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ThanksThe major peak found
has a retention time of 20.48 min and has a major ion of 270. The peak did not match any know
standard we have in-house, and did not match any compound in NIST or Wiley mass spectral
libraries; therefore we cannot identify the compound. A reference standard of the labeled
compound could not be obtained from our typical supplier. Using a similar compound, we
quantified the amount relative to a reference standard of certified 99 % pure analytical standard
of Testosterone to provide an estimated amount per capsule.
Bodybuilding.com Forums - View Single Post - Epistane Testing Resultsyes the results for havoc show that the stuff contains a compuond that has a MW of 288. 288 is the correct MW for the methylepistanol (it desulfurizes in the injection port to give 288)
otoh this mass spectrum that mike posted here has a MW of 270.
all of this i knew for a long time as we tested it and saw the same thing
This was the labs response to me when I asked if the pills only contained 3.8mg of activeThat's the amount we found. The label says it should be 10 mg. But remember, it is referenced against a standard of testosterone and is probably close, within 20% of that value. We would need a pure standard of the substance to be closer.
Alston.
DITTO!Well i'm officially still needing to buy a clue.
No you don't! I already broke it down days ago how the 270 ion is generated in the thread that got closed. I explained A LOT of things in that thread if you have been following and reading between the lines, like why nobody is getting results with the Ox, but that's another issue.Well i'm officially still needing to buy a clue.
No you don't! I already broke it down days ago how the 270 ion is generated in the thread that got closed. I explained A LOT of things in that thread if you have been following and reading between the lines, like why nobody is getting results with the Ox, but that's another issue.
This is a solid report on Epi and there's nothing to argue really. Also, remember that the low mg/cap is an "estimated amount" in the words of the lab that made this report, because it is not a real number but rather an extrapolated value based off a different standard. That means error is to be expected necessarily without a true reference standard to calculate from. More importantly, an internal standard is required in order to really quantitate anything. Without the % recovery from an internal, surrogate standard doped in both the blank injection and the sample injection, you have no idea what the system efficiency is anyway, so take that with a serious grain of salt and Alston would tell you the same thing if you contacted him. That number means squat and Mike is only trying to make it seem important so he doesn't look like a total ass (too late for that though) at this point after all this drama and no proof of anything now.
Nice try Mike, but you still didn't prove a damn thing was wrong with Epi. Now if you're smart, you'll move on and pray to God that IBE doesn't decide to blow the whistles on all your little buddies with their crappy results that don't even come close to the ones you posted for Epi. If you keep on after this though, you will get what you deserve, believe that.
OK Mike, I can see you want to keep pushing, but don't say you weren't warned! I do not appreciate you trying to keep wasting my time like this.PA tested your product and came out with a MW of 270. He tested the other two products, which are to contain the exact same ingredient and came up with 288. I test your product and come up with 270. Now, if PA tested the three products all the same way and came up with 2 different results (288 being the explainable number), why is yours coming up 270 (which has no logical explanation)?
So, are you saying there could be testosterone in the other products which have a MW of 288?OK Mike, I can see you want to keep pushing, but don't say you weren't warned! I do not appreciate you trying to keep wasting my time like this.
288 is the molecular weight of testosterone BTW, a controlled substance that does not belong in a dietary supp. That ion is NOT in the IBE product and not my concern, that's somebody else's nightmare!
RTP already said they could not id 270 so who cares what PA says? He admitted to having no standard also.
I have a better idea, you are well advised just don't use Epi. Or don't be so lazy. The data is posted. Do you think I made it up? I put the number there days before this report even came out so how could I! It hasn't been edited either. It's the same result as this one. READ.This test makes a strong case for Epistane being greatly impure. If that is not actually the situation, IBE and co. would be well advised to make a contrary argument that is at least as strong. Hand-waving about reading between the lines of 10 page locked threads is not such an argument.
How do we know that 288 is the *correct* compound. All I've heard so far is that NOBODY has a standard to compare to. Maybe I'm misguided. :think:D, here is a simple question:
Can you give a logical explanation for why your product has a MW of 270? Given that a MW of 288 can be explained and justified as the correct compound.
Don't act like you can't read Mike. I explained it already, days ago.No you don't! I already broke it down days ago how the 270 ion is generated in the thread that got closed. ...
We want to keep pushing. We do not appreciate you trying to keep wasting our time, money, and health, not to mention putting a giant political bullseye on the back of the industry in general. We do not trust you anymore, so don't expect us to accept an explanation that requires trusting you. And if you alienate us by shadowboxing around a straight answer to the legitimate concerns we have, then our lack of patronage alone will be enough to bury you.OK Mike, I can see you want to keep pushing, but don't say you weren't warned! I do not appreciate you trying to keep wasting my time like this.
:clap2:We want to keep pushing. We do not appreciate you trying to keep wasting our time, money, and health, not to mention putting a giant political bullseye on the back of the industry in general. We do not trust you anymore, so don't expect us to accept an explanation that requires trusting you. And if you alienate us by shadowboxing around a straight answer to the legitimate concerns we have, then our lack of patronage alone will be enough to bury you.
Don't say you weren't warned.
OK Mike, I can see you want to keep pushing, but don't say you weren't warned! I do not appreciate you trying to keep wasting my time like this.
288 is the molecular weight of testosterone BTW, a controlled substance that does not belong in a dietary supp. That ion is NOT in the IBE product and not my concern, that's somebody else's nightmare!
RTP already said they could not id 270 so who cares what PA says? He admitted to having no standard also.
I have a better idea, you are well advised just don't use Epi. Or don't be so lazy. The data is posted. Do you think I made it up? I put the number there days before this report even came out so how could I! It hasn't been edited either. It's the same result as this one. READ.
That's it. I'm out.didnt it say within 20%?
how does a lab even get a standard of pure legit stuff to test to?thats an honest question as im wondering?threats,anger,condemnation..how very VERY 'christian' of you.i am sickened by hypocritical 'christian' or other religious bull****ters such as yourself.
so its turn the other cheek,or an eye for an eye,depending on the situation eh?jesus would ***** slap u
in regards to the majority of your post as a whole.
Yeah, that was pretty outta line.That's it. I'm out.
I agree. I myself wonder what these tests mean, but I can't help but acknowledge what Epistane has done for me in terms of gyno reduction.As an observation: The user reports of reduced or eliminated gyno after using Epistane really cannot be ignored. There are so many of them spread across different boards from experienced users who have credibility in their various online communities. I don't understand the science of these test results enough to contribute anything meaningful about what they say about Epistane....but SOMETHING unusually positive comes from this product. Precisely as predicted by the structure of the compound.
I'll leave it for others mor eknowledgeable to debate the test results.
I was attacked at another board. Jacob you suck, I hate you, but your products work so I was like okay.Attack the information, not the person. This will not keep getting repeated. I'm here looking for information just like the rest of you and I also want clear cut answers but attacking someone's religion or anything else for that matter besides their statements gets us nowhere.
D had a reason though, this isnt the first thread he has been personally attacked in, even only counting the last week hes had a rough time, and i would really hate to see what his PM box looks like.So, results are posted. And, now, with 44 members viewing the thread, both the OP (1Fast) and the defendant (Dr. D) skip town.
Great.
Seeing posts like this make me want to bash my head against a wall.and these tests dont really prove anything do they?
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