Designer Steroid/prohormone profiles
- 04-29-2007, 07:01 PM
- 04-29-2007, 07:05 PM
- 04-30-2007, 06:32 AM
Both have been accused of having problems, whether it be purity, molecular weight or the actual compound or compounds in the pill.
But lets not make another thread about this...hahaha
04-30-2007, 06:59 AM
04-30-2007, 07:25 AM
Great thread man. This will save some time researching!! props!
04-30-2007, 09:25 AM
I thought I should note , Progmag-25 is a ph to Methyl-Test. Althought it LOOKS like H-50.
It also appears (from some of the more recent logs) that users can expect about the same results ... you know, since it ,. um IS eventually methyl test :P
It might be helpgull to identify the progestins specificly in addition to it may or may not kill libedo)..
those would be finni, MaxLMG, TRN, and propadrol (,--me thinks)
anyways, GREAT post!!
04-30-2007, 09:31 AM
I made sure to identify the progestins (except propadrol as I'm not 100% if the shoes fit), and added your mention of pro-mag's converting to mtest.
04-30-2007, 10:08 AM
I'm on 100mg of promag now...and the results are more similar to what I've heard from H-50...lean dry gains with little sides and some recomp and vascularity.
04-30-2007, 10:21 AM
promagnon has 1 ingridient difference that H-50 but im not sure what effect that ingredient change does. Hemadrol is according to the lisred ingredients, exactly the same as H-50. Again, good post. I like and appreciate everyones comments, input. keep it up guys!! Learn mor every day here.
04-30-2007, 10:22 AM
sorry about the spelling, not a big multi tasker here
04-30-2007, 10:23 AM
04-30-2007, 10:33 AM
That was one of my favorites. Best strength gains! This was with the originals, ALRI M-TRN & DS Phera-Plex.Originally Posted by thesinner
04-30-2007, 10:34 AM
And I know I posted something from pubmed about 13-gonnadiene, and the process in which it was created (as an isomer) from the parent progestin.
lol- damn,,. , might take me a few for both.
I also could just be off my rocker
04-30-2007, 10:38 AM
04-30-2007, 10:45 AM
I really enjoyed this stack as well. I ran it last fall with just moderate dosages of M-TRN for a 3 weeker and had great results.Originally Posted by Mass69
promagnon has a different active. Though the compounds are similar in structure, rest assured that means nothing in terms of functionality.Originally Posted by glockma
04-30-2007, 10:46 AM
Bodybuilding.com - Big Cat - In Depth Megagrisevit Mono Profile!
NOTICE: This information is for entertainment purposes ONLY!
Full profiles on each individual steroid are here.
Pharmaceutical Name: clostebol (as acetate)
Chemical structure: 4-chloro-androst-4-en-3-one,17b-ol
Molecular weight of base: 322.8741
Molecular weight of ester: 60.0524 (acetic acid, 2 carbons)
Effective dose: 20-50 mg/day
Average Street-price: $5-7 for a vial of megagrisevit mono (1.5 ml)
Available Doses: 15 mg tabs or 10 mg/1.5 ml injections
Steranabol is no longer made and cannot be found under this name anywhere. If you do find it under that name, consider it a fake. Steranabol is confusing as well, because Farmitalia still makes steranabol Depot and steranabol Ritardo, but both of those are forms of the nandrolone derivative oxabolone cypionate (see profile on Steranabol). The active ingredient, clostebol acetate is still found in the German product Megagrisevit Mono however, but since that's a little long to pronounce, its either referred to as steranabol or by its pharmaceutical name, clostebol.
Structurally, clostebol is simply testosterone with an added chloro group at the 4-position. In itself quite ingenious. I mean you see all sorts of structural alterations to prevent a steroid from interacting with enzymes, but none as simple as this. By putting a structural alterations right on top of the 4-position, it cannot be 5-alpha reduced to dihydrotestosterone, thereby limiting a more androgenic form in androgen specific tissue like scalp, prostate and skin. And so of course, avoiding all problems associated with DHT formation like extreme cases of acne and serious hair loss. But it also prevent aromatization, so no estrogen is formed. That limits fat gain, bloat and the risk of breast growth in men (gyno). Needless to say of course that eliminating the stronger androgenic and all of the estrogenic components, this steroid is nowhere near as potent as its parent, testosterone. But you have to admit the beauty of it. Why use testosterone if you are only going to stack it with fortunes worth of arimidex and finasteride to block estrogen and DHT, if you can just take clostebol and be done with it? I mean if you are going to screw around and mess up the strongest anabolic, do us all a favour and just use this stuff. If you really can't take the side-effects and still want to use a steroid. Although I must say I loathe such people. Either you take it like man and accept the risk, go for the gains and get from it what you can, or you can't tolerate the risk, and then you should just stay away from all steroids. Period. I hate those "I want it all and don't want to pay for it" type of people.
Ok,.. so a little contradiction here,.. but like I said, I could be wrong :P
04-30-2007, 10:52 AM
How about I say it is a methylated derivative of clostebol?
04-30-2007, 10:59 AM
Sorry for the clutter,.. THIS is what I was looking for...
Wow Gaspari. - Bodybuilding.com Forums post #27
Pro Magnon 25 by PPL is 25mg per cap of this -
Halodrol-50 by GN is 50mg per tab of this -
This is like comparing test to dbol. The PPL product is the 4-halogenated precursor to 4-chloro-methyltestosterone while the GN product is the 4-halogenated precursor to Oral Turinabol.
You are comparing apples and oranges here.
I know the owners of both PPL and GN personally. Both people are great guys and very honest but both are separate companies that have nothing to do with each other.
Both products are quite effective in their own way but they will cause substantially different types of effects. The PPL product is more androgenic than the GN product. The GN product is has a higher A:A ratio. Neither will aromatize to estrogen due to the 4-halogen. Both probably have intrinsic active properties before conversion to the "active hormone" being 3,17b-diols (despite not having the requisite 3-ketone to bind to the AR optimally).
Both are very good products but they are absolutely NOT the same compound and anyone telling you differently is lying to defraud you or just can't read and made an honest mistake.
I hope this clears things up.
04-30-2007, 11:05 AM
Exploring:New anabolic: MAX LMG --> Propadrol
Exploring:New anabolic: MAX LMG --> Propadrol
I found this while looking for information on that propadrol chem that looks like LMG, but claims that it is not..
Gona-4,9(10)-dienes and process of producing the same
Document Type and Number: United States Patent 4167517
Link to this Page: Gona-4,9(10)-dienes and process of producing the same - Patent 4167517
Abstract: New gona-4,9(10)-dienes of formula I ##STR1## where R is alkyl of 1 to 3 carbon atoms and X is Cl, Br, F, N.sub.3, SCN, CN, OH, OR'(R'=alkyl), NH.sub.2, a substituted amino group or a heterocyclic compound including nitrogen in the ring.
The compounds have valuable biological properties, especially hormonal and antihormonal effects, and can be used to advantage in pharmaceutical preparations for the treatment of endocrinopathies and for reproduction control in human beings and livestock.
The invention also embraces a process for making the compounds by converting
first to 17beta-hydroxy-17alpha.-CH.sub.2 X-13. beta.-R-gon-5(10)-en-3-one,
then to the:
17.beta.-hydroxy-17.alpha.-CH.sub.2 X-13.beta.-R-gona-4,9(10)-diene-3-ones of formula I.
Max LMG is 13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one
Propadrol is 12-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-diene
Im not a chemist, but it looks like (either in nomenclature or design) for LMG they added an Ethyl??? - hell,.. maybe swapped the placement of the methoxy too.
maybe someone can chime in on IF this above artical has anything to do with anything...
I think where I am tring to go with this is:
Propadrol is to Max LMG what Pheraplex is to Ergomax
That propadrol could be a metabolite (altered or not) of Max LMG ~ the one responsable for the majority of the anabolic activity
Propadrol Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 1 Caps
Servings per container: 40
Amount Per Serving
6-17 dihydroxyetiocholone-3-ol proponate
04-30-2007, 11:12 AM
04-30-2007, 11:42 AM
04-30-2007, 12:32 PM
04-30-2007, 01:10 PM
1st, I think you'd do best to start with the Superdrol, then transition into the TRN, and I'd personally run Zol throughout, or maybe pick it up from week 3 on. Also, Piston Pump suggested I drop TRN 1 week before ending Zol, back when I ran the two and i think it was good advice. So that cycle would look more like this:
superdrol (10/10/10) wks. 1-3
TRN* (4/4/4) wks. 3-5
Zol (at say, 100/150/150/150/150/150) wks. 1-6
*If you stay at 4mg you should be ok with the sides, but at 6mg, almost universally speaking, people experience pretty bad sides.
Hope this helps.
04-30-2007, 01:22 PM
04-30-2007, 02:48 PM
before ending the zol?? Also, do you think this would have me
more shutdown running the s d before the trn? I obviously want
to run a cutting cycle but I want to keep and even add some
mass if at all possible. My diet is 110% on the spot so that is
not a problem. I have alot of supps stocked up right now. I
have havoc(2), trn(2), s d(21 caps), and zol(1) & I have some
transdermal 4ad on the way. I wanted to cut up a bit, thats
why i'm saving my havoc. i would like to use that for something
else as a bulker (maybe 4ad or even 3ad). any other
04-30-2007, 04:01 PM
Insofar as shutdown, Iíd be concerned with shutdown either way you run those 2 in one cycle, but if your goal is mainly to cut, it only makes sense to go with sd first, then harden and define with the trn/zol. I donít really think one way or the other makes a difference in terms of shutdown, though. And, I canít stress this enough, but for the love of God, keep the dose of the TRN at 4mg. I ran it that way last time, and using proper pct experienced no shutdown.
By the way, are you sold on doing it with these products exactly? I just started a cutting cycle today that is somewhat similar to yours, but Iím using Hemadrol instead of sd, because, as it states at the beginning of this very thread, Hemadrol (an H-50 clone) is reputedly very mild on sides with low incidence of shutdown, etc. Just something to consider.
05-01-2007, 02:00 AM
U r the sheet!! great stuff! im a new guy to prohormones and this helped me aot!! thanks man! sticky icky icky !!
05-04-2007, 10:12 PM
ahhh freak! way to make me waste my last 20 min of my life reading over this peice of shiiiiii.
LOL NO Sinner this is absolutely great brotha! Awesome that you did this for all the guys just comin in to it.... too bad i allready had all that scribed in my iron lock box of a brain lol.
very very very ill see if i can rep
05-05-2007, 02:24 PM
Great posting! Should be a sticky.
The only thing that I personally take issue with is using SD as a cutter. During the cycle that I ran, the hypoglycemic effects (which you note) were so pronounced I can't see how I could eat few enough calories to cut. Maybe thats more specific to me as in some threads users had mentioned the appetite supression effect. But worth mentioning.
05-05-2007, 07:45 PM
05-05-2007, 07:57 PM
05-06-2007, 01:57 PM
05-06-2007, 03:46 PM
05-06-2007, 04:26 PM
05-06-2007, 05:06 PM
Pheraplex is a progestin??? I was unaware of that. Not doubting you but I don't recall ever reading that anywhere. Certainly doesn't feel or act like a progestin.
Great thread by the way!! Reps for ya
05-07-2007, 10:04 AM
great thread! I was looking for one of these a while ago but to no avail. This will be a great beginner read, esp if we keep updating with our experience and the newest stuff out!
reps to you thesinner!
05-07-2007, 11:59 PM
desoxymethyltestosterone). Max LMG was a progestin though.
RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49
05-08-2007, 12:08 AM
wait what...DS didn't originate Pheraplex...wasn't that AX?
cause I know Designer Supplements never had a Phera supplement
05-08-2007, 12:15 AM
Ergomax was the original and I believe was actually an ALRI product. Can't remember if ALRI actually sold it under their label or if they just licensed it out to DS (and llater to AX).
PP was the "updated cleaner version". FWIR, this was due in part to the isomers used and if you go back you will see people ask about 2-ene and 3-ene ratios when asking about clones.
RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49
05-08-2007, 12:19 AM
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