Designer Steroid/prohormone profiles

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  1. I'm currently stacking halodrol-50 with orastan-A. What do you guys think of throwing some 11-oxo in there for the second half of the cycle? Just wondering.
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  2. what is 1-ad by ams considered

  3. Quote Originally Posted by andrew732 View Post
    what is 1-ad by ams considered
    Supposed to be 1-DHEA. Should convert to 1-Test in 2 steps as opposed to 1 like the original 1-AD. 1-DHEA can convert to both 1-Androstenedione & 1-Androstenediol, which then both convert to 1-Test with different efficacy.

  4. what's a good stack with the havoc/epi?
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  5. stack With epi =#1 ,#2 would be O.T.or rather it's diol version


    Quote Originally Posted by ej215584 View Post
    what's a good stack with the havoc/epi?
    What I'll try to explain in simple terms is EPI is not a pro or a conversion 1st pass compound. It is a steroid with a novel design.With a anabolic Q rating of 1100 and androgenic of 92,nice ratio not to mention it's a DHT derivative dry hard results.
    A 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4 dien-3-17-diol...the diol
    is the only difference then Oral turinabol...you see OT has a 17b-ol at it's end, the difference is a diol means that on the "A" ring at the 3 position there is a hydroxyl-group (HO) instead of an (O), and a double bond in the 1 and 4 position ,however
    the first pass conversion thru the liver yields a 80% turnover
    which is damn good compared to all the others Ive dsected molecurley .So what ever they call this one...I think something like Halo da da da something or another it will give you close to the same results as O.T. these 2 are the only ones worth purchasing since they are AAS's

  6. what about 1-testosterone profile?

  7. According to my personal experience h-drol IS NOT oral turinabol, nor does it feel like it in anyway. h-drol for me was WAY more androgenic.

  8. Quote Originally Posted by shlong View Post
    What I'll try to explain in simple terms is EPI is not a pro or a conversion 1st pass compound. It is a steroid with a novel design.With a anabolic Q rating of 1100 and androgenic of 92,nice ratio not to mention it's a DHT derivative dry hard results.
    A 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4 dien-3-17-diol...the diol
    is the only difference then Oral turinabol...you see OT has a 17b-ol at it's end, the difference is a diol means that on the "A" ring at the 3 position there is a hydroxyl-group (HO) instead of an (O), and a double bond in the 1 and 4 position ,however
    the first pass conversion thru the liver yields a 80% turnover
    which is damn good compared to all the others Ive dsected molecurley .So what ever they call this one...I think something like Halo da da da something or another it will give you close to the same results as O.T. these 2 are the only ones worth purchasing since they are AAS's
    Only 2 worth purchasing? Based on? Halo is a prohormone in reality. Some call it a prosteroid, but this is a generic term coined up by the supplement industry. It still has to undergo conversion to OT, unless you consider its preconversion activity.

    Since all 3,17-diols (& diones) attach directly to the androgen receptor before converting, they are a bit more andorgenic than their parent, and a little less anabolic. Like Halodrol is more androgenic than OT, and less anabolic. 4-AD (diol) is more andorgenic than test and less anabolic, & so on.

    Out of curiousity where did you come up with an 80% conversion rate for Halo? Generally speaking diones convert at roughly 5.61% in vivo since they're processed through 17HSD. Diols use 3HSD and convert more efficiently at 15.76% in vivo. Even though these hormones all have different levels of their own activity pre-conversion, this wouldn't effect their conversion rates to the parent compound.

  9. Quote Originally Posted by kevinjd_2008 View Post
    what about 1-testosterone profile?
    Check below. I don't yet have the new Ergo/AMS 1-Dhea listed but the original actual 1-Test versions are, methyl and non.

    OTC Hormone Chart

  10. Quote Originally Posted by Ziquor View Post
    Only 2 worth purchasing? Based on? Halo is a prohormone in reality. Some call it a prosteroid, but this is a generic term coined up by the supplement industry. It still has to undergo conversion to OT, unless you consider its preconversion activity.

    Since all 3,17-diols (& diones) attach directly to the androgen receptor before converting, they are a bit more andorgenic than their parent, and a little less anabolic. Like Halodrol is more androgenic than OT, and less anabolic. 4-AD (diol) is more andorgenic than test and less anabolic, & so on.

    Out of curiousity where did you come up with an 80% conversion rate for Halo? Generally speaking diones convert at roughly 5.61% in vivo since they're processed through 17HSD. Diols use 3HSD and convert more efficiently at 15.76% in vivo. Even though these hormones all have different levels of their own activity pre-conversion, this wouldn't effect their conversion rates to the parent compound.
    The info I used is what was discussed briefly in steran molecule ph applications used in the supplement industry to yield anabolic properties ,however not truly of a native origin of common steran applications , but DIOL OT has a protection from 3hsd& 5a RED. via double bond A ring@ 1,4 and 4 chloro protects this one from most convertion/degradation..it is not reduced to a lesser metabolite, but there is a 20% loss,in the liver ,up the dose 20%. All the others I and colleges have scrutinized don't do much at all speaking only of the still legal ones, exception if still available would be Methylmasteron, 1-T was designed for injection (cypionate version), having a terrible BV rating ORALLy you'ld
    have to take 300-400 mg ED for a little activity.
    I hope this helps with your future purchases

  11. Quote Originally Posted by shlong View Post
    The info I used is what was discussed briefly in steran molecule ph applications used in the supplement industry to yield anabolic properties ,however not truly of a native origin of common steran applications , but DIOL OT has a protection from 3hsd& 5a RED. via double bond A ring@ 1,4 and 4 chloro protects this one from most convertion/degradation..it is not reduced to a lesser metabolite, but there is a 20% loss,in the liver ,up the dose 20%. All the others I and colleges have scrutinized don't do much at all speaking only of the still legal ones, exception if still available would be Methylmasteron, 1-T was designed for injection (cypionate version), having a terrible BV rating ORALLy you'ld
    have to take 300-400 mg ED for a little activity.
    I hope this helps with your future purchases

    Do you have any links to these articles? Interesting info. But dosing Halodrol in the real world would put its conversion nowhere near 80%. Most who used it feel it exerts great effects at 100mg-125mg (which would be 80-100mg of OT at your #'s). I know someone who's currently running Halodrol now, and found his sweet spot at 225mg. With your 80% figure this would have him dosing 180mg of Turinabol/day which would be absurdly high.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shlong View Post
    What I'll try to explain in simple terms is EPI is not a pro or a conversion 1st pass compound. It is a steroid with a novel design.With a anabolic Q rating of 1100 and androgenic of 92,nice ratio not to mention it's a DHT derivative dry hard results.
    A 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4 dien-3-17-diol...the diol
    is the only difference then Oral turinabol...you see OT has a 17b-ol at it's end, the difference is a diol means that on the "A" ring at the 3 position there is a hydroxyl-group (HO) instead of an (O), and a double bond in the 1 and 4 position ,however
    the first pass conversion thru the liver yields a 80% turnover
    which is damn good compared to all the others Ive dsected molecurley .So what ever they call this one...I think something like Halo da da da something or another it will give you close to the same results as O.T. these 2 are the only ones worth purchasing since they are AAS's
    Quote Originally Posted by shlong View Post
    The info I used is what was discussed briefly in steran molecule ph applications used in the supplement industry to yield anabolic properties ,however not truly of a native origin of common steran applications , but DIOL OT has a protection from 3hsd& 5a RED. via double bond A ring@ 1,4 and 4 chloro protects this one from most convertion/degradation..it is not reduced to a lesser metabolite, but there is a 20% loss,in the liver ,up the dose 20%. All the others I and colleges have scrutinized don't do much at all speaking only of the still legal ones, exception if still available would be Methylmasteron, 1-T was designed for injection (cypionate version), having a terrible BV rating ORALLy you'ld
    have to take 300-400 mg ED for a little activity.
    I hope this helps with your future purchases
    Interesting, thanks for the info!!!

  13. Quote Originally Posted by Ziquor View Post
    Do you have any links to these articles? Interesting info. But dosing Halodrol in the real world would put its conversion nowhere near 80%. Most who used it feel it exerts great effects at 100mg-125mg (which would be 80-100mg of OT at your #'s). I know someone who's currently running Halodrol now, and found his sweet spot at 225mg. With your 80% figure this would have him dosing 180mg of Turinabol/day which would be absurdly high.
    OT is not a strong aas to begin with ,50 androgenic and slightly
    over 100 anabolic. the common dosage would be in the 70- 140mg
    range anyway since it has a very low hepatic load and is considered
    a weaker compound it was dispensed at 7- 14 tabs a day (10mg)
    it's not a anavar or D-bol by no means.4-chloro-dihydromethyltestosterone

  14. Quote Originally Posted by shlong View Post
    OT is not a strong aas to begin with ,50 androgenic and slightly
    over 100 anabolic. the common dosage would be in the 70- 140mg
    range anyway since it has a very low hepatic load and is considered
    a weaker compound it was dispensed at 7- 14 tabs a day (10mg)
    it's not a anavar or D-bol by no means.4-chloro-dihydromethyltestosterone
    I agree it's a milder methyl, but 140mg? Wow I've never seen anyone dose over 100mg, and that was in an extreme in vivo testing with rats. I assume your not in the US and by ,50 I assume you mean 0.5? I've seen OT's androgenic # listed anywhere from ~0 to 8.

  15. I can't recall seeing anyone dosing OT over 60mg

  16. 1, 4 AD Bold 200 + Epistane stacked together. run bold 200 weeks 1-8, and epistane weeks 5-8

  17. im currently back in lifting mode after a 5 year break (high school)
    football lol , any way i lost alot of mass and since i havent been in a gym for a while i thought i take a short cut , the pro-hormone way which is stupid once u hear my stack , i should just go with the real stuff but unfortunately i dont have any reliable sources ,


    stack
    20mg of sd
    20mg of pp
    10 mg of fini
    (btw this is ridiculous on ur liver and i strongly dont recommend this stack for endomorphs .... )


    i realized i have a problem eating as well is this gonna be a problem with the stack im taking ??
    im seriously itching to get jakked so far ive been on this stack for 8 days and vasculars are serious , pumps look crazy and ill but with out eating as much as i should i feel like its a waste ??

  18. Quote Originally Posted by AssBreaker500 View Post
    im currently back in lifting mode after a 5 year break (high school)
    football lol , any way i lost alot of mass and since i havent been in a gym for a while i thought i take a short cut , the pro-hormone way which is stupid once u hear my stack , i should just go with the real stuff but unfortunately i dont have any reliable sources ,


    stack
    20mg of sd
    20mg of pp
    10 mg of fini
    (btw this is ridiculous on ur liver and i strongly dont recommend this stack for endomorphs .... )


    i realized i have a problem eating as well is this gonna be a problem with the stack im taking ??
    im seriously itching to get jakked so far ive been on this stack for 8 days and vasculars are serious , pumps look crazy and ill but with out eating as much as i should i feel like its a waste ??
    Eat more. AAS won't give you **** if you don't eat enough anyhow, except a smaller wallet. Just eat more, period.

  19. eat eat eat eat!!! lucky for me, my mom's making arroz y pollo every other night, so i'm getting a steady supply of protein and carbs. . . gotta love chicken, rice and beans. . . yum

  20. Quote Originally Posted by Ziquor View Post
    Eat more. AAS won't give you **** if you don't eat enough anyhow, except a smaller wallet. Just eat more, period.
    wait, beyond a smaller wallet it could also give you gyno. you left that out....

    If you are worried about eating enough to gain the weight, don't forget that you also will need to eat more after gaining 10lbs of muscle, and your daily protein need will be higher, so your long term eating expenses go up as well....
  21. RoidGracie
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    Compound - H-drol
    Side effect (putting that mildly) Diverticulitis
    Not fun at all.
    Moral: No more of any of these "mild" compounds, ever.
    Good luck.
  22. RoidGracie
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    I'm amazed ziqour didn't lose all his rep points while I was gone.
    Truly fascinating.

    You look small for someone who's done all you claim to have done and such an expert.....Did you buy a bow flex?

  23. RG, you really think H-Drol caused this?
  24. RoidGracie
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    I really do, I had suspicions, and now my googling shows a definite connection.
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