long, as a result of the 17AA, which means it would be comparable for 17AA estradiol.
Figured that, but comparable to something that potent? Not sure about that. I know from first hand how potent it is as I don't really bloat to much from Test at 750mg/week but once I start Dbol the water retention is bad plus the fact I started to develop gyno (even while using Letro and Proviron). If that doesn't teach you the worth of Nolva, nothing will.
From my experience the whole water retention thing is blown out of proportion with Drol. I think the potency and amount of 17 methyl E2 Dbol produced increases aldosterone production much more than Drol does by just binding to the AR. Then again this is just my experience so someone else could have the complete opposite reaction.
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Originally Posted by Big Cat
where can I get the primary journal articles from?
Just got done trying it. Boy that sucked. Made me ill. I am going to try it once more at some point but I did not care one bit for this. It was hard to discribe but it just made me feel bad.
Mail me, I have it on disk. Make sure I know its you in the subject line, cause I get a lot of email.Originally Posted by ps24eva
Haven't used drol yet, but I plan to when January comes around. One question, does drol give the same painful back pumps that dbol and M1T does? Haven't heard anyone mention it, just curious.
Not at all, I worked lower back the other night and was fine. However, the general pumps from anadrol, in my experience, are insane. I worked chest a few days ago and my pecs blew up. I thought I'd also add that I've had little to no water retention on anadrol, I'm actually staying hard and making lean gains. This is my first time to try the stuff and I like it a lot. My strength didn't immediately explode like with dbol, but then again I also don't look pregnant. Also, no one at the gym has been like "Woah man you exploded!" which is another sign my water retention is minimal. Instead I get daily comments on looking cut and lean, little do they know I'm putting on weight. Hooha.Originally Posted by Beelzebub
Sounds promising. What's your dosage?
I should have mentioned that. I'm on a lower dose, 50mg/day, and it's working quite well. I did a little experimenting because I wanted to see how it worked by itself and ran it alone for 2 weeks just to see what happened before I threw any test in. In just that two weeks my weight had increased and I was looking more cut and strength was up. I can only imagine what 100mg/day would be doing. This'll definitely be included in my next cycle.Originally Posted by Beelzebub
I'm sold. Guess I'll stock up on it and give it a whirl in place of dbol. Thanks for the info.
bobo.. did you stay lean while taking drol? i am concerned about losing sight of my abs, and vascular arms.Originally Posted by Bobo
I'm not bobo, but I'll share my personal experience with you anyway. While taking anadrol alone and nothing else, my vascularity increased massively and I became one of the "veiny freaks" at the gym, I was more lean than I have ever been, and my abs were showing better than ever. Eat some Niacin or buy some NO2 and get yourself some anadrol and I guarantee you'll be pretty vascular. Also I have to agree with bobo this is by far the best steroid I have ever used, I actually gained mass and shredded body fat simultaneously and I got no bloat whatsoever.Originally Posted by slewdem
have you tried using drol alongside tren?Originally Posted by GangstaJDog
No, but the results would probably be phenomenol. Anadrol cut fat off me like a hot knife through butter, and from what I hear tren's even better at it. If you have the resources available I say you give it a shot, you might just get the best cycle of your life. Keep us posted..Originally Posted by slewdem
Bump that. Test/tren/drol is the best you can get. But I really don't recommend oral steroids unless strictly necessary. I can't see many people requiring this stack either, but its definitely number one among the "quality mass in a hurry" stacks. Ideally you would get a lot of test in there, but obviously depending on how prone you are to estrogenic sides, you need to remember that anadrol is an estrogen agonist and that tren is somewhat progestagenic.
For this reason many people attempting it will usually do test the whole cycle and start off with anadrol the first six weeks and switch to tren the last 6 weeks. Combining the anadrol with a low dose aromatase inhibitor, since this does not affect the anadrol, which agonizes the estrogen receptor directly, but does lower estrogen slightly from testosterone, putting you in an acceptable A:E range.
Using the Anadrol first and the tren after also has a distinct benefit. 17AA steroids tend to upregulate the glucocorticoid receptor. This is one of the reasons you lose mass so fast after oral only cycles. But after you come off the drol, you still have six weeks of test/tren. Test blocks the GR and tren reduces the output of cortisol, which means that your body has 6 weeks it is less sensitive to catabolism to restore its GR density. Meaning not only gaining massing and losing less mass, but losing less mass post cycle from what you gained from the anadrol.
so should i run some 50mg/ed drol alongside my test/tren cycle?
i am currently running:
100mg ed prop
75mg ed tren
looking to add drol to this and run it for the next 4 weeks along with the above two items... i am just worried about bloat now that i have my bf down to an acceptable(being humble) level.
[QUOTE=slewdem]so should i run some 50mg/ed drol alongside my test/tren cycle?
How much do you weigh? 50mg is a light dose, I only ran it at that because it was my first time to use it and I wanted to see if I got results from that dose, which I did, good ones at that, but I probably should have gone with 100mg/day because my bodyweight is above 200lbs. Consider your liver too though. Have you done a lot of other harsh orals? I'd go with 50mg if you have. Either way (50mg or 100mg) you'll love the results.
[QUOTE=GangstaJDog]sometimes i run m5aa pre-workout.. but only like 1-2x per week if that.Originally Posted by slewdem
i just really want to avoid bloating.. but am itching to see what all the hype is about. plus i read you cut up on it, so that makes it even more appealing.
I'm not doubting anyone's experience's here or anything, but this is the first I have ever heard of anyone cutting up from drol. I guess drugs do ract differently in everybody. I'm about to add drol to my cycle. It'll be added to EQ 400/mg/week Test E 1gm/week. Can't wait to try it. On thing about dianabol I won't miss is that it seems that each brand I try reacts differently in my body. This last cycle, I used it with tren and test and I absolutely could not eat a full meal without feeling nine months pregnant.
Hmmm, guess this explains my old military buddies stories and pics of when he was stationed in S. Korea and was taking anadrol.
I thought he was full of crap because I assumed that the puffiness and water retention were pretty high on anadrol at the time (before I knew what I know now about AAS).....but it seems that anecdotal evidence points in another direction.
I guess those ripped up and vascular pics he showed me were legit. Go figure.