
I have a few suggestions here, and if anyone disagrees, please feel free to correct me.
1st, I think you'd do best to start with the Superdrol, then transition into the TRN, and I'd personally run Zol throughout, or maybe pick it up from week 3 on. Also, Piston Pump suggested I drop TRN 1 week before ending Zol, back when I ran the two and i think it was good advice. So that cycle would look more like this:
superdrol (10/10/10) wks. 1-3
TRN* (4/4/4) wks. 3-5
Zol (at say, 100/150/150/150/150/150) wks. 1-6
*If you stay at 4mg you should be ok with the sides, but at 6mg, almost universally speaking, people experience pretty bad sides.
Hope this helps.
Great Thread.
What is the reason behind why you would you drop trn 1 week
before ending the zol?? Also, do you think this would have me
more shutdown running the s d before the trn? I obviously want
to run a cutting cycle but I want to keep and even add some
mass if at all possible. My diet is 110% on the spot so that is
not a problem. I have alot of supps stocked up right now. I
have havoc(2), trn(2), s d(21 caps), and zol(1) & I have some
transdermal 4ad on the way. I wanted to cut up a bit, thats
why i'm saving my havoc. i would like to use that for something
else as a bulker (maybe 4ad or even 3ad). any other
suggestions?
To be honest, I don’t recall exactly why, but it had something to do with rebounding off the suppression caused by TRN, and not going directly into PCT (probably so it clears your system first). I searched his posts, but can’t find the one. Sorry about that.
Insofar as shutdown, I’d be concerned with shutdown either way you run those 2 in one cycle, but if your goal is mainly to cut, it only makes sense to go with sd first, then harden and define with the trn/zol. I don’t really think one way or the other makes a difference in terms of shutdown, though. And, I can’t stress this enough, but for the love of God, keep the dose of the TRN at 4mg. I ran it that way last time, and using proper pct experienced no shutdown.
By the way, are you sold on doing it with these products exactly? I just started a cutting cycle today that is somewhat similar to yours, but I’m using Hemadrol instead of sd, because, as it states at the beginning of this very thread, Hemadrol (an H-50 clone) is reputedly very mild on sides with low incidence of shutdown, etc. Just something to consider.
U r the sheet!! great stuff! im a new guy to prohormones and this helped me aot!! thanks man! sticky icky icky !!![]()
ahhh freak! way to make me waste my last 20 min of my life reading over this peice of shiiiiii.
LOL NO Sinner this is absolutely great brotha! Awesome that you did this for all the guys just comin in to it.... too bad i allready had all that scribed in my iron lock box of a brainlol.
very very veryill see if i can rep
Great posting! Should be a sticky.
The only thing that I personally take issue with is using SD as a cutter. During the cycle that I ran, the hypoglycemic effects (which you note) were so pronounced I can't see how I could eat few enough calories to cut. Maybe thats more specific to me as in some threads users had mentioned the appetite supression effect. But worth mentioning.
you could still get the same effects of a cut only you have to recreate your diet to suit your supplements, it has very high glycogen storing abilities therefore adding extra carbs during a cut WONT be detrimental since they will be stored in the muscles as glycogen and not as fat. just cant run your traditional cut diet but still VERY good for a cut if you know how to work it.
Correct. Superdrol's diuretic and nutrient partitioning effects are superb, and works great for that dryness and fullness you want at the end of a cut. In my current cutting log, I am planning to start a superdrol cycle 2 weeks before game day to take advantage of these effects.
i would do it slow, like 50-100 grams a day when needed (if you start feeling hypoglycemic) otherwise once you start "feelin" it, usualy a week and a half in, try 50g increases every couple days to make sure you dont put on excess weight but it wont be likely and you will see MUCH more in the strength department by doing so from the added glycogen retention. if you think your puttin on some chub cut back 50g and see if that solves it.
i haven't mentioned this on here but i actually have been getting hypoglycemic every once in awhile since i quit taking ap? i guess i might start a new thread and ask if anyone else has experienced that. kinda weird. i'm sure my diet has alot to do with it as well though.
Pheraplex is a progestin??? I was unaware of that. Not doubting you but I don't recall ever reading that anywhere. Certainly doesn't feel or act like a progestin.
Great thread by the way!!Reps for ya
great thread! I was looking for one of these a while ago but to no avail. This will be a great beginner read, esp if we keep updating with our experience and the newest stuff out!
reps to you thesinner!![]()
I'm fairly certain it's not a progestin, although it might have a very low affinity to bind to the progesterone receptors. From what I understand ALL orals have at least a slight affinitity of this nature, but that doesn't make them progestins. The 2-ene products are DMT/Madol (aka desoxymethyltestosterone). Max LMG was a progestin though.
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wait what...DS didn't originate Pheraplex...wasn't that AX?
cause I know Designer Supplements never had a Phera supplement
Ergomax was the original and I believe was actually an ALRI product. Can't remember if ALRI actually sold it under their label or if they just licensed it out to DS (and llater to AX).
PP was the "updated cleaner version". FWIR, this was due in part to the isomers used and if you go back you will see people ask about 2-ene and 3-ene ratios when asking about clones.
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