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  1. Quote Originally Posted by koman View Post
    Well thank u for the info, when i said we i said specifically me and some other guy (i didnt look back to see his name) had asked questions and we were both hit with the are u feds B>S., why is everyone so paranoid. No need to call me a schizo dog, i havent disrespected u, so lets keep this chill. I just have questions because i am brand new to this, it is a brand new world to me, and i thought it might be an alternative to being on the juice, since it is illegal but what i am reading i should just probably stick with what got me big because either way there are side effects. sorry if i bothered u to i just wanted to be informed
    not accused or insulted, peace. i wont bother u again
    As stated by LME, I was not intending to insult you. I have sarcasm deeply seeded in my veins. I figured you were talking about someone besides you. I just couldn't pass at the alley-oop I was served. You know, funny, haha.

    I answered every question you posed, in brief answer form. There are thousands of members and everyone's experience, desires and even bodies are different. That is why reading old posts are so invaluable; the threads contain multiple bro's input and there are an incredible amount of them. If they were not used to "Learn, Teach, and Lead" then we might as well delete them because they take up a lot of space, which is why Bobo spent his $ and ugraded the server quite some time ago.

    Don't feel disrespected, there is no malintent. If the multiple posts was an accident, oops; if they were from your multiple personalities... LMAO

  2. RoidGracie
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    I didn't quite catch that last post by Koman......what did it say?
    You know, the post that is showing up like 20 times. I had heard that Feds have the ability to enter a post and make it show up 50x.
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  3. Great stuff

  4. Quote Originally Posted by RoidGracie View Post
    I had heard that Feds have the ability to enter a post and make it show up 50x.
    Actually, that is true

  5. Is not!
    Is not!
    Is not!
    Is not!

    <I tried to post is not in successive posts, but the damn forum seems to be learning my ways and wouldn't allow it!>
    RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49
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  6. can someone give me a solid list of phs that won't aggrevate gyno..and is there anyway to avoid aggrevating gyno with a product like pp or sd?

  7. Read through the first post. I believe that all of the PHs that are known to aggravate gyno were listed as so.
    RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49
  8. RoidGracie
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    Schuman, sounds like the two you mentioned would be two of the most likely candidates to aggravate an existing gyno condition, and then you have the risk of potential delayed gyno.
  9. RoidGracie
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    I heard of Fem Bots, but not FED Bots.

  10. Max LMG clones too...I'm not sure about any others though...
    RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49

  11. Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    Read through the first post. I believe that all of the PHs that are known to aggravate gyno were listed as so.
    I think breathing oxygen for sustenance has been shown to aggrevate gyno.

    I dunno, though. I've read so many posts about product X aggrevating someone's gyno, it aggrevated MY gyno.

  12. I think a lot of guys put on a little fat during a bulking cycle and think they have started developing gyno...one of the first places a man's body deposits fat is...on the chest area! Unfortunately, the other area is the abdominals

    The mass hysteria is understandable and gyno is definitely not something to take lightly though.

    On a related note, a very well known Organic Chemist has recently posted that there are very few actual progestins are currently on the market. Please note that he still said that even if they aren't really progestins that they may still have progestational activity (albeit slight). He was speaking in reference to dienelone (estra-4,9-dien-3,17-dione) and Propadrol.

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    sex hormone activity has nothing to do with DSHEA compliance. DSHEA compliance is an issue having to do with being found in food or other things

    you are thinking DEA issue. that is more complicated. there is an exemption for progestins on there but its not so simple

    besides, most of these componunds people are calling progestins are not really progestins. they share vague chemical similarity with known pharmaceutical progestins and maybe have slight progestational activity but in my expert opinion would NOT fall into the category of progestin. they would be considered in the androgen class.

    case in point would be estra-4,9-dien-3,17-dione
    In all honesty, nobody knows what some of these supps are though. I came across the above info while posting over at bb.com about Propadrol:

    Quote Originally Posted by StxNas View Post
    ...There appears to be some smoke and mirrors at play with this product. From the research that I have done the nomenclature doesn't quite make sense. I believe it would have to be 13-ethyl, not 12-ethyl, to be a progestin...this is contradicted by the "gona" nomenclaute though, because gona (gonane) is a class of progestins

    Up until now I had almost convinced myself that Propadrol was nothing more than a low dose Max LMG with 3-OHAT.
    RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49

  13. yeah, I had bought some propadrol and in the end had second thoughts and traded it off

  14. Quote Originally Posted by thesinner View Post
    The propadrol "whatever it is" actually is missing an oxygen at carbon 17. It is a very obscure compound.
    What about the 12-ethyl as opposed to the 13-ethyl? Does that make any sense to you?

    FWIR progestins have their longest substituent group at the C-13 (or C-10), not C-12...the gona nomenclature lead me to believe that this is a progestin, but I'm admittedly very green with this sort of talk and organic chem in general.
    RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49

  15. My interest is piqued

  16. Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    What about the 12-ethyl as opposed to the 13-ethyl? Does that make any sense to you?

    FWIR progestins have their longest substituent group at the C-13 (or C-10), not C-12...the gona nomenclature lead me to believe that this is a progestin, but I'm admittedly very green with this sort of talk and organic chem in general.
    There's two ways to name a chemical: IUPAC and "I have a life and a finite amount of ink"

    A gonane (aka sterane) is merely the most basic 17 carbon steroid skeleton; whereas, an androgen has two methyls making it a 19 carbon structure.

    Essentially, this a is gonane with an ether at 3 and an alkyl at 12. I don't think it is quite a progestin. To be honest, I'm not really sure what it is. Like I said, it doesn't have an oxygen at 17, which is pretty useful when trying to bind to the androgen receptor. Like I said, this is a rather obscure compound.

  17. Thanks. I've been waiting all day for you to post back about this. I know just enough to understand, but not enough to make heads or tails of this. I didn't understand/know that it could be a gonane and not a progestin.

    ...and I had to laugh at the IUPAC comment. I'm getting all too familiar with both types of nomenclature
    RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49

  18. Quote Originally Posted by stxnas View Post
    Thanks. I've been waiting all day for you to post back about this. I know just enough to understand, but not enough to make heads or tails of this. I didn't understand/know that it could be a gonane and not a progestin.

    ...and I had to laugh at the IUPAC comment. I'm getting all too familiar with both types of nomenclature
    IUPAC for gonane is 1,2-cyclopentanoperhydrophenanthre ne.

    As you can see, the system kinda gets out of whack when dealing with larger molecules. That's when people say "**** it" and start making up names.

  19. Damn, that's obnoxious. We've just finished alcohols and spiros and are currently working on alkenes and some new mechanisms.
    RcB Since 09-06-2011 20:55 EST, Post 49

  20. looks like testanate 50 will work very well then!

  21. Bump

    Really good thread.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by matthew76 View Post
    Bump

    Really good thread.
    Agreed! Interesting...

  23. Hey guys any new info on Propadrol? Gains? sides? I was thinking of pulsing it with some Havoc, you know Methyl with a non Methyl, either that or Havoc with some Furaguno for a 6 week cycle, and some Cycle support on off days, and Post cycle support as my PCT. Any thoughts, and/or recommendations?

    I'm out.

  24. Hey guys, im kinda new to prohormones and am trying to research and read as many threads as possible. Ive been looking at a lot of prohormone products and some people say one is great and others hate it. I just want to know what product is good for good gains and very low side effects? I read the profiles and was just wondering what product would be good for me. I dont need to cut body fat, im 9.4%, but i wana put on 6-7 pounds of lean muscle and keep it on. Any suggestions??
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