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Hey guys, been reading countless threads, articles and stickies trying to gain some info to answer this dilemma of mine. Please indicate if answering from experience or given source. Thanks.
Currently 12 weeks out from an event and I would like to be as close as competition condition as possible (5-8% Bf). 8 months ago I was in this condition (173lbs @ 7% Bf) and decided to steadily bulk to where I am now (216 @ 13-15% Bf).
Due to a shoulder injury I had 2 years ago, my chest has not been able to catch up with the rest of my body to the standard I would like (Shoulder has been fully recovered for 11 months now after therapy). It has been growing at a decent rate but so has the rest of my body and I would just like a little more to be perfectly satisfied with my physique (isn’t that what we all want?).
Besides my chest I am more than happy with the rest of my size and would like to go into maintenance after this event because of numerous reasons (girlfriend and family don’t want me any bigger, tons of clothing that doesn’t fit, doc complaining, etc.)
This brings up my question (sorry for the monologue). Would it be more beneficial to hit my chest very hard for 2 weeks on high amounts of short estered gear OR begin to cut with the exception of 1-2 chest days throughout the week with very high cals and short estered gear then begin to cut right after and forget about ever bulking again.
I figured this might confuse you so let me portray what I had in mind.
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Option 1:
Week 1&2
150mg Test Acetate ED
100mg Drol ED
20mg Dbol ED
50mg Tren Acetate ED (MAYBE)
20mg Nolva ED
Week 3-9
250mg Test E/wk
25mg Tren Ace ED
Week 10-12
Comp Prep
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Option 2:
Week 1-9
Test E 250mg/wk
Tren Ace 25mg ED
**CHEST DAYS**
150-200mg Test Ace
50-100mg Tren Ace (MAYBE)
100-150mg Anadrol
20-30mg Dbol
20mg Nolva (MAYBE)
Week 10-12
Comp Prep
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Logic behind Option 1:
This is my first post but I’ve been lurking for years but finally came to a plateau where I felt I needed to ask a question. I’ve realized many people ask before searching up and I assure I’m the complete opposite. Naturally a healthy male can gain approx 1-2lbs of muscle a week. I don’t know how much a pound of muscle would look on a muscle but I know I would be ecstatic to add 4lbs on my chest in the 2 weeks lol. My logic behind the 2 week blast, as some may call it, is a protocol I’ve been following for about 3 years now. It was brought to my attention by Bill Roberts and it is by far the most optimal way for my body to see rapid gains in a short amount of time with minimal sides. Again I repeat, my body. Before cycling I was 5’11 & 156lbs. I was a high school basketball player and ridiculously conditioned, I also ran cross country in the off season. I put “MAYBE” next to the Tren dose because I see very good results at less than 200mg/wk and anything over I can’t sleep (I appreciate my sleep). I hope this is enough explanation behind my logic, if you have no knowledge in the 2 week protocol please find another thread to comment on.
Logic behind Option 2:
I came to this protocol after reading a lot about “pulsing” oral steroids. Most people partake in this protocol for less sides or the pump but that’s not what I’m concerned of. I want to know if this protocol does show a significant amount of muscle growth or recovery. I do not want to put extra stress on my body for simply a pump. Also will it cause growth if throughout the week I’m in a calorie deficit not including my chest days. I will having a high fat/low carb diet on my non chest days to hopefully add sensitivity to carbs on my chest days. I put a maybe next to Nolva because I know the plasma levels peak after 5 hours but I do not know if one day will make a significant change in my estrogen levels (in regards to bloat and gyno). Additionally every compound will be split and administered in 2 doses (AM & PreWorkout)
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Stats & Cycle History
5’11
216 @ 13-15% Bf
25
Longest Cycle: 20 weeks
Shortest: 2 weeks
Duration of cycling: 5 years
Time on = Time off
Full Panel Blood work done before, during, and after every cycle (Only costs me 25US)
Compounds Previously Used (with max dose ever ran)
Test Ace, Prop, Enth (800mg/wk MAX)
Tren Ace, Enth (400mg/wk MAX)
Deca (300mg/wk MAX)
Equipoise (1000mg/wk MAX)
Anadrol (100mg ED MAX)
Dbol (30mg ED MAX)
Winny (50mg ED MAX)
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PLEASE DO NOT COME ON HERE AND CRITICIZE IF YOU LACK ANY SOURCES TO FOLLOW YOUR CLAIM. I’VE BEEN TRAINING WITH COMPETITORS IN MY GYM FOR YEARS AND MY UNCLE COMPETES AS WELL (@46). I’VE BEEN INTRIGUED IN THIS SCIENCE WAY BEFORE I EVER STARTED GEAR AND WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND MY KNOWLEDGE ON IT EACH AND EVERY DAY POSSIBLE. WE ARE ALL HERE TO LEARN. THANK YOU.
Currently 12 weeks out from an event and I would like to be as close as competition condition as possible (5-8% Bf). 8 months ago I was in this condition (173lbs @ 7% Bf) and decided to steadily bulk to where I am now (216 @ 13-15% Bf).
Due to a shoulder injury I had 2 years ago, my chest has not been able to catch up with the rest of my body to the standard I would like (Shoulder has been fully recovered for 11 months now after therapy). It has been growing at a decent rate but so has the rest of my body and I would just like a little more to be perfectly satisfied with my physique (isn’t that what we all want?).
Besides my chest I am more than happy with the rest of my size and would like to go into maintenance after this event because of numerous reasons (girlfriend and family don’t want me any bigger, tons of clothing that doesn’t fit, doc complaining, etc.)
This brings up my question (sorry for the monologue). Would it be more beneficial to hit my chest very hard for 2 weeks on high amounts of short estered gear OR begin to cut with the exception of 1-2 chest days throughout the week with very high cals and short estered gear then begin to cut right after and forget about ever bulking again.
I figured this might confuse you so let me portray what I had in mind.
-------------------------------------------------
Option 1:
Week 1&2
150mg Test Acetate ED
100mg Drol ED
20mg Dbol ED
50mg Tren Acetate ED (MAYBE)
20mg Nolva ED
Week 3-9
250mg Test E/wk
25mg Tren Ace ED
Week 10-12
Comp Prep
-------------------------------------------------
Option 2:
Week 1-9
Test E 250mg/wk
Tren Ace 25mg ED
**CHEST DAYS**
150-200mg Test Ace
50-100mg Tren Ace (MAYBE)
100-150mg Anadrol
20-30mg Dbol
20mg Nolva (MAYBE)
Week 10-12
Comp Prep
------------------------------------------------
Logic behind Option 1:
This is my first post but I’ve been lurking for years but finally came to a plateau where I felt I needed to ask a question. I’ve realized many people ask before searching up and I assure I’m the complete opposite. Naturally a healthy male can gain approx 1-2lbs of muscle a week. I don’t know how much a pound of muscle would look on a muscle but I know I would be ecstatic to add 4lbs on my chest in the 2 weeks lol. My logic behind the 2 week blast, as some may call it, is a protocol I’ve been following for about 3 years now. It was brought to my attention by Bill Roberts and it is by far the most optimal way for my body to see rapid gains in a short amount of time with minimal sides. Again I repeat, my body. Before cycling I was 5’11 & 156lbs. I was a high school basketball player and ridiculously conditioned, I also ran cross country in the off season. I put “MAYBE” next to the Tren dose because I see very good results at less than 200mg/wk and anything over I can’t sleep (I appreciate my sleep). I hope this is enough explanation behind my logic, if you have no knowledge in the 2 week protocol please find another thread to comment on.
Logic behind Option 2:
I came to this protocol after reading a lot about “pulsing” oral steroids. Most people partake in this protocol for less sides or the pump but that’s not what I’m concerned of. I want to know if this protocol does show a significant amount of muscle growth or recovery. I do not want to put extra stress on my body for simply a pump. Also will it cause growth if throughout the week I’m in a calorie deficit not including my chest days. I will having a high fat/low carb diet on my non chest days to hopefully add sensitivity to carbs on my chest days. I put a maybe next to Nolva because I know the plasma levels peak after 5 hours but I do not know if one day will make a significant change in my estrogen levels (in regards to bloat and gyno). Additionally every compound will be split and administered in 2 doses (AM & PreWorkout)
----------------------------------------------
Stats & Cycle History
5’11
216 @ 13-15% Bf
25
Longest Cycle: 20 weeks
Shortest: 2 weeks
Duration of cycling: 5 years
Time on = Time off
Full Panel Blood work done before, during, and after every cycle (Only costs me 25US)
Compounds Previously Used (with max dose ever ran)
Test Ace, Prop, Enth (800mg/wk MAX)
Tren Ace, Enth (400mg/wk MAX)
Deca (300mg/wk MAX)
Equipoise (1000mg/wk MAX)
Anadrol (100mg ED MAX)
Dbol (30mg ED MAX)
Winny (50mg ED MAX)
-----------------------------------------------
PLEASE DO NOT COME ON HERE AND CRITICIZE IF YOU LACK ANY SOURCES TO FOLLOW YOUR CLAIM. I’VE BEEN TRAINING WITH COMPETITORS IN MY GYM FOR YEARS AND MY UNCLE COMPETES AS WELL (@46). I’VE BEEN INTRIGUED IN THIS SCIENCE WAY BEFORE I EVER STARTED GEAR AND WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND MY KNOWLEDGE ON IT EACH AND EVERY DAY POSSIBLE. WE ARE ALL HERE TO LEARN. THANK YOU.
