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    Oh yeah, that was sold in South America, right? I've read about that a few times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    Oh yeah, that was sold in South America, right? I've read about that a few times.
    A few found their way into the states.
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    hmm never heard that! very interesting!
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    So is Phera not a progestin? I was under the impression that it was, or at least gave progestin-like effects. From the research I did, I was not able to find what structural features constitute a hormone as a progestin, so I'll be more than happy to update the profile if I can get some sort of confirmation.

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    wait what...DS didn't originate Pheraplex...wasn't that AX?

    cause I know Designer Supplements never had a Phera supplement
    DS originated it, but I don't think it was ever released under their label.
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    It's an androstane


    Pheraplex tests positive as methyltest. Etioallocholan is the same thing as 5a-androst (delta-2 is the same as 2-ene, but I'm not sure that it matters in this case).

    I think SNS Methyl Drol used whichever variation of Etioallocholan/5a-androst that Superdrol did not. Just pointing that out for any skeptics. Go ahead, look it up

    EDIT: Just found these as attachments on another post here at AM by French Muscle....not sure whot that is, but wanted to give him credit them
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    I'm fairly certain it's not a progestin, although it might have a very low affinity to bind to the progesterone receptors. From what I understand ALL orals have at least a slight affinitity of this nature, but that doesn't make them progestins. The 2-ene products are DMT/Madol (aka desoxymethyltestosterone). Max LMG was a progestin though.
    Why do I seem to recall that Ergomax / Phera was a pheromone with a high affinity for the AR, not a progestin.
    (of course, this could be Erogmax LMG, or 3-ene as opposed to the 2-ene)
    Honestly, I dont recall if to make it a supplement, they had to find it in nature somehow,.. :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    . The 2-ene products are DMT/Madol (aka desoxymethyltestosterone)
    That was the impression I was under
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    Quote Originally Posted by xtraflossy View Post
    Why do I seem to recall that Ergomax / Phera was a pheromone with a high affinity for the AR, not a progestin.
    (of course, this could be Erogmax LMG, or 3-ene as opposed to the 2-ene)
    Honestly, I dont recall if to make it a supplement, they had to find it in nature somehow,.. :P
    Someone tell me Im crazy so I can erase this crazy a$$ post out of existance quickly!!
    Yeah, Ergo was referred to as a pheromone. They called their compound a "pheromone matrix"...I think it may have been claimed to be found in...elephant piss. I think one of the older clones was even called Elephant Max (but that might have been another product).
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    Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    Yeah, Ergo was referred to as a pheromone. They called their compound a "pheromone matrix"...I think it may have been claimed to be found in...elephant piss. I think one of the older clones was even called Elephant Max (but that might have been another product).
    Thats what I was thinking,... but,. .I was already making some outrageous claims there, and didnt wantr to further discreadit my name with the whole elephant piss thing :P
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    I was thinking about this shiat while I was cutting the grass...I think they called their pheromone matrix "Pherabolix".
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    Awesome post. I had been compiling a sort of "scorecard" like this myself, to keep track of what is what, but got nowhere near your completeness and level of detail.

    One thing I'll argue with a bit:

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    Prostanozol/ Orasan-E
    Innovators: Gaspari Nutrition, ALRI
    Nomenclature: [3,2-c]pyrazole-5alpha-etioallocholane-17beta-tetrahydropyranol
    Pill size: 25mg
    Dosages: 50-150mg (Although it is not uncommon to go much higher than this)
    Side effects: very few sides. Some users report thinning hair/hair loss.
    Reputation: Possibly the most mild of the designers, this compound is rarely run standalone. It is often stacked with a methyl compound for a lean bulk or cut. Very mild, yet easily maintained gains.
    This is a de-alkylated derivative of Stanozol (winstrol).
    I've read very out of whack liver and lipids from this substance, at least when combined with other allegedly mild (non methylated) substances. I think there is something whacky about the base compound; I know winny also profoundly alters liver and lipids. Anyway, until someone uses it by itself and gets blood tests, there really is no hard data on its mildness. It has a reputation as being mild, but other substances have actual hard data one way or another. The data on this one seem awfully skewed towards the M-1T end of things without the payoff.

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    Hey sinner, could you possibly list in your write-up which steroids are class I and which steroids are class II. The hardest part for me personally when researching the steroids is trying to predict whether the steroid is class I or II. I havent really found much definitive data on this, and I think that it would be very beneficial for most users.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haroldjg View Post
    Hey sinner, could you possibly list in your write-up which steroids are class I and which steroids are class II. The hardest part for me personally when researching the steroids is trying to predict whether the steroid is class I or II. I havent really found much definitive data on this, and I think that it would be very beneficial for most users.
    I honestly don't know what you mean by the classes. Can you please elaborate?
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    I believe he's referring to their control status.
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    Class I activity refering to activity involving the androgen receptor. Class II activity refering to activity not mediated by the androgen receptor. Example of a primarilly Class I --- Tren. Example of a primarilly Class II --- Anadrol or Boldenone. Maybe I am mixed up or something...... these are just characteristics I look for in steroids. When I look for steroids that would stack well together I always look for a Class I and a Class II. Maybe I am screwed up and shouldnt look for these characteristics anymore.
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    not screwed up at all.... cept most people figure classes considering it Androgenic or Anabolic or dry and wet. class I and II are ususally used in reference to controlled substances inlcuding rec drugs......

    but choosing your substances accordingly is VERY important when considering your goals and/or stacks.
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    so what is Methyl E? i noticed it's chem comp is close to havoc/epi but not only hlaf of it matchs up! so is it a new compound?
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    Quote Originally Posted by grila jujitsu View Post
    so what is Methyl E? i noticed it's chem comp is close to havoc/epi but not only hlaf of it matchs up! so is it a new compound?
    This is by EST (if my memory serves me correctly) it is a Havoc/epi clone. Double check the nomenclature on the site you saw it on. It could be one of two things:
    1) They're using a synonym.
    2) There's a typo in that site's write-up. (These are actually fairly common).
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    Love this thread....and why hasnt it been stickied yet??
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    Talking methyl e


    Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    This is by EST (if my memory serves me correctly) it is a Havoc/epi clone. Double check the nomenclature on the site you saw it on. It could be one of two things:
    1) They're using a synonym.
    2) There's a typo in that site's write-up. (These are actually fairly common).
    fo sho brah ! thatnks for the info. i was looking at it on a website.
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    Well, it's still not 100% completed yet.

    We're still awaiting more info on furaguno, oxyguno, 3-AD, and whatever it is that Ergopharm has been cooking up.
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    Bump.

    Looking forward to this becoming a sticky.
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    sticky icky icky!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by poopypants View Post
    sticky icky icky!!!
    Oooheeeeee, put it in the air!
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    Sinner got a write-up for M1P? I will be logging 17 Methyl-Bol from EST which is a clone of M1P.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNCfan1 View Post
    Sinner got a write-up for M1P? I will be logging 17 Methyl-Bol from EST which is a clone of M1P.
    Be sure to PM me a link, I'd love to follow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    Be sure to PM me a link, I'd love to follow.
    I was thinking of logging it here too. I will be bridging it with Methyl-E. From what I have read its low on the toxicity and a tad wet so it will be a pretty bulker well thats what I am hoping for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNCfan1 View Post
    I was thinking of logging it here too. I will be bridging it with Methyl-E. From what I have read its low on the toxicity and a tad wet so it will be a pretty bulker well thats what I am hoping for.
    I could be mistaken, but I believe Methyl-E is the same as Havoc/ Epistane. So, wetness 'should' not be an attribute. Then again, Poopy gained 13 pds off epi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by D_town View Post
    I could be mistaken, but I believe Methyl-E is the same as Havoc/ Epistane. So, wetness 'should' not be an attribute. Then again, Poopy gained 13 pds off epi.
    I was saying the 17 MB was a tad wet and the Methyl-E should help me lean out after the 17 MB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNCfan1 View Post
    I was saying the 17 MB was a tad wet and the Methyl-E should help me lean out after the 17 MB.
    now it is clear to me
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    Dang Poppy gained 13lbs on Epi thats awesome. Well I had better a little more than that with this stack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by D_town View Post
    I could be mistaken, but I believe Methyl-E is the same as Havoc/ Epistane. So, wetness 'should' not be an attribute. Then again, Poopy gained 13 pds off epi.
    13.5.... n it wasnt wet in the least, it was almost superdrolish in it weight gains and i added another 5 during post cycle therapy. all LBM as i can say i havnt put on any extra fat and wasnt bloated or just holding water since i havnt even taken creatine for a week now and still holding same weight. btw strength all stayed too, infact im stronger now then when i was on.

    just lots of good sourced clean cals and hard ass work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    Yeah, A few weeks/months ago (I lose track of time) I was talking to someone on this forum, who was looking to run his first designer cycle. I gave him the low down on things I've run, and he mentioned the idea of creating a sticky for it.
    I think I broke the "spread some reps" box when you sent that reply to my thread!

    With your background, I could see you starting your own supplement/research chemical company.

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    ok so heres my question, what are mass tans considered? they r some what like superdral but there not the same i dont think.

    mass tabs
    2a, 17a-dimethyl-17-hydroxy-5a-androstan-1-ene-3one
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNCfan1 View Post
    I was saying the 17 MB was a tad wet and the Methyl-E should help me lean out after the 17 MB.
    Alot of bad reviews about M1P, I took it and it sucked! And the methyl E is no better!
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    whats methyl e??????
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    Quote Originally Posted by poopypants View Post
    whats methyl e??????
    supposed to be epi clone
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    Quote Originally Posted by jerz912 View Post
    Alot of bad reviews about M1P, I took it and it sucked! And the methyl E is no better!
    When did you take M1-P? I was just wondering, since your 21 and M1-P hasn't been readily available for over a year. BTW, 17-Methyl Bol is structure as a -diol and M1-P is a -dione. That greatly affects the compound's potency. BTW, I recommend that you stop stacking SD with Methyl E. I understand that you feel that it(Methyl E)wasn't providing you with results you were looking for in two weeks, but the stack of SD and Methyl E is harmful and not your best interest health-wise.
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    I think H-Bomb has that same "diol" structure you're referring to, plus some AIs. I would like to hear some real world experience on this product too
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