[Mass_69]

Originally Posted by thesinner

How about I say it is a methylated derivative of clostebol?

Hey! I already named the target hormone, "methylclostebol."

[xtraflossy]

Originally Posted by Mass_69

Hey! I already named the target hormone, "methylclostebol."

lol- I see you did. My bad- I kept one window open, while searching in another one.

[ThisGuy02]

Originally Posted by sfearl1

i'm thinking about running a m-trn/m-zol/superdrol soon. it would like like this

trn-1234
zol-3456
superdrol-456 10/10/10

what dosages do you guys think should be run on the trn and zol?? i've seen low low dosages and very high as well so i'm not too sure because i've never run trn or zol. pc t will be torm, hdx2, massfx, retain, and probably some fenu. i also have some activate but that might be overkill.

I have a few suggestions here, and if anyone disagrees, please feel free to correct me.

1st, I think you'd do best to start with the Superdrol, then transition into the TRN, and I'd personally run Zol throughout, or maybe pick it up from week 3 on. Also, Piston Pump suggested I drop TRN 1 week before ending Zol, back when I ran the two and i think it was good advice. So that cycle would look more like this:

superdrol (10/10/10) wks. 1-3
TRN* (4/4/4) wks. 3-5
Zol (at say, 100/150/150/150/150/150) wks. 1-6

*If you stay at 4mg you should be ok with the sides, but at 6mg, almost universally speaking, people experience pretty bad sides.

Hope this helps.

[Big BAMA]

Great Thread.

[sfearl1]

Originally Posted by ThisGuy02

I have a few suggestions here, and if anyone disagrees, please feel free to correct me.

1st, I think you'd do best to start with the Superdrol, then transition into the TRN, and I'd personally run Zol throughout, or maybe pick it up from week 3 on. Also, Piston Pump suggested I drop TRN 1 week before ending Zol, back when I ran the two and i think it was good advice. So that cycle would look more like this:

superdrol (10/10/10) wks. 1-3
TRN* (4/4/4) wks. 3-5
Zol (at say, 100/150/150/150/150/150) wks. 1-6

*If you stay at 4mg you should be ok with the sides, but at 6mg, almost universally speaking, people experience pretty bad sides.

Hope this helps.

What is the reason behind why you would you drop trn 1 week

before ending the zol?? Also, do you think this would have me

more shutdown running the s d before the trn? I obviously want

to run a cutting cycle but I want to keep and even add some

mass if at all possible. My diet is 110% on the spot so that is

not a problem. I have alot of supps stocked up right now. I

have havoc(2), trn(2), s d(21 caps), and zol(1) & I have some

transdermal 4ad on the way. I wanted to cut up a bit, thats

why i'm saving my havoc. i would like to use that for something

else as a bulker (maybe 4ad or even 3ad). any other

suggestions?

[ThisGuy02]

Originally Posted by sfearl1

What is the reason behind why you would you drop trn 1 week

before ending the zol?? Also, do you think this would have me

more shutdown running the s d before the trn? I obviously want

to run a cutting cycle but I want to keep and even add some

mass if at all possible. My diet is 110% on the spot so that is

not a problem. I have alot of supps stocked up right now. I

have havoc(2), trn(2), s d(21 caps), and zol(1) & I have some

transdermal 4ad on the way. I wanted to cut up a bit, thats

why i'm saving my havoc. i would like to use that for something

else as a bulker (maybe 4ad or even 3ad). any other

suggestions?

To be honest, I don’t recall exactly why, but it had something to do with rebounding off the suppression caused by TRN, and not going directly into PCT (probably so it clears your system first). I searched his posts, but can’t find the one. Sorry about that.

Insofar as shutdown, I’d be concerned with shutdown either way you run those 2 in one cycle, but if your goal is mainly to cut, it only makes sense to go with sd first, then harden and define with the trn/zol. I don’t really think one way or the other makes a difference in terms of shutdown, though. And, I can’t stress this enough, but for the love of God, keep the dose of the TRN at 4mg. I ran it that way last time, and using proper pct experienced no shutdown.

By the way, are you sold on doing it with these products exactly? I just started a cutting cycle today that is somewhat similar to yours, but I’m using Hemadrol instead of sd, because, as it states at the beginning of this very thread, Hemadrol (an H-50 clone) is reputedly very mild on sides with low incidence of shutdown, etc. Just something to consider.

[grila jujitsu]

U r the sheet!! great stuff! im a new guy to prohormones and this helped me aot!! thanks man! sticky icky icky !!

[poopypants]

ahhh freak! way to make me waste my last 20 min of my life reading over this peice of shiiiiii.

LOL NO Sinner this is absolutely great brotha! Awesome that you did this for all the guys just comin in to it.... too bad i allready had all that scribed in my iron lock box of a brain lol.

very very very ill see if i can rep

[precious_roy]

Great posting! Should be a sticky.

The only thing that I personally take issue with is using SD as a cutter. During the cycle that I ran, the hypoglycemic effects (which you note) were so pronounced I can't see how I could eat few enough calories to cut. Maybe thats more specific to me as in some threads users had mentioned the appetite supression effect. But worth mentioning.

[poopypants]

Originally Posted by precious_roy

Great posting! Should be a sticky.

The only thing that I personally take issue with is using superdrol as a cutter. During the cycle that I ran, the hypoglycemic effects (which you note) were so pronounced I can't see how I could eat few enough calories to cut. Maybe thats more specific to me as in some threads users had mentioned the appetite supression effect. But worth mentioning.

you could still get the same effects of a cut only you have to recreate your diet to suit your supplements, it has very high glycogen storing abilities therefore adding extra carbs during a cut WONT be detrimental since they will be stored in the muscles as glycogen and not as fat. just cant run your traditional cut diet but still VERY good for a cut if you know how to work it.

[thesinner]

Originally Posted by poopypants

you could still get the same effects of a cut only you have to recreate your diet to suit your supplements, it has very high glycogen storing abilities therefore adding extra carbs during a cut WONT be detrimental since they will be stored in the muscles as glycogen and not as fat. just cant run your traditional cut diet but still VERY good for a cut if you know how to work it.

Correct. Superdrol's diuretic and nutrient partitioning effects are superb, and works great for that dryness and fullness you want at the end of a cut. In my current cutting log, I am planning to start a superdrol cycle 2 weeks before game day to take advantage of these effects.

[sfearl1]

Originally Posted by poopypants

you could still get the same effects of a cut only you have to recreate your diet to suit your supplements, it has very high glycogen storing abilities therefore adding extra carbs during a cut WONT be detrimental since they will be stored in the muscles as glycogen and not as fat. just cant run your traditional cut diet but still VERY good for a cut if you know how to work it.

i have been on a "cut" for about a month now. my diet is perfect right now. obviously i'm going to eat a buttload more on cycle. so your saying just up my carb intake accordingly for the duration of my cycle?

[poopypants]

Originally Posted by sfearl1

i have been on a "cut" for about a month now. my diet is perfect right now. obviously i'm going to eat a buttload more on cycle. so your saying just up my carb intake accordingly for the duration of my cycle?

i would do it slow, like 50-100 grams a day when needed (if you start feeling hypoglycemic) otherwise once you start "feelin" it, usualy a week and a half in, try 50g increases every couple days to make sure you dont put on excess weight but it wont be likely and you will see MUCH more in the strength department by doing so from the added glycogen retention. if you think your puttin on some chub cut back 50g and see if that solves it.

[sfearl1]

Originally Posted by poopypants

i would do it slow, like 50-100 grams a day when needed (if you start feeling hypoglycemic) otherwise once you start "feelin" it, usualy a week and a half in, try 50g increases every couple days to make sure you dont put on excess weight but it wont be likely and you will see MUCH more in the strength department by doing so from the added glycogen retention. if you think your puttin on some chub cut back 50g and see if that solves it.

i haven't mentioned this on here but i actually have been getting hypoglycemic every once in awhile since i quit taking ap? i guess i might start a new thread and ask if anyone else has experienced that. kinda weird. i'm sure my diet has alot to do with it as well though.