Designer Steroid/prohormone profiles
- 04-28-2007, 12:34 AM
Right now I've got:
Methoxy-TRN/Pheraplex or Methoxy-TRN/Pheraplex/Prostanozol
If you can think of any other "popular" stacks, feel free to chime in, and I'll try 'n' make a new thread some time in the next couple of weeks.
- 04-28-2007, 04:21 PM
Great post. Thanks. I did not see Hemadrol mentioned anywhere? I read that it is exactly the same as Halodrol -50. But not sure if it's the same potency. I would like to know about that from anyone. None the less, graet post man!! reps to you.
- 04-28-2007, 04:55 PM
04-28-2007, 05:23 PM
04-29-2007, 04:38 PM
Sinner I copied and pasted this great thread and posted it at DA hope u don't mind.
Really good stuff man. Should help out alot of newbs over there.
04-29-2007, 04:48 PM
04-29-2007, 04:48 PM
04-29-2007, 06:32 PM
i'm thinking about running a m-trn/m-zol/superdrol soon. it would like like this
what dosages do you guys think should be run on the trn and zol?? i've seen low low dosages and very high as well so i'm not too sure because i've never run trn or zol. pc t will be torm, hdx2, massfx, retain, and probably some fenu. i also have some activate but that might be overkill.
04-29-2007, 06:39 PM
If you start low, you can always increase the dosages. In my opinion, the less you can take (and still see results) the better.
04-29-2007, 08:34 PM
Havoc has had some spectroscopy issues
I was under the impression Havoc tested fine and Epi was spurious?
04-29-2007, 09:01 PM
04-29-2007, 09:05 PM
04-30-2007, 08:32 AM
Both have been accused of having problems, whether it be purity, molecular weight or the actual compound or compounds in the pill.
But lets not make another thread about this...hahaha
04-30-2007, 08:59 AM
04-30-2007, 09:25 AM
04-30-2007, 11:25 AM
I thought I should note , Progmag-25 is a ph to Methyl-Test. Althought it LOOKS like H-50.
It also appears (from some of the more recent logs) that users can expect about the same results ... you know, since it ,. um IS eventually methyl test :P
It might be helpgull to identify the progestins specificly in addition to it may or may not kill libedo)..
those would be finni, MaxLMG, TRN, and propadrol (,--me thinks)
anyways, GREAT post!!
04-30-2007, 11:31 AM
I made sure to identify the progestins (except propadrol as I'm not 100% if the shoes fit), and added your mention of pro-mag's converting to mtest.
04-30-2007, 12:08 PM
I'm on 100mg of promag now...and the results are more similar to what I've heard from H-50...lean dry gains with little sides and some recomp and vascularity.
04-30-2007, 12:21 PM
promagnon has 1 ingridient difference that H-50 but im not sure what effect that ingredient change does. Hemadrol is according to the lisred ingredients, exactly the same as H-50. Again, good post. I like and appreciate everyones comments, input. keep it up guys!! Learn mor every day here.
04-30-2007, 12:22 PM
04-30-2007, 12:23 PM
04-30-2007, 12:33 PM
That was one of my favorites. Best strength gains! This was with the originals, ALRI M-TRN & DS Phera-Plex.Originally Posted by thesinner
04-30-2007, 12:34 PM
And I know I posted something from pubmed about 13-gonnadiene, and the process in which it was created (as an isomer) from the parent progestin.
lol- damn,,. , might take me a few for both.
I also could just be off my rocker
04-30-2007, 12:38 PM
04-30-2007, 12:45 PM
I really enjoyed this stack as well. I ran it last fall with just moderate dosages of M-TRN for a 3 weeker and had great results.Originally Posted by Mass69
promagnon has a different active. Though the compounds are similar in structure, rest assured that means nothing in terms of functionality.Originally Posted by glockma
04-30-2007, 12:46 PM
Bodybuilding.com - Big Cat - In Depth Megagrisevit Mono Profile!
NOTICE: This information is for entertainment purposes ONLY!
Full profiles on each individual steroid are here.
Pharmaceutical Name: clostebol (as acetate)
Chemical structure: 4-chloro-androst-4-en-3-one,17b-ol
Molecular weight of base: 322.8741
Molecular weight of ester: 60.0524 (acetic acid, 2 carbons)
Effective dose: 20-50 mg/day
Average Street-price: $5-7 for a vial of megagrisevit mono (1.5 ml)
Available Doses: 15 mg tabs or 10 mg/1.5 ml injections
Steranabol is no longer made and cannot be found under this name anywhere. If you do find it under that name, consider it a fake. Steranabol is confusing as well, because Farmitalia still makes steranabol Depot and steranabol Ritardo, but both of those are forms of the nandrolone derivative oxabolone cypionate (see profile on Steranabol). The active ingredient, clostebol acetate is still found in the German product Megagrisevit Mono however, but since that's a little long to pronounce, its either referred to as steranabol or by its pharmaceutical name, clostebol.
Structurally, clostebol is simply testosterone with an added chloro group at the 4-position. In itself quite ingenious. I mean you see all sorts of structural alterations to prevent a steroid from interacting with enzymes, but none as simple as this. By putting a structural alterations right on top of the 4-position, it cannot be 5-alpha reduced to dihydrotestosterone, thereby limiting a more androgenic form in androgen specific tissue like scalp, prostate and skin. And so of course, avoiding all problems associated with DHT formation like extreme cases of acne and serious hair loss. But it also prevent aromatization, so no estrogen is formed. That limits fat gain, bloat and the risk of breast growth in men (gyno). Needless to say of course that eliminating the stronger androgenic and all of the estrogenic components, this steroid is nowhere near as potent as its parent, testosterone. But you have to admit the beauty of it. Why use testosterone if you are only going to stack it with fortunes worth of arimidex and finasteride to block estrogen and DHT, if you can just take clostebol and be done with it? I mean if you are going to screw around and mess up the strongest anabolic, do us all a favour and just use this stuff. If you really can't take the side-effects and still want to use a steroid. Although I must say I loathe such people. Either you take it like man and accept the risk, go for the gains and get from it what you can, or you can't tolerate the risk, and then you should just stay away from all steroids. Period. I hate those "I want it all and don't want to pay for it" type of people.
Ok,.. so a little contradiction here,.. but like I said, I could be wrong :P
04-30-2007, 12:52 PM
How about I say it is a methylated derivative of clostebol?
04-30-2007, 12:59 PM
Sorry for the clutter,.. THIS is what I was looking for...
Wow Gaspari. - Bodybuilding.com Forums post #27
Pro Magnon 25 by PPL is 25mg per cap of this -
Halodrol-50 by GN is 50mg per tab of this -
This is like comparing test to dbol. The PPL product is the 4-halogenated precursor to 4-chloro-methyltestosterone while the GN product is the 4-halogenated precursor to Oral Turinabol.
You are comparing apples and oranges here.
I know the owners of both PPL and GN personally. Both people are great guys and very honest but both are separate companies that have nothing to do with each other.
Both products are quite effective in their own way but they will cause substantially different types of effects. The PPL product is more androgenic than the GN product. The GN product is has a higher A:A ratio. Neither will aromatize to estrogen due to the 4-halogen. Both probably have intrinsic active properties before conversion to the "active hormone" being 3,17b-diols (despite not having the requisite 3-ketone to bind to the AR optimally).
Both are very good products but they are absolutely NOT the same compound and anyone telling you differently is lying to defraud you or just can't read and made an honest mistake.
I hope this clears things up.
04-30-2007, 01:05 PM
Exploring:New anabolic: MAX LMG --> Propadrol
Exploring:New anabolic: MAX LMG --> Propadrol
I found this while looking for information on that propadrol chem that looks like LMG, but claims that it is not..
Gona-4,9(10)-dienes and process of producing the same
Document Type and Number: United States Patent 4167517
Link to this Page: Gona-4,9(10)-dienes and process of producing the same - Patent 4167517
Abstract: New gona-4,9(10)-dienes of formula I ##STR1## where R is alkyl of 1 to 3 carbon atoms and X is Cl, Br, F, N.sub.3, SCN, CN, OH, OR'(R'=alkyl), NH.sub.2, a substituted amino group or a heterocyclic compound including nitrogen in the ring.
The compounds have valuable biological properties, especially hormonal and antihormonal effects, and can be used to advantage in pharmaceutical preparations for the treatment of endocrinopathies and for reproduction control in human beings and livestock.
The invention also embraces a process for making the compounds by converting
first to 17beta-hydroxy-17alpha.-CH.sub.2 X-13. beta.-R-gon-5(10)-en-3-one,
then to the:
17.beta.-hydroxy-17.alpha.-CH.sub.2 X-13.beta.-R-gona-4,9(10)-diene-3-ones of formula I.
Max LMG is 13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one
Propadrol is 12-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-diene
Im not a chemist, but it looks like (either in nomenclature or design) for LMG they added an Ethyl??? - hell,.. maybe swapped the placement of the methoxy too.
maybe someone can chime in on IF this above artical has anything to do with anything...
I think where I am tring to go with this is:
Propadrol is to Max LMG what Pheraplex is to Ergomax
That propadrol could be a metabolite (altered or not) of Max LMG ~ the one responsable for the majority of the anabolic activity
Propadrol Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 1 Caps
Servings per container: 40
Amount Per Serving
6-17 dihydroxyetiocholone-3-ol proponate
04-30-2007, 01:12 PM
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