cycle. A lot of people loose a lot of their gains, experience gyno issues, and all around **** themselves up when they first start doing oral steriod only cycles. With pulsing all of these risks are greatly minimized. I think that any person considering diving into the realm of oral only cycles should def. do a few pulse cycles before they fully dive into the world of orals. You never know, maybe they will like pulsing so much, they will never switch to any other method.

I personally doubt that I will ever do anything other than pulsing ever gain.

[Riquee]

To Pulse. With the relatively low availability of injectable gear to many users it is nearly impossible to run a long cycle. Pulsing offers many benefits over regular cycling with orals.
1) Longer cycle length---with short cycles if you get sick for a week or your eating, rest etc. is not spot on it can seriousely screw with your gains. with pulsing, cycles can be as long as injectable cycles so you get maintainable gains and if you have a crappy week its not going to completely **** you over.
2) Low risk of hepatoxicity--- only taking orals 3 times a week gives your liver enough time to basically fully recover from any damage.
3) Very low suppression--- with the design of most of the next gen orals, when pulsed, suppression is virtually non-existant.... in my personal experience I notice a stimulation of libido and testicular fullness while pulsing.
4) less risk of injury---since most of the next gen orals are very potent, strength gains can often dwarf the gains in tendon stregth. Since pulsing is a slower approach, you experience less tendon and joint pain.
5) you feel "on" from about week 3 forward.... not just on the administration days. When I pulse, I feel the on feeling all of the time.
6) more economical--- basically zero support supps and very minimal if any post cycle therapy. Support supps and post cycle therapy dwarf the cost of orals.

there are many more advantages, but I think you get the point. Its slower, but its steadier. None of this up and down crap. gains are slower, but they stick after the cycle. A lot of people loose a lot of their gains, experience gyno issues, and all around **** themselves up when they first start doing oral steriod only cycles. With pulsing all of these risks are greatly minimized. I think that any person considering diving into the realm of oral only cycles should def. do a few pulse cycles before they fully dive into the world of orals. You never know, maybe they will like pulsing so much, they will never switch to any other method.

I personally doubt that I will ever do anything other than pulsing ever gain.

Great to hear your point of view on this Harold, thx

I have read Dr D's thread and was kind of surprised why many did not choose the pulsing way all this years..I am going for the first oral cycle soon..the first 2 years I just watched and read all about this PH thing.. I see too many just started BBing and without knowing / reading about the way PH's work and the possible sides, they go for a cycle! many of this beginners do not know anything about PCT and just go for it..that's kind of "stupid'" I hope many starters of PH's will just begin with pulsing as you stated.

[JZ7757]

Pulse. When i first read the threads, it did sound too good to be true. But, after hearing people's experiences (like harolds) and keeping up on Dr. D's thread, I will be starting my first pulse cycle next week. It will be pp/zol for 8wks.

I am going to play it safe, even though both compounds are somewhat mild on sides/libido. I have had great sucess with pp, first time on zol, running cs and jw on off days. Should be fun!

[Riquee]

Pulse. When i first read the threads, it did sound too good to be true. But, after hearing people's experiences (like harolds) and keeping up on Dr. D's thread, I will be starting my first pulse cycle next week. It will be pp/zol for 8wks.

I am going to play it safe, even though both compounds are somewhat mild on sides/libido. I have had great sucess with pp, first time on zol, running cs and jw on off days. Should be fun!

Hit it JZ will it be 30mg a day?

So you chose to use cycle support on off days + test booster JW..

Actually the idea not using cs at all and no liver protection scares me ! that s the only thing holding me back till now..

[JZ7757]

Through the course of 8wks, I will be up at 60mgs pp, 250mgs on zol MAX. Though, i might actually just hold the zol at 200 max depending on joints and progress.

I dont know anyone who has done this pulse with pp up that high, however, i respond really good with pp so this should be interesting.

CS throughout the cycle, jw only on off days as a bridge. Retain on both days pre and post. I will follow Dr.D's protocol laid out for me in his pulse thread.

what are you planning on for compounds?

[UNCfan1]

I never heard of this until soemone mentioned it at discount anabolics. I will be running a ErgoMax-LMG/Superdrol 8-12 week cycle soon. Running HDx2/Retain2 and prob some kind of liver protection on off days. I like the fact that u can reduce the risk of neg side effects, run a longer cycle and still reap great results.

[JZ7757]

^^ That should be good. I would have ran that cycle too, but i dont respond typically as well as others to sd.

Log it!

[UNCfan1]

^^ That should be good. I would have ran that cycle too, but i dont respond typically as well as others to superdrol.

Log it!

I just might log it. I have never ran either which is another plus for pulsing.

[Riquee]

Through the course of 8wks, I will be up at 60mgs pp, 250mgs on zol MAX. Though, i might actually just hold the zol at 200 max depending on joints and progress.

I dont know anyone who has done this pulse with pp up that high, however, i respond really good with pp so this should be interesting.

CS throughout the cycle, jw only on off days as a bridge. Retain on both days pre and post. I will follow Dr.D's protocol laid out for me in his pulse thread.

what are you planning on for compounds?

So cs all the way..they say MilkThistle will stand in the way of the gains..I do not know exactly how much lbs you would gain more without it..

I will go with havoc and am trying to check out if 10mg superdol could fit in without major problems.. it would be havoc30mg/sd10mg 3times a week..cycle length would be 6 week..off days activate/powerfull

[Riquee]

I just might log it. I have never ran either which is another plus for pulsing.

THOSE WHO DO NOT LOG WILL BE BANNED

good luck man.. when are you starting?

[UNCfan1]

THOSE WHO DO NOT LOG WILL BE BANNED

good luck man.. when are you starting?

Hopefully June, I need to get my other supplements in line.

[Riquee]

Through the course of 8wks, I will be up at 60mgs pp, 250mgs on zol MAX. Though, i might actually just hold the zol at 200 max depending on joints and progress.

I dont know anyone who has done this pulse with pp up that high, however, i respond really good with pp so this should be interesting.

CS throughout the cycle, jw only on off days as a bridge. Retain on both days pre and post. I will follow Dr.D's protocol laid out for me in his pulse thread.

what are you planning on for compounds?

60mg is kind of high or not?

[JZ7757]

I just might log it. I have never ran either which is another plus for pulsing.

oooo that should be even more interesting! Do you know how well u respond on strong anabolic compounds? Hopefully, youll gain a ton of lean muscle with good strength.

So cs all the way..they say MilkThistle will stand in the way of the gains..I do not know exactly how much lbs you would gain more without it..

I will go with havoc and am trying to check out if 10mg superdol could fit in without major problems.. it would be havoc30mg/sd10mg 3times a week..cycle length would be 6 week..off days activate/powerfull

Iven never heard of the thistle issue. I personally wouldn't worry about it that much, just focuse on your plan, diet and workouts.

Sounds good. I havent experienced havoc, but have heard its good with some libido/mood sides. may be different in a pulse, cycle though.

unless you have it, i would switch activate to mass fx. Mass fx is a far superior compound. I think you should be just fine with just powerfull and retain.

[UNCfan1]

oooo that should be even more interesting! Do you know how well u respond on strong anabolic compounds? Hopefully, youll gain a ton of lean muscle with good strength. .

I have ran a couple of cycles with Halodrol-50/O-E Hemadrol/Propadrol and had good results. I am guessing yes I will respond nicely. HDx2 worked for me better than Halodrol-50/O-E strong statement I know. My strength was at an all time high with it.

[Riquee]

oooo that should be even more interesting! Do you know how well u respond on strong anabolic compounds? Hopefully, youll gain a ton of lean muscle with good strength.



Iven never heard of the thistle issue. I personally wouldn't worry about it that much, just focuse on your plan, diet and workouts.

Sounds good. I havent experienced havoc, but have heard its good with some libido/mood sides. may be different in a pulse, cycle though.

unless you have it, i would switch activate to mass fx. Mass fx is a far superior compound. I think you should be just fine with just powerfull and retain.

thx, I did mass fx 2 months ago and it was very nice:-) .. I also read that mass fx should be taken everyday to get out of it what you should..

In Dr d s pulsing thread he mentioned MilkThistle is counter productive while pulsing..and recommends to not to use it at all (execept with very strong compounds"!

here is some of it:

"Also important to remember is nutrition. Have a good, high calorie post work out meal and eat sufficient protein, especially on off days. Off days are also a good time to take a cortisol antagonist or even just low dose DHEA (25-50mg) if you are a slow healer or hard gainer especially. Although pulsing is a great way to avoid suppression, if you are extra sensitive to shut down or using a compound that will normally cause very fast shut down, an AI based test booster can be administered on off days or daily to further punctuate the hormonal "bounce back" in the quest to avoid the need for post cycle therapy post cycle. The bounce back phenomenon is an effect that is often noted when pulsing. It is not uncommon for testicular size and testosterone levels to increase above baseline on consecutive off days or after the cycle is over. This is like a built in PCT effect you may experiences after properly pulsed hormone use. As a teen, I was able to employee this method successfully for 3 years without needing a PCT, so I can say it works very well! In pulsing, it is also important to remember that the smaller number of dose exposures means faster liver clearance. Normal safety ancillaries like healthy oils and lipid supplements are advised, but be modest with liver products like milk thistle. They are generally counter productive and therefore not advised while pulsing, except with very toxic or potent compounds. Cycle safe!

[JZ7757]

I have ran a couple of cycles with Halodrol-50/O-E Hemadrol/Propadrol and had good results. I am guessing yes I will respond nicely. HDx2 worked for me better than Halodrol-50/O-E strong statement I know. My strength was at an all time high with it.

wow, interesting. Ive read halo typically gives allot of strength. This is even more convincing to run hdx2/mfx after my eight weeker! damn ax is getting a ton my money! lol