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  1. great thread! I was looking for one of these a while ago but to no avail. This will be a great beginner read, esp if we keep updating with our experience and the newest stuff out!

    reps to you thesinner!


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Leggo my Ego View Post
    Pheraplex is a progestin??? I was unaware of that. Not doubting you but I don't recall ever reading that anywhere. Certainly doesn't feel or act like a progestin.

    Great thread by the way!! Reps for ya
    I'm fairly certain it's not a progestin, although it might have a very low affinity to bind to the progesterone receptors. From what I understand ALL orals have at least a slight affinitity of this nature, but that doesn't make them progestins. The 2-ene products are DMT/Madol (aka desoxymethyltestosterone). Max LMG was a progestin though.
    RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49
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  3. wait what...DS didn't originate Pheraplex...wasn't that AX?

    cause I know Designer Supplements never had a Phera supplement

  4. Ergomax was the original and I believe was actually an ALRI product. Can't remember if ALRI actually sold it under their label or if they just licensed it out to DS (and llater to AX).

    PP was the "updated cleaner version". FWIR, this was due in part to the isomers used and if you go back you will see people ask about 2-ene and 3-ene ratios when asking about clones.
    RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49

  5. Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    Ergomax was the original and I believe was actually an ALRI product. Can't remember if ALRI actually sold it under their label or if they just licensed it out to DS (and llater to AX).

    PP was the "updated cleaner version". FWIR, this was due in part to the isomers used and if you go back you will see people ask about 2-ene and 3-ene ratios when asking about clones.
    It was ALRI. After they discontinued sales, they repackaged what they had for export under the label "Dominator." The write-up on the "dominator" bottle makes it sound like the product is a sexual aid.
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  6. Oh yeah, that was sold in South America, right? I've read about that a few times.
    RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    Oh yeah, that was sold in South America, right? I've read about that a few times.
    A few found their way into the states.

  8. hmm never heard that! very interesting!

  9. So is Phera not a progestin? I was under the impression that it was, or at least gave progestin-like effects. From the research I did, I was not able to find what structural features constitute a hormone as a progestin, so I'll be more than happy to update the profile if I can get some sort of confirmation.

    Quote Originally Posted by FitModel View Post
    wait what...DS didn't originate Pheraplex...wasn't that AX?

    cause I know Designer Supplements never had a Phera supplement
    DS originated it, but I don't think it was ever released under their label.
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  10. It's an androstane


    Pheraplex tests positive as methyltest. Etioallocholan is the same thing as 5a-androst (delta-2 is the same as 2-ene, but I'm not sure that it matters in this case).

    I think SNS Methyl Drol used whichever variation of Etioallocholan/5a-androst that Superdrol did not. Just pointing that out for any skeptics. Go ahead, look it up

    EDIT: Just found these as attachments on another post here at AM by French Muscle....not sure whot that is, but wanted to give him credit them
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    RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49

  11. Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    I'm fairly certain it's not a progestin, although it might have a very low affinity to bind to the progesterone receptors. From what I understand ALL orals have at least a slight affinitity of this nature, but that doesn't make them progestins. The 2-ene products are DMT/Madol (aka desoxymethyltestosterone). Max LMG was a progestin though.
    Why do I seem to recall that Ergomax / Phera was a pheromone with a high affinity for the AR, not a progestin.
    (of course, this could be Erogmax LMG, or 3-ene as opposed to the 2-ene)
    Honestly, I dont recall if to make it a supplement, they had to find it in nature somehow,.. :P
    Someone tell me Im crazy so I can erase this crazy a$$ post out of existance quickly!!

  12. Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    . The 2-ene products are DMT/Madol (aka desoxymethyltestosterone)
    That was the impression I was under

  13. Quote Originally Posted by xtraflossy View Post
    Why do I seem to recall that Ergomax / Phera was a pheromone with a high affinity for the AR, not a progestin.
    (of course, this could be Erogmax LMG, or 3-ene as opposed to the 2-ene)
    Honestly, I dont recall if to make it a supplement, they had to find it in nature somehow,.. :P
    Someone tell me Im crazy so I can erase this crazy a$$ post out of existance quickly!!
    Yeah, Ergo was referred to as a pheromone. They called their compound a "pheromone matrix"...I think it may have been claimed to be found in...elephant piss. I think one of the older clones was even called Elephant Max (but that might have been another product).
    RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49

  14. Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    Yeah, Ergo was referred to as a pheromone. They called their compound a "pheromone matrix"...I think it may have been claimed to be found in...elephant piss. I think one of the older clones was even called Elephant Max (but that might have been another product).
    Thats what I was thinking,... but,. .I was already making some outrageous claims there, and didnt wantr to further discreadit my name with the whole elephant piss thing :P

  15. I was thinking about this shiat while I was cutting the grass...I think they called their pheromone matrix "Pherabolix".
    RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49

  16. All better
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  17. Awesome post. I had been compiling a sort of "scorecard" like this myself, to keep track of what is what, but got nowhere near your completeness and level of detail.

    One thing I'll argue with a bit:

    Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    Prostanozol/ Orasan-E
    Innovators: Gaspari Nutrition, ALRI
    Nomenclature: [3,2-c]pyrazole-5alpha-etioallocholane-17beta-tetrahydropyranol
    Pill size: 25mg
    Dosages: 50-150mg (Although it is not uncommon to go much higher than this)
    Side effects: very few sides. Some users report thinning hair/hair loss.
    Reputation: Possibly the most mild of the designers, this compound is rarely run standalone. It is often stacked with a methyl compound for a lean bulk or cut. Very mild, yet easily maintained gains.
    This is a de-alkylated derivative of Stanozol (winstrol).
    I've read very out of whack liver and lipids from this substance, at least when combined with other allegedly mild (non methylated) substances. I think there is something whacky about the base compound; I know winny also profoundly alters liver and lipids. Anyway, until someone uses it by itself and gets blood tests, there really is no hard data on its mildness. It has a reputation as being mild, but other substances have actual hard data one way or another. The data on this one seem awfully skewed towards the M-1T end of things without the payoff.

    -p66

  18. Hey sinner, could you possibly list in your write-up which steroids are class I and which steroids are class II. The hardest part for me personally when researching the steroids is trying to predict whether the steroid is class I or II. I havent really found much definitive data on this, and I think that it would be very beneficial for most users.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by haroldjg View Post
    Hey sinner, could you possibly list in your write-up which steroids are class I and which steroids are class II. The hardest part for me personally when researching the steroids is trying to predict whether the steroid is class I or II. I havent really found much definitive data on this, and I think that it would be very beneficial for most users.
    I honestly don't know what you mean by the classes. Can you please elaborate?
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  20. I believe he's referring to their control status.
    RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49

  21. Class I activity refering to activity involving the androgen receptor. Class II activity refering to activity not mediated by the androgen receptor. Example of a primarilly Class I --- Tren. Example of a primarilly Class II --- Anadrol or Boldenone. Maybe I am mixed up or something...... these are just characteristics I look for in steroids. When I look for steroids that would stack well together I always look for a Class I and a Class II. Maybe I am screwed up and shouldnt look for these characteristics anymore.

  22. not screwed up at all.... cept most people figure classes considering it Androgenic or Anabolic or dry and wet. class I and II are ususally used in reference to controlled substances inlcuding rec drugs......

    but choosing your substances accordingly is VERY important when considering your goals and/or stacks.

  23. so what is Methyl E? i noticed it's chem comp is close to havoc/epi but not only hlaf of it matchs up! so is it a new compound?

  24. Quote Originally Posted by grila jujitsu View Post
    so what is Methyl E? i noticed it's chem comp is close to havoc/epi but not only hlaf of it matchs up! so is it a new compound?
    This is by EST (if my memory serves me correctly) it is a Havoc/epi clone. Double check the nomenclature on the site you saw it on. It could be one of two things:
    1) They're using a synonym.
    2) There's a typo in that site's write-up. (These are actually fairly common).
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  25. Love this thread....and why hasnt it been stickied yet??
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