[CopyCat]

This thread is still pretty accurate in regards to the OPs info. It's true there is a lot of new PHs out there this doesn't covet, but it's a good start. Just spend time reading posts about peoples cycles that look interesting. If u come across something you don't know follow that lead and look it up. Follow enough different paths and you'll find you Lear a lot. U won't find one all inclusive and all informative thread. Just too much info

[illriginalize]

Any update to this list? Some of those listed in OP no longer exist / discontinued. Looking for wet compounds for a future bulk cycle.

Edit: I'll make sure to do some searches in the forum, keyword being, "wet" of course

[CopyCat]

Any update to this list? Some of those listed in OP no longer exist / discontinued. Looking for wet compounds for a future bulk cycle.

Edit: I'll make sure to do some searches in the forum, keyword being, "wet" of course

Many of the original brands are no longer made, but even they can still be had. Otherwise there are a bunch of clones out there. Phera is one of the best wet prohormones you'll even use. I know u can find at least 12 clones of what's on that list out there on the interwebs.

[illriginalize]

Many of the original brands are no longer made, but even they can still be had. Otherwise there are a bunch of clones out there. Phera is one of the best wet prohormones you'll even use. I know u can find at least 12 clones of what's on that list out there on the interwebs.

Sheeeeit I wish I could find Phera lol.. I have one bottle on me that I haven't cracked open yet.

[fueledpassion]

Sheeeeit I wish I could find Phera lol.. I have one bottle on me that I haven't cracked open yet.

Yeah 40mg Phera is pretty dang awesome. For instance, this is what Phera did for me after 3.5 weeks on...

Before...


After...

[illriginalize]

Yeah 40mg Phera is pretty dang awesome. For instance, this is what Phera did for me after 3.5 weeks on...

Before...


After...

Is there even any clones of it now a days?

[stxnas]

No, it's been scheduled as a drug.

[JBerto]

Alot of people locally have been raving about B.M.F. Salvation from Chaotic Labz. I don't recognize the nomenclature in any of the lists I've found online including this thread. I could be overlooking, I'll just list and see if anyone can point it out or has any info on it.
"3,5,7-Trihydroxy-2-(3-hydroxy-4-methoxy-phenyl)-chromen-4-one-5-hydroxy-2-methyl-naphthalene-1,4-dione"

It looks similar to Kaempferol, isn't it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaempferol

[Rhadam]

Uh... pretty sure any US company that even thinks about producing phera is instantly bitch-slapped by the FDA.

[Kevf]

The list is 4 years old now, time for an update

[fueledpassion]

The list is 4 years old now, time for an update

Agreed, but we should keep that info on here as well since there are still quite a few of these PH's still floating around on the web...

[Lil Swole]

Hey, Nuclear Launch,
How long did you use B.M.F.? What sort of gains and side-effects did you have? I still have like 2 or 3 sealed bottles of this stuff. I'm just trying to figure out if I should try to run it or get rid of it. I also have some bottles of "E-Monster" that are unopened, from what I've read that stuff is so toxic, I don't think I can get my hands on strong enough PCT to run it. Any recent info on either of these 2 products?

[NuclearLaunch]

Hey, Nuclear Launch,
How long did you use B.M.F.? What sort of gains and side-effects did you have? I still have like 2 or 3 sealed bottles of this stuff. I'm just trying to figure out if I should try to run it or get rid of it. I also have some bottles of "E-Monster" that are unopened, from what I've read that stuff is so toxic, I don't think I can get my hands on strong enough PCT to run it. Any recent info on either of these 2 products?

Got rid of both. I shouldn't have ran BMF. Chaotic labz is sketchy anyway. I wasn't knowledgeable. If you have the same BMF that I had, it's just as toxic as E monster. Pre-stacked supps are not the way to go.

[MethylMig]

Got rid of both. I shouldn't have ran BMF. Chaotic labz is sketchy anyway. I wasn't knowledgeable. If you have the same BMF that I had, it's just as toxic as E monster. Pre-stacked supps are not the way to go.

i was taking a look @ SOS500 by DD and in spite of the "flexible dosing" ive never come to terms with prestacks. from what ive read, and after a lot of research i can only imagine how horrible something like this can be for the liver, lipid profiles, endogenous test etc. Not that i have anything against stacking, i just think the best stacks should be made with seperate compounds so if any side effects occur you can get to the bottom of it without freaking out ane stopping mid cycle, among other things, some ph's are just not meant to be stacked.. like 13-ethyl and dmz wet/dry ive heard is an excellent stack (non methylated low aromatizing progestin/non converting dht deriv) great but what about stuff like sdrol/dmz??? shizz izz scaryyy 2 dimethyls?? doesnt seem safe

[csa2179]

so when they discontinue or ban the sale of a certain PH, for instance i bought some methastadrol because they said they were not allowed to sell it any more, do you just find a different one with similar properties, or do they just make it under a different name?

[smithf3]

Nice! Thanks for all the info!

[G3NEiol_lwS]

this thread was very educational. thanks for the info

[gregg1494]

Nice post!

[evqman]

nice post, i have a question..

I am taking testosterone cypionate as perscribed by my doctor, once a week at a dosage of 170 per week. I have insurance, but it still costs $65 every week when I go in there, this is getting WAY to expensive. I am taking this, not to become a body builder, but just to increase my T count. it was pretty darn low to start out with. what hormone that I can buy legally here in the US would give me similar benefits to testosterone cypionate ?

Also, I am 6'3" 295 lbs, way out of shape, need to get back into shape, I was in the Marines from 1993-1998. I am 37 years old. I don't want to bulk up, i want something that will increase my energy and possibly add LEAN muscle tissue..

thanks,
Newb

[EasyEJL]

nice post, i have a question..

I am taking testosterone cypionate as perscribed by my doctor, once a week at a dosage of 170 per week. I have insurance, but it still costs $65 every week when I go in there, this is getting WAY to expensive. I am taking this, not to become a body builder, but just to increase my T count. it was pretty darn low to start out with. what hormone that I can buy legally here in the US would give me similar benefits to testosterone cypionate ?

Also, I am 6'3" 295 lbs, way out of shape, need to get back into shape, I was in the Marines from 1993-1998. I am 37 years old. I don't want to bulk up, i want something that will increase my energy and possibly add LEAN muscle tissue..

thanks,
Newb

you can get a 10ml vial at sams club / walmart pharmacy for only $70ish. thats more than 10 weeks worth at your dose. So the problem isn't the material, its your doctor not allowing self-injection

[evqman]

you can get a 10ml vial at sams club / walmart pharmacy for only $70ish. thats more than 10 weeks worth at your dose. So the problem isn't the material, its your doctor not allowing self-injection

Thanks! good to know. I guess I need to find a doc willing to let me do it myself. I also get HCG that they mix for $72 (it lasts longer when fresh they tell me). They do allow me to self inject that. The needle is tiny of course...

would you recommend anything that i can get OTC that is similar? or is TC one of the best things available?

[EasyEJL]

Thanks! good to know. I guess I need to find a doc willing to let me do it myself. I also get HCG that they mix for $72 (it lasts longer when fresh they tell me). They do allow me to self inject that. The needle is tiny of course...

would you recommend anything that i can get OTC that is similar? or is TC one of the best things available?

there absolutely is nothing whatsoever OTC that will match it. One thing to check with your insurance is whether gels like Androgel or Axiron are covered too. they work well once you get the dosage right. they are testosterone in a transdermal. At least with those, you'd be applying (daily) at home.

Lots of doctors do allow self injection though, and if he allows you for the HCG there is no reason at all not to allow you for the testosterone too.

[evqman]

there absolutely is nothing whatsoever OTC that will match it. One thing to check with your insurance is whether gels like Androgel or Axiron are covered too. they work well once you get the dosage right. they are testosterone in a transdermal. At least with those, you'd be applying (daily) at home.

ah ok. I didn't think so, but of course I'm always looking for other options. I am pretty serious with my gf these days, and don't want a transdermal getting on her .. lol...
so injections will be my best bet I believe.

Lots of doctors do allow self injection though, and if he allows you for the HCG there is no reason at all not to allow you for the testosterone too.

$$$ is their main reason.. it's a "Low-T" center.. they site that they want to "monitor" me.. but really they are just getting an a$$-load of ca$h with each injection.

[EasyEJL]

I am pretty serious with my gf these days, and don't want a transdermal getting on her .. lol...
so injections will be my best bet I believe.

$$$ is their main reason.. it's a "Low-T" center.. they site that they want to "monitor" me.. but really they are just getting an a$$-load of ca$h with each injection.

well, really you should have started a new thread instead of us cluttering this up but then next best bet is to talk to your general practicioner and see if they recommend a urologist or endocrinologist that they know, and go that route. Or let the low-t center know if you can't get it at a realistic pricing you'll just find another doctor. they'd rather make a little than nothing.

[bigjigga]

you should put ultradrol on here

[Dieselj]

What's super d

[AaronJP1]

Good info in this thread. Bump for people to read/learn.

[petebarnes16]

Agreed, but we should keep that info on here as well since there are still quite a few of these PH's still floating around on the web...

i have been going 6 months with some good def, gains, but thinking of steroids, what the best to start with and where to go!

[trot]

Anyone tried evolve supplements SD (superdrol) ??? I just ordered a bottle.

[PhatKunt]

Great List, thanks!