All better

Awesome post. I had been compiling a sort of "scorecard" like this myself, to keep track of what is what, but got nowhere near your completeness and level of detail.

One thing I'll argue with a bit:

Originally Posted by thesinner

Prostanozol/ Orasan-E
Innovators: Gaspari Nutrition, ALRI
Nomenclature: [3,2-c]pyrazole-5alpha-etioallocholane-17beta-tetrahydropyranol
Pill size: 25mg
Dosages: 50-150mg (Although it is not uncommon to go much higher than this)
Side effects: very few sides. Some users report thinning hair/hair loss.
Reputation: Possibly the most mild of the designers, this compound is rarely run standalone. It is often stacked with a methyl compound for a lean bulk or cut. Very mild, yet easily maintained gains.
This is a de-alkylated derivative of Stanozol (winstrol).

I've read very out of whack liver and lipids from this substance, at least when combined with other allegedly mild (non methylated) substances. I think there is something whacky about the base compound; I know winny also profoundly alters liver and lipids. Anyway, until someone uses it by itself and gets blood tests, there really is no hard data on its mildness. It has a reputation as being mild, but other substances have actual hard data one way or another. The data on this one seem awfully skewed towards the M-1T end of things without the payoff.

-p66

Hey sinner, could you possibly list in your write-up which steroids are class I and which steroids are class II. The hardest part for me personally when researching the steroids is trying to predict whether the steroid is class I or II. I havent really found much definitive data on this, and I think that it would be very beneficial for most users.

Originally Posted by haroldjg

Hey sinner, could you possibly list in your write-up which steroids are class I and which steroids are class II. The hardest part for me personally when researching the steroids is trying to predict whether the steroid is class I or II. I havent really found much definitive data on this, and I think that it would be very beneficial for most users.

I honestly don't know what you mean by the classes. Can you please elaborate?

I believe he's referring to their control status.

Class I activity refering to activity involving the androgen receptor. Class II activity refering to activity not mediated by the androgen receptor. Example of a primarilly Class I --- Tren. Example of a primarilly Class II --- Anadrol or Boldenone. Maybe I am mixed up or something...... these are just characteristics I look for in steroids. When I look for steroids that would stack well together I always look for a Class I and a Class II. Maybe I am screwed up and shouldnt look for these characteristics anymore.

not screwed up at all.... cept most people figure classes considering it Androgenic or Anabolic or dry and wet. class I and II are ususally used in reference to controlled substances inlcuding rec drugs......

but choosing your substances accordingly is VERY important when considering your goals and/or stacks.

so what is Methyl E? i noticed it's chem comp is close to havoc/epi but not only hlaf of it matchs up! so is it a new compound?

Originally Posted by grila jujitsu

so what is Methyl E? i noticed it's chem comp is close to havoc/epi but not only hlaf of it matchs up! so is it a new compound?

This is by EST (if my memory serves me correctly) it is a Havoc/epi clone. Double check the nomenclature on the site you saw it on. It could be one of two things:
1) They're using a synonym.
2) There's a typo in that site's write-up. (These are actually fairly common).

Love this thread....and why hasnt it been stickied yet??

Originally Posted by thesinner

This is by EST (if my memory serves me correctly) it is a Havoc/epi clone. Double check the nomenclature on the site you saw it on. It could be one of two things:
1) They're using a synonym.
2) There's a typo in that site's write-up. (These are actually fairly common).

fo sho brah ! thatnks for the info. i was looking at it on a website.

Well, it's still not 100% completed yet.

We're still awaiting more info on furaguno, oxyguno, 3-AD, and whatever it is that Ergopharm has been cooking up.

Bump.

Looking forward to this becoming a sticky.

sticky icky icky!!!

Originally Posted by poopypants

sticky icky icky!!!

Oooheeeeee, put it in the air!

Sinner got a write-up for M1P? I will be logging 17 Methyl-Bol from EST which is a clone of M1P.

Originally Posted by UNCfan1

Sinner got a write-up for M1P? I will be logging 17 Methyl-Bol from EST which is a clone of M1P.

Be sure to PM me a link, I'd love to follow.

Originally Posted by thesinner

Be sure to PM me a link, I'd love to follow.

I was thinking of logging it here too. I will be bridging it with Methyl-E. From what I have read its low on the toxicity and a tad wet so it will be a pretty bulker well thats what I am hoping for.

Originally Posted by UNCfan1

I was thinking of logging it here too. I will be bridging it with Methyl-E. From what I have read its low on the toxicity and a tad wet so it will be a pretty bulker well thats what I am hoping for.

I could be mistaken, but I believe Methyl-E is the same as Havoc/ Epistane. So, wetness 'should' not be an attribute. Then again, Poopy gained 13 pds off epi.

Originally Posted by D_town

I could be mistaken, but I believe Methyl-E is the same as Havoc/ Epistane. So, wetness 'should' not be an attribute. Then again, Poopy gained 13 pds off epi.

I was saying the 17 MB was a tad wet and the Methyl-E should help me lean out after the 17 MB.

Originally Posted by UNCfan1

I was saying the 17 MB was a tad wet and the Methyl-E should help me lean out after the 17 MB.

now it is clear to me

Dang Poppy gained 13lbs on Epi thats awesome. Well I had better a little more than that with this stack.

Originally Posted by D_town

I could be mistaken, but I believe Methyl-E is the same as Havoc/ Epistane. So, wetness 'should' not be an attribute. Then again, Poopy gained 13 pds off epi.

13.5.... n it wasnt wet in the least, it was almost superdrolish in it weight gains and i added another 5 during post cycle therapy. all LBM as i can say i havnt put on any extra fat and wasnt bloated or just holding water since i havnt even taken creatine for a week now and still holding same weight. btw strength all stayed too, infact im stronger now then when i was on.

just lots of good sourced clean cals and hard ass work.

Originally Posted by thesinner

Yeah, A few weeks/months ago (I lose track of time) I was talking to someone on this forum, who was looking to run his first designer cycle. I gave him the low down on things I've run, and he mentioned the idea of creating a sticky for it.

I think I broke the "spread some reps" box when you sent that reply to my thread!

With your background, I could see you starting your own supplement/research chemical company.

SinnerSupplements

ok so heres my question, what are mass tans considered? they r some what like superdral but there not the same i dont think.

mass tabs
2a, 17a-dimethyl-17ß-hydroxy-5a-androstan-1-ene-3one

Originally Posted by UNCfan1

I was saying the 17 MB was a tad wet and the Methyl-E should help me lean out after the 17 MB.

Alot of bad reviews about M1P, I took it and it sucked! And the methyl E is no better!

whats methyl e??????

Originally Posted by poopypants

whats methyl e??????

supposed to be epi clone

Originally Posted by jerz912

Alot of bad reviews about M1P, I took it and it sucked! And the methyl E is no better!

When did you take M1-P? I was just wondering, since your 21 and M1-P hasn't been readily available for over a year. BTW, 17-Methyl Bol is structure as a -diol and M1-P is a -dione. That greatly affects the compound's potency. BTW, I recommend that you stop stacking SD with Methyl E. I understand that you feel that it(Methyl E)wasn't providing you with results you were looking for in two weeks, but the stack of SD and Methyl E is harmful and not your best interest health-wise.

I think H-Bomb has that same "diol" structure you're referring to, plus some AIs. I would like to hear some real world experience on this product too