[Big BAMA]

bump

[thesinner]

Someone come out with a new designer steroid so I have something to update this with.

[AE14]

this is a great and informative thread. well done

[allknottedup]

It's 1,4 Bold. It is the same as 1,4 AD, which was first brought to the market by Molecular Nutrition. I have listed the first company (to my knowledge) that brought the compound to the market. In the case of Havoc/Epistane/Hemaguno, I felt they all hit the market at about the same time, making it a 3 way tie.

do you have any info on trenadrol by kilo sports.

[milwood]

I have a lot of catching up to do.....

[thesinner]

do you have any info on trenadrol by kilo sports.

see profile for M-TRN. It is a 'clone' of ALRI's Methoxy TRN

[thesinner]

Wow, I never even noticed this thing got stickied. Cool.

[P4D2A022]

what about m1t since a fair amt of ppl use it still

[milwood]

what about m1t since a fair amt of ppl use it still

M1T is still the devil.............

[TOYFORDOLET]

Where does ESTs Methyl XT fit into this? Ive heard it is similar to M1T, but I haven't really found anything conclusive about it.

[bombBoogie]

Where does ESTs Methyl XT fit into this? Ive heard it is similar to M1T, but I haven't really found anything conclusive about it.

I think it was Methyl-XT = M1A

[TOYFORDOLET]

see profile for M-TRN. It is a 'clone' of ALRI's Methoxy TRN

It seems that the feedback on Trenadrol is quite different than that of M-TRN. I think there is some debate over what it really is. I have no experience with either, just going by what seems to be the general concensus.

[thesinner]

yes, however, they are an attempt at the same thing.

[stxnas]

Where does ESTs Methyl XT fit into this? Ive heard it is similar to M1T, but I haven't really found anything conclusive about it.

I think it was Methyl-XT = M1A

Methyl XT?

Its methylated 1-AD. It doesn't act like either Methyl 1-T, 1-T, or 1-AD in its effects(Its a Methyl 1-A clone with a few additives). Honestly, this is a great compound for strength gains(to the point where you try and be a bit careful while lifting, so you won't injure yourself). Weight gains are marginal, with the highest repoted gains being 12lbs by a newb(most experienced users net around 5-7lbs). I'm actually involved with EST, so while I haven't ran this one, I'm more than a little familiar with it. Most users experience sides comparable to Pheraplex, but there have been a few that have said it was worse than superdrol for them.

[cromwell]

So anyone heard of anabolic formulations? Interesting product with the active from halodrol and a tren prohormone.
Anyone?

[thesinner]

for info on the tren prohormone, check out the info on finigenX as this is the same ingredient.

[cromwell]

for info on the tren prohormone, check out the info on finigenX as this is the same ingredient.

Familiar with it, curious as to the companys rep? I am going to run halodrol or clone (don't think its even available) and ?
My three choices
Havoc
furaza
?
For the record, my only bad experience was with a progestin, Methyl 1P

[cromwell]

Familiar with it, curious as to the companys rep? I am going to run halodrol or clone (don't think its even available) and ?
My three choices
Havoc
furaza
?
For the record, my only bad experience was with a progestin, Methyl 1P

I forgot propadrol, also considered

[cromwell]

for info on the tren prohormone, check out the info on finigenX as this is the same ingredient.

Awesome sticky btw

[JOSEF]

Jay Edit: We don't provide sources or help those get around the legal system.

[cromwell]

Familiar with it, curious as to the companys rep? I am going to run halodrol or clone (don't think its even available) and ?
My three choices
Havoc
furaza
?
For the record, my only bad experience was with a progestin, Methyl 1P

havoc has worked well enough so far, that I am not going to complicate things by adding anything. I will save that for next year

[JBerto]

Good work!!!

Please, when you can, edit first post and add a line in any PH description, saying if that PH is a "dry" or a "wet" PH, and if is a precursor of a "Class I" or "Class II" steroid.

That make you post PERFECT and very, very useful !!!

Thanks for the post.

[JBerto]

I've just found that on the Net with info that would be interesting to ad to this PH profiles:

The difference between "wet" and "dry" steroids/phs is water retention. Water retention is caused by estrogen through aromatase.

Wikipedia: Aromatase is an enzyme of the cytochrome P450 superfamily (EC 1.14.14.1), whose function is to aromatize androgens (that is, to selectively increase their aromaticity), producing estrogens. As such, it is an important factor in sexual development.

Effectively: Aromatase is when excess testosterone converts to estrogen.

WET:
M1,4ADD
Phera
M1T (and subsequent legal variants/clones)
*Superdrol

DRY:
Bold
Epithios
Tren
*Superdrol
Halodrol
Winztrol
Furazadrol
Prop

STRENGTH:
Tren
Superdrol
M1T(and legal clones)
Phera
M14ADD

On the strength category there are probably more, but from what I hear those are the biggies.

Prohormone Classification

Steroids are classified under 2 categories. Class I has a strong binding to the androgen receptor. Class II does not bind to the androgen receptors, rather it works through other means in the body.

Simply put:
Class I = binds to androgen receptor
Class II = does not.

These prohormones classifications are based on thier steroid counterparts. If there are any revisions needed PLEASE message me.
Class I
Boldenone based phs - 1,4AD & Bold
Trenbolone based phs - Trenadrol & Trenaplex
Testosterone based phs - Methyl 1 Testosterone
Mepitiostane (Thioderon) based phs - Epithio & Clones (Havoc/Epistane/so on so forth)

Class II
Masteron (Dromostanolone) based phs - Superdrol & Clones
Oral Turinabol (Dehydrochlormethyltestosteron e) based phs - Halodrol & Clones
Dianabol (methandrostenolone) based phs - M1,4ADD etc
Winstrol (stanozolol) based phs - Winztrol, Orastan-A, Furaguno, etc
Furazabol (miotolan) based phs - Furazadrol etc
Propadrol
Pheraplex & Clones
4-AD

Not Prohormones...
AMS's products - test boosters
Testabolan - ecdysterone
Mass Tabs - test boosters
Superdrol NG - Prasterone = DHEA, Methyl Xanthine = Caffine, Aprodine HCL = Pseudoephedrine Hydrochloride, ATD - test booster/aromatase inhibitor

If you plan on stacking two prohormones at the same time, the best combinations are class I mixed with a class II. For example SD/Bold, Halo/Tren, M1T/Prop, and so on..

Here's why, effectively when you take a class 1/class 1 stack, you're theoretically limiting your body's ability to suck up the little steroid molecules you're pumping into it. Think of it like a burger joint parking lot at lunchtime. There are no parking spots available, and you're stuck lying in wait for a spot to open up. It's the same situation for a dual class 1 stack.

However, with a class 1/class 2 combination while one pro hormone floats around binding to the androgen receptor, the other little guy is busy attaching itself to other parts of the body to encourage growth.

http://www.discountanabolics.com/for...ead.php?t=7766

[JBerto]

Adding that info to the original list:

Methoxy-TST
Innovator: Bioscience Technologies
Nomenclature: 17b-methoxytrienosterone
Pill size: 2mg
Dosages: The label recommends 2-6mg daily, but many users report only noticing effects when dosed at 8-12mg.
Side effects: Low liver toxicity. Some users say this is a libido killer, yet others say the exact opposite. Other users report sides of thinning hair/hair loss.
Reputation: Seemingly underdosed, methoxy-TST could be considered an underrated designer, as many users have reported some substantial gains with higher dosages.


Epistane/Havoc/Hemaguno
Innovators: IBE, RPN, Spectra Force
Nomenclature: 2a-3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol
Pill Size: 10mg or 12.5mg depending on what brand you use
Dosages: 20-50mg
AAS Equivalent: Mepitiostane (Thioderon)
DRY, Class-I
Side Effects: Milder on liver and lipid levels than other methyls. Known to cause lower back and calf pumps.
Reputation: There has had some spectroscopy and compound identification issues with these products, but from personal experience with it, is still a solid product. Many users have taken this compound as a solo run for gynecomastia reduction due to it's SERM-like and anti-aromatase properties. It is also a popular compound for use with the 'pulse method' of taking orals. Users can expect to see significant gains in both strength and mass.


Pheraplex:
Innovator: Designer Supplements
Nomenclature: 17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol
Pill Size: 10mg
Dosages: 10-40mg
AAS Equivalent: Desoxymethyltestosterone/DMT (Madol)
WET, Class-I
Side Effects: liver toxicity, bad lipid profile, lower back and calf pumps, some users report aggrevation of gynecomastia with this compound.
Reputation: Solid product for bulking. Wet gains. It is a sometimes used to jumpstart an injectable cycle. This is the less androgenic isomer in the Ergomax LMG matrix.


Ergomax LMG
Innovator: ALRI
Nomenclature: 17-methyl-delta-2-etioallocholane & 17-methyl-delta-3-etioallocholane
Pill Size: 10mg
Dosages: 10-40mg
Side effects: liver toxicity, bad lipid profiles, lower back and calf pumps, may aggrevate gynecomastia.
Reputation: Again pretty solid for bulking. Users can expect similar gains as with pheraplex.


Superdrol:
Innovator: Designer Supplements
Nomenclature: 2a, 17a-dimethyl-17ß-hydroxy-5a-etiocholan -3-one
Pill size: 10mg
Dosages: 10-30mg
AAS Equivalent: Masteron (Dromostanolone)
Class-II
Side Effects: liver toxicity, bad lipid profiles, hypoglycemia lower back and calf pumps, some users report agrivation of gynecomastia with this compound. From personal experience, it gives me a wicked rebound, that causes some flare-up.
Reputation: Side effects vary from mild to extremely harsh, so use caution if planning your first run. Excellent dry gains. Great for bulking or cutting. Explosive strength gains.
This is a methylated form of Drostanolone (Masteron)


Methoxy-TRN
Innovator: ALRI
Nomenclature: 17b-Methoxy-Trienbolone
Pill size: 1.5mg
Dosages: 1.5-6mg
Side effects: Affects libido (some positively some negatively), can aggrevate gynecomastia. May cause thinning hair/ hair loss. Also another progestin.
Reputation: This guy is a real hit or miss. Some users loved the stuff, while others did not notice anything from it. From personal experience, I've noticed increases in strength as well as decreases in bodyfat.


Halodrol-50
Innovator: Gaspari Nutrition
Nomenclature: 4-chloro-17a-methyl-1,4-diene-3,17 diol
Pill Size: 50mg
Dosages: 25-75mg
AAS Equivalent: Turinabol
DRY, Class-II
Side effects: Heptatoxicity, lower back/calf pumps
Reputation: Milder than superdrol or pheraplex. Modest gains in mass and strength. Most users take this as part of a cutting cycle.
This is a prosteroid of Turinabol.

Prostanozol/ Orastan-E
Innovators: ALRI, Gaspari Nutrition
Nomenclature: [3,2-c]pyrazole-5alpha-etioallocholane-17beta-tetrahydropyranol
Pill size: 25mg
Dosages: 50-150mg (Although it is not uncommon to go much higher than this)
Side effects: very few sides. Some users report thinning hair/hair loss.
Reputation: Possibly the most mild of the designers, this compound is rarely run standalone. It is often stacked with a methyl compound for a lean bulk or cut. Very mild, yet easily maintained gains.
This is a de-alkylated derivative of Stanozol (winstrol).


Finigenix Magnum
Innovators: PharmagenX
Nomenclature: Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione
Dosages: 50-75mg
Side effects: aggrevation of gynecomastia. This is a progestin (it can convert to trenbolone). Expect tren-like sides.
Reputation: Though there hasn't been much logged on this bad boy, those who've used it have liked it. This is a prohormone to Tren.

Propadrol:
Innovator: EST Nutrition
Nomenclures: 12-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-diene &
6-17 dihydroxyetiocholone-3-ol proponate
Dosages: 1-2 caps daily
Side effects: low side effects
DRY, Class-II
Reputation: User's who've taken it have reported great decreases in bodyfat, while increasing musclemass and strength. Not much data is present on this compound within this forum. NOTE: this is does not contain the same compound as Max LMG. They are close, but no cigar.


Max LMG
Innovator: ALRI
Nomenclature: 13-ethyl-3methoxygona-2, 5(10)-dien-17-one
Pill size: 25mg
Dosages: 25-135mg daily
Side effects: Can easily aggrevate gynecomastia. May be a libido killer. This is another progestin.
Reputation: A bulking compound through and through. Users can expect great recovery, and soaking WET gains.

M-1,4ADD
Innovator: unknown
Nomenclature: 17a-methyl-1,4-Androstadiene-3,17diol
Dosages: 30-90mg daily
AAS Equivalent: Dianabol (methandrostenolone)
WET, Class-II
Side effects: heptatoxicity, slight possibility to aggrevate gyno
Reputation: Great for a bulk. Somewhat wet gains, and decent strength gains. This is a prohormone of Dianabol. However, since dianabol and Boldenone are so very similar, it is believed that the actions of this prohormone are more similar to boldenone than to dianabol (methylboldenone).

1,4 AD
Innovator: Molecular Nutrition
Dosages: 300-600mg
Nomenclature: 1,4-Androstadiene-3,17-dione
Side effects: Mild
AAS Equivalent: Boldenone
DRY, Class-I
Reputation: Very weak and not very cost-efficient at the moment. This compound is often stacked with a methyl to potentiate and accelerate gains. Cycles are usually run at a MINIMUM of 4 weeks as this one takes a few weeks to 'kick in'. Slow, steady, and easily maintainable gains. This is a prohormone of Boldenone.

Promagnon-25
Innovator: Peak Performance Labs
Dosages: 25-75mg
Nomenclature:4-chloro-17a-methyl-andro-4-ene-3,17b-diol
AAS Equivalent: Clostebol
Side effects: The usual sides associated with methylated compounds (heptatoxicity, lower back/calf pumps)
Reputation: Very similar to that of Halodrol-50, although people who've tried both seem to prefer Halodrol. For a while a lot of people were conviced that these two products were one in the same. Rest assured, they are not. This is a methyl derivative of clostebol.


Oxyguno
Innovator: Spectra Force
Nomenclature: 4-chloro-17 -methyl- etioallochol-4-ene- 17 -ol-3,11-dione
Pill Size: 7.5mg
Dosages: 7.5-22.5mg daily
Side effects: Heptatoxicity from 17a-methylation. Very low androgenic sides.
Reputation: Despite popular belief, this is not the most myotrophic designer out there: it has the highest Q factor. It is actually only about 77% as myotrophic as the active present in Havoc/Epistane/Hemaguno. Users taking Oxyguno can expect mass gains as well as excellent fatloss. Due to it's incredibly low androgenic ratio, strength gains are not as pronounced.

Furaguno/ Ortasan-A
Innovators: Spectra Force / Gaspari Nutrition
Pill Size: 33mg
Nomenclature: 5a0androstano[2,3-c] furazan-17b-tetrahydropyranol
Dosages: 33-99mg daily
AAS Equivalent: Winstrol (stanozolol)
Class-II
Side Effects: very mild
Reputation: Supposedly lowers cholesterol, increases androgenic receptor activity, and does not induce any heptatoxicity. This product is too young on the market to have developed a reputation yet. Get some, log it, and let us know so I can update this compound's profile. This is a prosteroid to furazabol.

3-AD / 11-oxo
Innovator: Anabolic Xtreme / Ergopharm
Pill Size: 150mg
Dosages: 450mg
Nomenclature: andrenosterone, 11-oxo-androstenedione, or 4-androstene-3,11,17-trione (all mean the same thing)
Side effects: Mild
Reputation: This prohormone has a great affinity for blocking up cortisol receptors. User's report great changes in body composition, namely significant fatloss.

[metalman302]

Not Prohormones...

Mass Tabs - test boosters

Mass tabs were not prohormones THEY WERE STERIODS! MethySten (TM) = Methyl Stenbolone. Nice how they play it off as a test booster huh?