Designer Steroid/prohormone profiles
- 04-27-2008, 10:26 AM
- 04-27-2008, 12:10 PM
Nomenclature: Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione
Side effects: aggrevation of gynecomastia. This is a progestin. Expect tren-like sides.
Reputation: This is a prohormone to dienolone (similar to M-diene). Decent for recomp and increases in strength.
So Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione = 19-Norandrosta-4, 9-diene-3,17-dione?
People use to make the WRONG assumption about Promagnum-25 and Halodrol 50, they assumed they were the same because they have a nomenclature that is almost IDENTICAL yet they are derivatives to of steroids. I'm not a chemist, but would you educate us and care to explain how a Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione = 19-Norandrosta-4, 9-diene-3,17-dione?
- 04-27-2008, 12:15 PM
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04-27-2008, 12:22 PM
Also it's been proven that Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione (or 19-Norandrosta-4, 9-diene-3,17-dione) doesn't actually convert to Tren. It's missing a double bond that the body cannot add. It is still active and still converts, but not to tren. PA proved this a while back.
04-28-2008, 09:29 AM
05-27-2008, 12:21 AM
05-28-2008, 10:36 PM
I'm currently stacking halodrol-50 with orastan-A. What do you guys think of throwing some 11-oxo in there for the second half of the cycle? Just wondering.
06-12-2008, 01:26 PM
06-12-2008, 06:06 PM
06-17-2008, 03:50 PM
06-19-2008, 11:42 PM
stack With epi =#1 ,#2 would be O.T.or rather it's diol version
A 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4 dien-3-17-diol...the diol
is the only difference then Oral turinabol...you see OT has a 17b-ol at it's end, the difference is a diol means that on the "A" ring at the 3 position there is a hydroxyl-group (HO) instead of an (O), and a double bond in the 1 and 4 position ,however
the first pass conversion thru the liver yields a 80% turnover
which is damn good compared to all the others Ive dsected molecurley .So what ever they call this one...I think something like Halo da da da something or another it will give you close to the same results as O.T. these 2 are the only ones worth purchasing since they are AAS's
06-20-2008, 11:49 AM
what about 1-testosterone profile?
06-20-2008, 01:04 PM
According to my personal experience h-drol IS NOT oral turinabol, nor does it feel like it in anyway. h-drol for me was WAY more androgenic.
06-20-2008, 06:09 PM
Since all 3,17-diols (& diones) attach directly to the androgen receptor before converting, they are a bit more andorgenic than their parent, and a little less anabolic. Like Halodrol is more androgenic than OT, and less anabolic. 4-AD (diol) is more andorgenic than test and less anabolic, & so on.
Out of curiousity where did you come up with an 80% conversion rate for Halo? Generally speaking diones convert at roughly 5.61% in vivo since they're processed through 17HSD. Diols use 3HSD and convert more efficiently at 15.76% in vivo. Even though these hormones all have different levels of their own activity pre-conversion, this wouldn't effect their conversion rates to the parent compound.
06-20-2008, 06:12 PM
06-20-2008, 09:46 PM
have to take 300-400 mg ED for a little activity.
I hope this helps with your future purchases
06-20-2008, 10:24 PM
Do you have any links to these articles? Interesting info. But dosing Halodrol in the real world would put its conversion nowhere near 80%. Most who used it feel it exerts great effects at 100mg-125mg (which would be 80-100mg of OT at your #'s). I know someone who's currently running Halodrol now, and found his sweet spot at 225mg. With your 80% figure this would have him dosing 180mg of Turinabol/day which would be absurdly high.
06-21-2008, 03:27 AM
06-26-2008, 12:47 PM
over 100 anabolic. the common dosage would be in the 70- 140mg
range anyway since it has a very low hepatic load and is considered
a weaker compound it was dispensed at 7- 14 tabs a day (10mg)
it's not a anavar or D-bol by no means.4-chloro-dihydromethyltestosterone
06-26-2008, 07:33 PM
06-27-2008, 12:57 PM
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I can't recall seeing anyone dosing OT over 60mg
06-29-2008, 02:02 PM
1, 4 AD Bold 200 + Epistane stacked together. run bold 200 weeks 1-8, and epistane weeks 5-8
07-04-2008, 01:45 AM
im currently back in lifting mode after a 5 year break (high school)
football lol , any way i lost alot of mass and since i havent been in a gym for a while i thought i take a short cut , the pro-hormone way which is stupid once u hear my stack , i should just go with the real stuff but unfortunately i dont have any reliable sources ,
20mg of sd
20mg of pp
10 mg of fini
(btw this is ridiculous on ur liver and i strongly dont recommend this stack for endomorphs .... )
i realized i have a problem eating as well is this gonna be a problem with the stack im taking ??
im seriously itching to get jakked so far ive been on this stack for 8 days and vasculars are serious , pumps look crazy and ill but with out eating as much as i should i feel like its a waste ??
07-05-2008, 05:19 PM
07-05-2008, 07:08 PM
eat eat eat eat!!! lucky for me, my mom's making arroz y pollo every other night, so i'm getting a steady supply of protein and carbs. . . gotta love chicken, rice and beans. . . yum
07-05-2008, 08:06 PM
- 5'10" 205 lbs.
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- Jun 2007
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If you are worried about eating enough to gain the weight, don't forget that you also will need to eat more after gaining 10lbs of muscle, and your daily protein need will be higher, so your long term eating expenses go up as well....
08-09-2008, 05:26 PM
Compound - H-drol
Side effect (putting that mildly) Diverticulitis
Not fun at all.
Moral: No more of any of these "mild" compounds, ever.
08-09-2008, 05:28 PM
I'm amazed ziqour didn't lose all his rep points while I was gone.
You look small for someone who's done all you claim to have done and such an expert.....Did you buy a bow flex?
08-09-2008, 05:31 PM
08-09-2008, 05:38 PM
I really do, I had suspicions, and now my googling shows a definite connection.
08-09-2008, 05:40 PM
eMedicine - Diverticular Disease : Article by A Antoine Kazzi
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08-09-2008, 05:41 PM
Good luck to all of you. You might feel great now, but you keep playing with the bull and you'll get....................
08-09-2008, 06:25 PM
I don't mean to be insensitive but diverticulitis can be congenital, is very common and not to mention has hundreds of other predisposing factors besides your use of oral steroids.
You are drawing a conclusion based on a very casual coincidence rather than causation.
If I google well enough and long enough I will find that I am already dead and have not had the sense to stop breathing.
Again, I am sorry for your condition, and wish you well.
08-09-2008, 07:00 PM
- 5'10" 205 lbs.
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08-09-2008, 09:30 PM
...and if your beef with Ziquor is the mention of H-Drol being mild, I would have to second that rating. If you view all logs as "trials" as I mentioned earlier, you must categorize the compound by how the majority reacts. In that case I say that H-Drol is mild even though some users (like you) may have adverse "side effects".
08-10-2008, 10:09 AM
I feel fine now. At a bare minimum, I'm convinced it aggravated a possible pre-disposition, however, I'm confident I wouldn't have had the attack had I not been on cycle. It happened almost literally at the end of cycle, probably about day 32. At least I am smart enough never to mess with these compounds again, or any supp for that matter.
08-10-2008, 10:14 AM
08-12-2008, 06:57 PM
I think most likely, you can in general get away with more when you are younger. I'd really like to see where everyone is 10 years from now, those who are doing cycle after cycle of these designer orals. My guess is, a few won't be here (among the living) at all.
Yes, quite dumb for me having the muscle and strength I have from working out naturally. It was an experiment and I've learned my lesson. And these companies will keep making their money, from dummies like I was.
08-12-2008, 11:00 PM
08-13-2008, 07:41 AM
Sometimes making a compound methylated can change it's AA properties. Any of you chemical nomenclature guys know if methyl stenbolone differs significantly from stenbolone in terms of it's anabolic/androgenic profile?
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