Designer Steroid/prohormone profiles

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  1. this is a great and informative thread. well done

  2. Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    It's 1,4 Bold. It is the same as 1,4 AD, which was first brought to the market by Molecular Nutrition. I have listed the first company (to my knowledge) that brought the compound to the market. In the case of Havoc/Epistane/Hemaguno, I felt they all hit the market at about the same time, making it a 3 way tie.
    do you have any info on trenadrol by kilo sports.

  3. I have a lot of catching up to do.....

  4. what about m1t since a fair amt of ppl use it still

  5. Quote Originally Posted by P4D2A022 View Post
    what about m1t since a fair amt of ppl use it still
    M1T is still the devil.............

  6. Where does ESTs Methyl XT fit into this? Ive heard it is similar to M1T, but I haven't really found anything conclusive about it.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by TOYFORDOLET View Post
    Where does ESTs Methyl XT fit into this? Ive heard it is similar to M1T, but I haven't really found anything conclusive about it.
    I think it was Methyl-XT = M1A

  8. Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    see profile for M-TRN. It is a 'clone' of ALRI's Methoxy TRN
    It seems that the feedback on Trenadrol is quite different than that of M-TRN. I think there is some debate over what it really is. I have no experience with either, just going by what seems to be the general concensus.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by TOYFORDOLET View Post
    Where does ESTs Methyl XT fit into this? Ive heard it is similar to M1T, but I haven't really found anything conclusive about it.
    Quote Originally Posted by bombBoogie View Post
    I think it was Methyl-XT = M1A

    Methyl XT?

    Quote Originally Posted by slow-mun View Post
    Its methylated 1-AD. It doesn't act like either Methyl 1-T, 1-T, or 1-AD in its effects(Its a Methyl 1-A clone with a few additives). Honestly, this is a great compound for strength gains(to the point where you try and be a bit careful while lifting, so you won't injure yourself). Weight gains are marginal, with the highest repoted gains being 12lbs by a newb(most experienced users net around 5-7lbs). I'm actually involved with EST, so while I haven't ran this one, I'm more than a little familiar with it. Most users experience sides comparable to Pheraplex, but there have been a few that have said it was worse than superdrol for them.
    RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49

  10. So anyone heard of anabolic formulations? Interesting product with the active from halodrol and a tren prohormone.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    for info on the tren prohormone, check out the info on finigenX as this is the same ingredient.
    Familiar with it, curious as to the companys rep? I am going to run halodrol or clone (don't think its even available) and ?
    My three choices
    For the record, my only bad experience was with a progestin, Methyl 1P

  12. Quote Originally Posted by cromwell View Post
    Familiar with it, curious as to the companys rep? I am going to run halodrol or clone (don't think its even available) and ?
    My three choices
    For the record, my only bad experience was with a progestin, Methyl 1P
    I forgot propadrol, also considered

  13. Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    for info on the tren prohormone, check out the info on finigenX as this is the same ingredient.
    Awesome sticky btw

  14. Jay Edit: We don't provide sources or help those get around the legal system.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by cromwell View Post
    Familiar with it, curious as to the companys rep? I am going to run halodrol or clone (don't think its even available) and ?
    My three choices
    For the record, my only bad experience was with a progestin, Methyl 1P
    havoc has worked well enough so far, that I am not going to complicate things by adding anything. I will save that for next year

  16. Good work!!!

    Please, when you can, edit first post and add a line in any PH description, saying if that PH is a "dry" or a "wet" PH, and if is a precursor of a "Class I" or "Class II" steroid.

    That make you post PERFECT and very, very useful !!!

    Thanks for the post.

  17. I've just found that on the Net with info that would be interesting to ad to this PH profiles:

    The difference between "wet" and "dry" steroids/phs is water retention. Water retention is caused by estrogen through aromatase.

    Wikipedia: Aromatase is an enzyme of the cytochrome P450 superfamily (EC, whose function is to aromatize androgens (that is, to selectively increase their aromaticity), producing estrogens. As such, it is an important factor in sexual development.

    Effectively: Aromatase is when excess testosterone converts to estrogen.

    M1T (and subsequent legal variants/clones)


    M1T(and legal clones)

    On the strength category there are probably more, but from what I hear those are the biggies.

    Prohormone Classification

    Steroids are classified under 2 categories. Class I has a strong binding to the androgen receptor. Class II does not bind to the androgen receptors, rather it works through other means in the body.

    Simply put:
    Class I = binds to androgen receptor
    Class II = does not.

    These prohormones classifications are based on thier steroid counterparts. If there are any revisions needed PLEASE message me.
    Class I
    Boldenone based phs - 1,4AD & Bold
    Trenbolone based phs - Trenadrol & Trenaplex
    Testosterone based phs - Methyl 1 Testosterone
    Mepitiostane (Thioderon) based phs - Epithio & Clones (Havoc/Epistane/so on so forth)

    Class II
    Masteron (Dromostanolone) based phs - Superdrol & Clones
    Oral Turinabol (Dehydrochlormethyltestosteron e) based phs - Halodrol & Clones
    Dianabol (methandrostenolone) based phs - M1,4ADD etc
    Winstrol (stanozolol) based phs - Winztrol, Orastan-A, Furaguno, etc
    Furazabol (miotolan) based phs - Furazadrol etc
    Pheraplex & Clones

    Not Prohormones...
    AMS's products - test boosters
    Testabolan - ecdysterone
    Mass Tabs - test boosters
    Superdrol NG - Prasterone = DHEA, Methyl Xanthine = Caffine, Aprodine HCL = Pseudoephedrine Hydrochloride, ATD - test booster/aromatase inhibitor

    If you plan on stacking two prohormones at the same time, the best combinations are class I mixed with a class II. For example SD/Bold, Halo/Tren, M1T/Prop, and so on..

    Here's why, effectively when you take a class 1/class 1 stack, you're theoretically limiting your body's ability to suck up the little steroid molecules you're pumping into it. Think of it like a burger joint parking lot at lunchtime. There are no parking spots available, and you're stuck lying in wait for a spot to open up. It's the same situation for a dual class 1 stack.

    However, with a class 1/class 2 combination while one pro hormone floats around binding to the androgen receptor, the other little guy is busy attaching itself to other parts of the body to encourage growth.

  18. Adding that info to the original list:

    Innovator: Bioscience Technologies
    Nomenclature: 17b-methoxytrienosterone
    Pill size: 2mg
    Dosages: The label recommends 2-6mg daily, but many users report only noticing effects when dosed at 8-12mg.
    Side effects: Low liver toxicity. Some users say this is a libido killer, yet others say the exact opposite. Other users report sides of thinning hair/hair loss.
    Reputation: Seemingly underdosed, methoxy-TST could be considered an underrated designer, as many users have reported some substantial gains with higher dosages.

    Innovators: IBE, RPN, Spectra Force
    Nomenclature: 2a-3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol
    Pill Size: 10mg or 12.5mg depending on what brand you use
    Dosages: 20-50mg
    AAS Equivalent: Mepitiostane (Thioderon)
    DRY, Class-I
    Side Effects: Milder on liver and lipid levels than other methyls. Known to cause lower back and calf pumps.
    Reputation: There has had some spectroscopy and compound identification issues with these products, but from personal experience with it, is still a solid product. Many users have taken this compound as a solo run for gynecomastia reduction due to it's SERM-like and anti-aromatase properties. It is also a popular compound for use with the 'pulse method' of taking orals. Users can expect to see significant gains in both strength and mass.

    Innovator: Designer Supplements
    Nomenclature: 17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol
    Pill Size: 10mg
    Dosages: 10-40mg
    AAS Equivalent: Desoxymethyltestosterone/DMT (Madol)
    WET, Class-I
    Side Effects: liver toxicity, bad lipid profile, lower back and calf pumps, some users report aggrevation of gynecomastia with this compound.
    Reputation: Solid product for bulking. Wet gains. It is a sometimes used to jumpstart an injectable cycle. This is the less androgenic isomer in the Ergomax LMG matrix.

    Ergomax LMG
    Innovator: ALRI
    Nomenclature: 17-methyl-delta-2-etioallocholane & 17-methyl-delta-3-etioallocholane
    Pill Size: 10mg
    Dosages: 10-40mg
    Side effects: liver toxicity, bad lipid profiles, lower back and calf pumps, may aggrevate gynecomastia.
    Reputation: Again pretty solid for bulking. Users can expect similar gains as with pheraplex.

    Innovator: Designer Supplements
    Nomenclature: 2a, 17a-dimethyl-17-hydroxy-5a-etiocholan -3-one
    Pill size: 10mg
    Dosages: 10-30mg
    AAS Equivalent: Masteron (Dromostanolone)
    Side Effects: liver toxicity, bad lipid profiles, hypoglycemia lower back and calf pumps, some users report agrivation of gynecomastia with this compound. From personal experience, it gives me a wicked rebound, that causes some flare-up.
    Reputation: Side effects vary from mild to extremely harsh, so use caution if planning your first run. Excellent dry gains. Great for bulking or cutting. Explosive strength gains.
    This is a methylated form of Drostanolone (Masteron)

    Innovator: ALRI
    Nomenclature: 17b-Methoxy-Trienbolone
    Pill size: 1.5mg
    Dosages: 1.5-6mg
    Side effects: Affects libido (some positively some negatively), can aggrevate gynecomastia. May cause thinning hair/ hair loss. Also another progestin.
    Reputation: This guy is a real hit or miss. Some users loved the stuff, while others did not notice anything from it. From personal experience, I've noticed increases in strength as well as decreases in bodyfat.

    Innovator: Gaspari Nutrition
    Nomenclature: 4-chloro-17a-methyl-1,4-diene-3,17 diol
    Pill Size: 50mg
    Dosages: 25-75mg
    AAS Equivalent: Turinabol
    DRY, Class-II
    Side effects: Heptatoxicity, lower back/calf pumps
    Reputation: Milder than superdrol or pheraplex. Modest gains in mass and strength. Most users take this as part of a cutting cycle.
    This is a prosteroid of Turinabol.

    Prostanozol/ Orastan-E
    Innovators: ALRI, Gaspari Nutrition
    Nomenclature: [3,2-c]pyrazole-5alpha-etioallocholane-17beta-tetrahydropyranol
    Pill size: 25mg
    Dosages: 50-150mg (Although it is not uncommon to go much higher than this)
    Side effects: very few sides. Some users report thinning hair/hair loss.
    Reputation: Possibly the most mild of the designers, this compound is rarely run standalone. It is often stacked with a methyl compound for a lean bulk or cut. Very mild, yet easily maintained gains.
    This is a de-alkylated derivative of Stanozol (winstrol).

    Finigenix Magnum
    Innovators: PharmagenX
    Nomenclature: Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione
    Dosages: 50-75mg
    Side effects: aggrevation of gynecomastia. This is a progestin (it can convert to trenbolone). Expect tren-like sides.
    Reputation: Though there hasn't been much logged on this bad boy, those who've used it have liked it. This is a prohormone to Tren.

    Innovator: EST Nutrition
    Nomenclures: 12-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-diene &
    6-17 dihydroxyetiocholone-3-ol proponate
    Dosages: 1-2 caps daily
    Side effects: low side effects
    DRY, Class-II
    Reputation: User's who've taken it have reported great decreases in bodyfat, while increasing musclemass and strength. Not much data is present on this compound within this forum. NOTE: this is does not contain the same compound as Max LMG. They are close, but no cigar.

    Max LMG
    Innovator: ALRI
    Nomenclature: 13-ethyl-3methoxygona-2, 5(10)-dien-17-one
    Pill size: 25mg
    Dosages: 25-135mg daily
    Side effects: Can easily aggrevate gynecomastia. May be a libido killer. This is another progestin.
    Reputation: A bulking compound through and through. Users can expect great recovery, and soaking WET gains.

    Innovator: unknown
    Nomenclature: 17a-methyl-1,4-Androstadiene-3,17diol
    Dosages: 30-90mg daily
    AAS Equivalent: Dianabol (methandrostenolone)
    WET, Class-II
    Side effects: heptatoxicity, slight possibility to aggrevate gyno
    Reputation: Great for a bulk. Somewhat wet gains, and decent strength gains. This is a prohormone of Dianabol. However, since dianabol and Boldenone are so very similar, it is believed that the actions of this prohormone are more similar to boldenone than to dianabol (methylboldenone).

    1,4 AD
    Innovator: Molecular Nutrition
    Dosages: 300-600mg
    Nomenclature: 1,4-Androstadiene-3,17-dione
    Side effects: Mild
    AAS Equivalent: Boldenone
    DRY, Class-I
    Reputation: Very weak and not very cost-efficient at the moment. This compound is often stacked with a methyl to potentiate and accelerate gains. Cycles are usually run at a MINIMUM of 4 weeks as this one takes a few weeks to 'kick in'. Slow, steady, and easily maintainable gains. This is a prohormone of Boldenone.

    Innovator: Peak Performance Labs
    Dosages: 25-75mg
    AAS Equivalent: Clostebol
    Side effects: The usual sides associated with methylated compounds (heptatoxicity, lower back/calf pumps)
    Reputation: Very similar to that of Halodrol-50, although people who've tried both seem to prefer Halodrol. For a while a lot of people were conviced that these two products were one in the same. Rest assured, they are not. This is a methyl derivative of clostebol.

    Innovator: Spectra Force
    Nomenclature: 4-chloro-17 -methyl- etioallochol-4-ene- 17 -ol-3,11-dione
    Pill Size: 7.5mg
    Dosages: 7.5-22.5mg daily
    Side effects: Heptatoxicity from 17a-methylation. Very low androgenic sides.
    Reputation: Despite popular belief, this is not the most myotrophic designer out there: it has the highest Q factor. It is actually only about 77% as myotrophic as the active present in Havoc/Epistane/Hemaguno. Users taking Oxyguno can expect mass gains as well as excellent fatloss. Due to it's incredibly low androgenic ratio, strength gains are not as pronounced.

    Furaguno/ Ortasan-A
    Innovators: Spectra Force / Gaspari Nutrition
    Pill Size: 33mg
    Nomenclature: 5a0androstano[2,3-c] furazan-17b-tetrahydropyranol
    Dosages: 33-99mg daily
    AAS Equivalent: Winstrol (stanozolol)
    Side Effects: very mild
    Reputation: Supposedly lowers cholesterol, increases androgenic receptor activity, and does not induce any heptatoxicity. This product is too young on the market to have developed a reputation yet. Get some, log it, and let us know so I can update this compound's profile. This is a prosteroid to furazabol.

    3-AD / 11-oxo
    Innovator: Anabolic Xtreme / Ergopharm
    Pill Size: 150mg
    Dosages: 450mg
    Nomenclature: andrenosterone, 11-oxo-androstenedione, or 4-androstene-3,11,17-trione (all mean the same thing)
    Side effects: Mild
    Reputation: This prohormone has a great affinity for blocking up cortisol receptors. User's report great changes in body composition, namely significant fatloss.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by JBerto View Post
    Not Prohormones...

    Mass Tabs - test boosters
    Mass tabs were not prohormones THEY WERE STERIODS! MethySten (TM) = Methyl Stenbolone. Nice how they play it off as a test booster huh?

  20. Got a quick question here -

    What would be the best choice for an individual that runs 5-6 days a week on top of the weight routines? Looking for safety, as I've never cycled while doing this much cardio.
    Used PP/Finigenx and MTST/MTRN in the past. I've been looking mainly at Propadrol, but really not sure.

  21. New ? & Gone

    Maybe I missed it but the Three Methyols for Sostonol 250 ??
    Did you get those in here...

    Bout to do My purchase of sos 250 I bought on a whim...since I did 2 descent cycles of superdrol previously.....
    Got to get my PCT stuff first & let ths horrible winder season go away first. ( Hard gainer .stress of winter makes a difference ! )
    185 +/- almost 40 years old lifting seriously 4-6 years now. Bench easily ?? 240 x 10 squat "Comfortably" 350+/-..
  22. help

    i have been cycling on and off for about 20 yrs, have tried just about everything there is, but i just joined this site and after reading of all these designer roids that i have never heard of, how long has most of this stuff been around, and where would i purchase it because right now i just go to Tijuana, since i live in san diego where i get the normal decca, winny, sustenon 250ect. thank u


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