Designer Steroid/prohormone profiles

[koman]

Dude, your post sounds like you are a Federal agent or something. You have been cycling on and off for 20 years and never heard of PH's. You are comparing creatine to roids? I do not want to welcome you by bashing but if you are not a Fed, then you spend way too much time reading the NY Times.

first off, i never compared creatine to juice, if u look at my first post, i said i have tried all these things like VO2 and HMB and creatine that was supposedly so good and never had any results like when i was on the juice, so i was wondering if that was the case with these designer roids. Yeah and i have been cycling on and off mostly on for 20 years and never heard of pro hormones and superdrol and all this other stuff. Im old school, anadrol, dbol, test, sustenon, primobolin, hgh and insulin, etc. So now if someone is trying to get informed on something he has never heard about he is a fed, pretty nice. The industry i am in which is pro wrestling, no one else has heard of this stuff and i would say 85 percent of the guys are on the juice.

[koman]

superdrol gives extremely good results man. i would say its definitely right there with dbol. not as 'wet' of a compound, its actually rather dry. but the strength and mass increases are definitely up there.

another term i have never heard of wet and dry, does wet mean water retention. So which would be more toxic or have more side effects dbol or superdrol, sorry so many questions i am aboloutely clueless to all this new stuff.

[Redeemer]

Koman, don't tase me bro; your first post made me uneasy. Anyways, I can't speak for dbol but I know Superdrol is tricky. The side effects reported range from none, to nasty ad life threatening. Everyone seems to report pretty good gains though. One thing you might want to search on is PCT. Post cycle therapy is similar in some cased for PS, and PH as it is for steroids. Superdrol is afterall a steroid. Anyways, in the PCT threads, people discuss what they are running as well as the ancilaries and results. It should be a good place to start.

[sfearl1]

another term i have never heard of wet and dry, does wet mean water retention. So which would be more toxic or have more side effects dbol or superdrol, sorry so many questions i am aboloutely clueless to all this new stuff.

correct. i've run both and dbol had me a little boated up and puffy while superdrol had me tight and hard. so yeah, wet compounds are associated with water retention and dry compounds the opposite. as far as sides, hmmmmmm.. superdrol has me irritable and cranky the whole time i'm on it. also very lethargic. i didnt experience any hairloss or gyno with it whatsoever though. dbol had me itching my nips around day 10 or 11 and it also had me feeling a little lethargic and cranky on it despite some peoples claims to it putting them in a good mood. but i only got lethargic and cranky on dbol at high doses (60-80mg). it would be hard to say which is more toxic without blood tests but i've heard superdrol is. i've only gone as high as 30mg on it.

[koman]

correct. i've run both and dbol had me a little boated up and puffy while superdrol had me tight and hard. so yeah, wet compounds are associated with water retention and dry compounds the opposite. as far as sides, hmmmmmm.. superdrol has me irritable and cranky the whole time i'm on it. also very lethargic. i didnt experience any hairloss or gyno with it whatsoever though. dbol had me itching my nips around day 10 or 11 and it also had me feeling a little lethargic and cranky on it despite some peoples claims to it putting them in a good mood. but i only got lethargic and cranky on dbol at high doses (60-80mg). it would be hard to say which is more toxic without blood tests but i've heard superdrol is. i've only gone as high as 30mg on it.

Just shows how different everyone is because i had a lot of energy while on dbol, anyways well my next question would be which one did u think worked better between the two, gave u better results.

[sfearl1]

Just shows how different everyone is because i had a lot of energy while on dbol, anyways well my next question would be which one did u think worked better between the two, gave u better results.

right now its superdrol but thats because i've ran it 3 times and had positive results each time. i have only used dbol once, and although i liked it, it didnt impress me like i thought it would. but i will definitely use it again and give it another chance on a bulk.

it seemed like the strength increase might come on a little quicker and greater with dbol but not by much.

[Tonew]

Ok, I am new to this and have a few questions???
What pro hormones are legal to order?
What should I take if I want to cut fat and add size?
I have read about Havoc and 11 OXO. Would this be a good start?
They are out of stock ov Havoc...Where can I order? I searched and some of the packaging is different?
Thanks, and this has been very informatioinal. I hope to learn more!

[Brian5225]

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[Leggo my Ego]

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[Tonew]

I know I am new but am I missing something?
Did I ask poor questions?
Sorry if I did. Just looking for some information.

[Brian5225]

Sorry Tonew's questions seem a little suspicious. I'm kinda paranoid all the time lol. I mean honestly its kinda based on how you want to go about it. Havoc is an anti-estrogen (anyone correct me if I'm off base lol) and 11-oxo is an cortisol blocker, so its two completely different things. Also, most people go for (its more effective for me if I do it in this fashion) cutting and bulking. One phase for adding mass, one for losing fat. But you're kinda openning a can of worms, depends on age, lifting experience, weight, bf%, all kinds of things. And no offense but you're questions sound really suspicious. Any other guys on this forum can refute me if I'm way off base.

[Tonew]

Again, I am sorry. I'm not sure what are the wrong questions to ask?
I just listed the two products because that is what I have read about in the threads. Well at least what I can make out of them....I am lookinn to bulk and cut yes you are right. I am looking to add size. Without water.
I really want to know if I can order this without wondering if I am breaking any laws?? I am not affiliated with any law enforcement at all. But I really am trying to do this right? I have purchased a long time ago at *** AD-1 and liked it then I could not get it any longer. I know it was banned or something??? So What would you recomend I get and can I do it without worries??

[Redeemer]

Regardless of what you go with, the general consensus is that you can't bulk and cut at the sametime. That is, if you are bulking, keep it clean, but bulk and expect to put some fat on. When cutting, you go superclean, try to rid yourself of fat through a calorie defecit, but expect to lose some muscle. The point being that when you bulk, to put on more muscle than you will lose whilst cutting. It takes a long time, and proper planning combined with understanding your body to get it right. Any product worth it's salt simply makes these goals easier to attain.

[Tonew]

I understand what you are saying. I have used many products in the past. Mostly from Muscletech. Then I used some prohormones from ***..AD-1...etc but this was years ago. I am looking to get back into it and am looking in the store and trying to do some research on what supplements I should take. I have the normal supplements. But looking for something that will give me something extra like AD-1 did.
I have been out of it for several years like I said and not sure what all the banned stuff is. I have been reading the posts about the supplements that people are taking. I am simply looking to bulk then cut. Yes, I understand you can not do both at the same time but I also do not want to gain unwanted water. I want to stay hard.

With all this said, What would anyone recomend? Also I want to make sure what I am ordering is legal in my state. IL. I am not part of any thing other than trying to get information? I guess if everyone does not want to answer my question,,,,,I should take that as a hint?? But I really want to make some big gains like in the past???
Any help????

[Brian5225]

Okay, just to clear this, Muscletech is widely hated. They are over-priced, and most of their products arent anything more than some cocktail of very low doses that you could make on your own for a fraction of the price. And the first post in this forum shows a list of wet and dry compounds that can be taken.

[Tonew]

I guess I'm not going to get any answers??? All I asked was is this stuff still Legal? I read that it has not been baned yet but this was a post fro 9-07. Not sure if anythin has changed?

I do not care if Muscletech is hated. This is something I used years ago. I am not looking for anything but help. If you do not want to help that's fine but i'm not looking for an argument. Just some help in getting big. Havok seems to be the talk and I am just looking for some help. Should I stack up before it is banned? Is it banned? Just simple questions.
Thanks

[sfearl1]

I guess I'm not going to get any answers??? All I asked was is this stuff still Legal? I read that it has not been baned yet but this was a post fro 9-07. Not sure if anythin has changed?

I do not care if Muscletech is hated. This is something I used years ago. I am not looking for anything but help. If you do not want to help that's fine but i'm not looking for an argument. Just some help in getting big. Havok seems to be the talk and I am just looking for some help. Should I stack up before it is banned? Is it banned? Just simple questions.
Thanks

pretty sure its not banned. its a good product. why don't you start researching havoc now and figure out if its right for you, then start a thread outlining a proposed cycle and go from there. not saying that you are, but asking for people to do the work for you will get you nowhere.

[Leggo my Ego]

I guess I'm not going to get any answers??? All I asked was is this stuff still Legal? I read that it has not been baned yet but this was a post fro 9-07. Not sure if anythin has changed?

I do not care if Muscletech is hated. This is something I used years ago. I am not looking for anything but help. If you do not want to help that's fine but i'm not looking for an argument. Just some help in getting big. Havok seems to be the talk and I am just looking for some help. Should I stack up before it is banned? Is it banned? Just simple questions.
Thanks

Tonew..... Seriously, no one means you any disrespect... people aren't answering your questions because they are very easily answered by using the search function located towards the upper-right side of every page in the forum. If everytime someone asked a question which the answer could be easily found, this board would be filled with the same Q&A in many, many, many threads. Do yourself a BIG favor and do some reasearch and read read read.



Welcome to AM, by the way

[Brian5225]

And if you're wondering if something is banned, if you can buy it from a supplement store, most of the time its still legal. If a law is passed banning it, most times they can sell off whats left that they have. And I'm sorry if I seem like I'm disrespecting you, I certainly don't mean to. Search around for the big names at the top of this list, and you'll see a lot for sale. If its a big company like bodybuilding.com, sbmuscle.com, nutraplanet, or any other big supp companies, its not illegal (yet). Also, there is a thread here somewhere about people stocking up, me being one of them. Check it out on the search function.

[Tonew]

Thank everyone for their help. I will continue to read up and do my own research. I know the questions that I asked are not just a simple yes-no answer. So, I am sorry if I was short with anyone. Guess I just want to get going!
Thanks again! Any suggestions would be great!