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Old 05-08-2007, 04:26 PM   #91
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Awesome post. I had been compiling a sort of "scorecard" like this myself, to keep track of what is what, but got nowhere near your completeness and level of detail.

One thing I'll argue with a bit:

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Prostanozol/ Orasan-E
Innovators: Gaspari Nutrition, ALRI
Nomenclature: [3,2-c]pyrazole-5alpha-etioallocholane-17beta-tetrahydropyranol
Pill size: 25mg
Dosages: 50-150mg (Although it is not uncommon to go much higher than this)
Side effects: very few sides. Some users report thinning hair/hair loss.
Reputation: Possibly the most mild of the designers, this compound is rarely run standalone. It is often stacked with a methyl compound for a lean bulk or cut. Very mild, yet easily maintained gains.
This is a de-alkylated derivative of Stanozol (winstrol).
I've read very out of whack liver and lipids from this substance, at least when combined with other allegedly mild (non methylated) substances. I think there is something whacky about the base compound; I know winny also profoundly alters liver and lipids. Anyway, until someone uses it by itself and gets blood tests, there really is no hard data on its mildness. It has a reputation as being mild, but other substances have actual hard data one way or another. The data on this one seem awfully skewed towards the M-1T end of things without the payoff.

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Old 05-09-2007, 05:11 PM   #93
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Hey sinner, could you possibly list in your write-up which steroids are class I and which steroids are class II. The hardest part for me personally when researching the steroids is trying to predict whether the steroid is class I or II. I havent really found much definitive data on this, and I think that it would be very beneficial for most users.
 
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Old 05-09-2007, 05:17 PM   #94
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Hey sinner, could you possibly list in your write-up which steroids are class I and which steroids are class II. The hardest part for me personally when researching the steroids is trying to predict whether the steroid is class I or II. I havent really found much definitive data on this, and I think that it would be very beneficial for most users.
I honestly don't know what you mean by the classes. Can you please elaborate?
 



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I believe he's referring to their control status.
 
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Class I activity refering to activity involving the androgen receptor. Class II activity refering to activity not mediated by the androgen receptor. Example of a primarilly Class I --- Tren. Example of a primarilly Class II --- Anadrol or Boldenone. Maybe I am mixed up or something...... these are just characteristics I look for in steroids. When I look for steroids that would stack well together I always look for a Class I and a Class II. Maybe I am screwed up and shouldnt look for these characteristics anymore.
 
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not screwed up at all.... cept most people figure classes considering it Androgenic or Anabolic or dry and wet. class I and II are ususally used in reference to controlled substances inlcuding rec drugs......

but choosing your substances accordingly is VERY important when considering your goals and/or stacks.
 
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so what is Methyl E? i noticed it's chem comp is close to havoc/epi but not only hlaf of it matchs up! so is it a new compound?
 
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so what is Methyl E? i noticed it's chem comp is close to havoc/epi but not only hlaf of it matchs up! so is it a new compound?
This is by EST (if my memory serves me correctly) it is a Havoc/epi clone. Double check the nomenclature on the site you saw it on. It could be one of two things:
1) They're using a synonym.
2) There's a typo in that site's write-up. (These are actually fairly common).
 



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Love this thread....and why hasnt it been stickied yet??
 
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Talking methyl e

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This is by EST (if my memory serves me correctly) it is a Havoc/epi clone. Double check the nomenclature on the site you saw it on. It could be one of two things:
1) They're using a synonym.
2) There's a typo in that site's write-up. (These are actually fairly common).
fo sho brah ! thatnks for the info. i was looking at it on a website.
 
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Old 05-10-2007, 06:48 PM   #102
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Well, it's still not 100% completed yet.

We're still awaiting more info on furaguno, oxyguno, 3-AD, and whatever it is that Ergopharm has been cooking up.
 



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Bump.

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sticky icky icky!!!
 
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sticky icky icky!!!
Oooheeeeee, put it in the air!
 
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