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  1. Kretzy fired his azz you should fire your doctor too....I was gonna fire mine today, but his secretary had all the right answers so I will go along with the plan since it made sense, they are just being too careful wanting to slowly up the dosage month by month...thats cool though, I'm just gonna apply the gel to my balls and increase the absorption to the nth degree! LOL...


  2. i hear u there man, its a long procsess ive been goin through this for too long....and its only the beginning for me, and i cant fire my doc, i really got no where else to o.........
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  3. yeah its hard to fire doctors.....complicated....but I mean really....how the FCK am I gonna get "side effects" from a 2.5g gel packet once per day when its absorption is for shyt and I routinely have injected 400-700mg of test per week previously? and 2.5mg (probably) of test per day is gonna give me sides? c'mon man, I'm all for safety but damn thats called straight pus$yfooting around. HIT ME WITH THE 7.5 OR 10G PACKETS MAN!!!

  4. haha yea if i was ok with it u probably woudl be........i uess i shouldnt be too worried abotu sides if i didnt hae any from 10g per day of gel for a while and this is alot less than that.............i think

  5. Quote Originally Posted by mkretz View Post
    haha yea if i was ok with it u probably woudl be........i uess i shouldnt be too worried abotu sides if i didnt hae any from 10g per day of gel for a while and this is alot less than that.............i think
    Are you on 100mg per week injections? if so it would be equivalent to 70mg-140mg of 10G androgel depending on absorption....should be a low of 10% and a high of maybe 20% at best depending on many factors....10G = 10mg per day of test at 10% absorption and 1% potency...so 7 days that is 70mg low/average figure, maybe upwards of 100mg or more if you got good absorption. So I'd say the 100mg injection is more similar than less potent in comparison to the 10G gel.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by lboston View Post
    Thanks man. I occasionally cycle PES erase just for comfort. Like your doc said, on that low of dose, needing a manzier isn't that likely....still, any educated guy on the subject still had a fear of ending up looking like Bob from Fight Club!

    Do you use/ have you used DHEA ad well?
    Im also using .25mg arimidex eod to eood. So no im not to worried. I do not react well to estrogen sides however. But 25mg is a low dose. Some research goes up to 200mg. Again topical is prefered. But im not the richest person.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    Are you on 100mg per week injections? if so it would be equivalent to 70mg-140mg of 10G androgel depending on absorption....should be a low of 10% and a high of maybe 20% at best depending on many factors....10G = 10mg per day of test at 10% absorption and 1% potency...so 7 days that is 70mg low/average figure, maybe upwards of 100mg or more if you got good absorption. So I'd say the 100mg injection is more similar than less potent in comparison to the 10G gel.

    so it seems like this 100mgs per week may be good for me, im not gonna do anything for right now and jsut see how i react, i have bloods done again in a month, until then, my test will still be hiher than it was which i have to be happy about i uess

  8. Quote Originally Posted by mkretz View Post
    so it seems like this 100mgs per week may be good for me, im not gonna do anything for right now and jsut see how i react, i have bloods done again in a month, until then, my test will still be hiher than it was which i have to be happy about i uess
    i'm willing to bet you'll be pleased with the 100mg injections....more consistent and reliable than the gel, you know exactly what you are injecting versus playing russian roulette with the gel absorption. once you get bloods done you will know for sure if you need to bump it up...problem is that the doctors idea of "ideal" test levels and your/my idea of ideal test levels? will be miles apart. They will probably deem 800's or 900's way too high and try to bump you down lol.

  9. yea he said he was shooting for liek 400-500, i want more dammit lol

  10. Quote Originally Posted by mkretz View Post
    yea he said he was shooting for liek 400-500, i want more dammit lol
    350 is the top of low, bottom of normal range....so who the F would be satisfied with 400 and change is completely clueless. even the androgel packets shoot for 750-850 with the 10g packets and 600-650 with the 5g judging by the charts they include with the package insert. you should show him that and ask why he is shooting for almost half that much or 1/3 less. doesn't make sense, not like 700-800 test is gonna harm you, for a healthy male those levels can only help and make you healthier.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6

    350 is the top of low, bottom of normal range....so who the F would be satisfied with 400 and change is completely clueless. even the androgel packets shoot for 750-850 with the 10g packets and 600-650 with the 5g judging by the charts they include with the package insert. you should show him that and ask why he is shooting for almost half that much or 1/3 less. doesn't make sense, not like 700-800 test is gonna harm you, for a healthy male those levels can only help and make you healthier.
    I'm like you, I've had three if fervent doctors tell me that they like to get their patients to 450-500. Doesn't make sense to me. I started out on this biatch at 172, so that's way better than what I was, but @ 27 I want to be at the top of the scale.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by lboston View Post
    I'm like you, I've had three if fervent doctors tell me that they like to get their patients to 450-500. Doesn't make sense to me. I started out on this biatch at 172, so that's way better than what I was, but @ 27 I want to be at the top of the scale.
    yeah especially for you younger guys.....it just makes logical sense to be near top of the chart. For us guys 35 and older, especially in the 40's and 50's....we are trying to get into the 20's year old range of course which is not necessarily "normal" for our age.....so I can see the doctors potential argument there (still bullshyt but at least they have a leg to stand on with some sort of legit claim). I think they don't understand the whole concept of TRT, men want to get to the maximum levels (top 1/4 of the chart), as long as it does not interfere with their general health. if they can prove its interfering and causing some health issue, OK...if not then explain to me why I shouldn't be at "high" levels. I don't think they will have a legit answer to that question.

  13. yea, im 22....nothin abnormal about 800 test

  14. Was reading these post yesterday lol haa you all are funny.

    If I were you I would demand to see a endo. Doctor has no right to stop you from seeing a endo. I personally would sue the shizz out of them for prescribing such a low does and I would win that case to.

  15. Thanks for sharing. I thought about working with him. What I can't understand is now he works with these doctors and has nearly no formal training in medicine. Seems like it would be a huge liability for the docs.

    I'm also afraid it's nearly a sales scheme...

  16. Quote Originally Posted by MrMarc View Post
    Was reading these post yesterday lol haa you all are funny.

    If I were you I would demand to see a endo. Doctor has no right to stop you from seeing a endo. I personally would sue the shizz out of them for prescribing such a low does and I would win that case to.
    they asked me "endo"??? when I mentioned it while inquiring about my low test number (they said "all clear" on the phone of course despite test score being marked low)...I had to ask for a copy of the results which they were more than happy to accommodate....then when I phoned them up for a referral to an endo they gave me the what for? spiel and said they do it out of the office there. so I inquired as to what methods they use etc...it was told to me either monthly shots of 100mg test (some do bi-weekly, both protocols are useless really though) and there are cases where they prescribe androgel. so I was like alright get back to me. call me back the next day and said I was not a candidate for shots since i was asymptomatic...so then we get the gel option of course...and low doses to assess tolerance of all things to add insult to injury (as if 2.5 G of 1% will harm me some way or give me sides). I'll play along if they bump me up eventually to 10G per week ...but if I encounter any more resistance I'm telling them refer me to an endo or I'm calling the cops...OK my lawyer LOL...

  17. What do they mean by asymptotic?

  18. Quote Originally Posted by lboston View Post
    What do they mean by asymptotic?
    it means the opposite of symptomatic.....in other words you aren't showing any symptoms of the problem...in this case, lowered muscle mass, increased fat (esp estrogenic fat), lethargy, low sex drive/libido. I was not asked if I had any of these symptoms, yet going by my test result alone that should tell them there is a problem. but they never asked me if I had symptoms, and I did not complain about them....so they probably did a visual and said this guy is not having symptoms. I did not argue about it, i just said OK i'll try the gel. I'm willing to give anything a shot. I'll increase the absorption and take other things to potentiate the gel. I could have went off and told them I was never asked if I had these symptoms. as if you can visually tell if someone is lethargic or has low sex drive LMFAO.

  19. my doc is an endo :-(

  20. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6

    it means the opposite of symptomatic.....in other words you aren't showing any symptoms of the problem...in this case, lowered muscle mass, increased fat (esp estrogenic fat), lethargy, low sex drive/libido. I was not asked if I had any of these symptoms, yet going by my test result alone that should tell them there is a problem. but they never asked me if I had symptoms, and I did not complain about them....so they probably did a visual and said this guy is not having symptoms. I did not argue about it, i just said OK i'll try the gel. I'm willing to give anything a shot. I'll increase the absorption and take other things to potentiate the gel. I could have went off and told them I was never asked if I had these symptoms. as if you can visually tell if someone is lethargic or has low sex drive LMFAO.
    Why don't you buy your own test lol?

  21. Quote Originally Posted by mkretz View Post
    my doc is an endo :-(
    this is sad......

  22. Quote Originally Posted by MrMarc View Post
    Why don't you buy your own test lol?
    yeah good question ....hadn't been in the test game for a number of years so I guess I just haven't looked around for it.....

  23. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6

    it means the opposite of symptomatic.....in other words you aren't showing any symptoms of the problem...in this case, lowered muscle mass, increased fat (esp estrogenic fat), lethargy, low sex drive/libido. I was not asked if I had any of these symptoms, yet going by my test result alone that should tell them there is a problem. but they never asked me if I had symptoms, and I did not complain about them....so they probably did a visual and said this guy is not having symptoms. I did not argue about it, i just said OK i'll try the gel. I'm willing to give anything a shot. I'll increase the absorption and take other things to potentiate the gel. I could have went off and told them I was never asked if I had these symptoms. as if you can visually tell if someone is lethargic or has low sex drive LMFAO.
    Lol-knew that's what it meant. I should have asked why they'd assume that. Horner, the endo I saw one time did the same thing. Told me I'm obviously muscular, have facial hair and strong, so....taken a multi vitamin for more energy. Needless to say I never went to the follow up!

  24. Quote Originally Posted by lboston View Post
    Lol-knew that's what it meant. I should have asked why they'd assume that. Horner, the endo I saw one time did the same thing. Told me I'm obviously muscular, have facial hair and strong, so....taken a multi vitamin for more energy. Needless to say I never went to the follow up!
    if you have any sort of decent muscle on you and are not fat, forget about it. You're "OK", don't worry the fact your test is at zero or ten....you'll be fine by the looks of ya. do they bother to realize we have to bust our ass to look like this? and "this" isn't even that great mind you....and if we, God forbid, had around normal or high test levels, it would be a MILLION times easier on us to look like this?

  25. goin in for my 2nd shot today..... worried, hopefully i dotn pass otu this tiem, my mom is gonna do it for me today and see how it goes

  26. Quote Originally Posted by mkretz
    goin in for my 2nd shot today..... worried, hopefully i dotn pass otu this tiem, my mom is gonna do it for me today and see how it goes
    Put some carbs in you. Youll be fine bro.
    I'm just a dude chasing a dream

  27. No feedback yet from OP--it's not lookin good boys!

  28. Quote Originally Posted by lboston View Post
    No feedback yet from OP--it's not lookin good boys!
    hahaha, I was thinking the same thing...its like a soap opera, "what happened to kretz today at the doctor"....did his mom inject him? did he inject himself? did he chicken out? did he fire the doctor? did he faint and hit his head and get admitted to ICU? these are the questions I must know every day!

  29. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6

    hahaha, I was thinking the same thing...its like a soap opera, "what happened to kretz today at the doctor"....did his mom inject him? did he inject himself? did he chicken out? did he fire the doctor? did he faint and hit his head and get admitted to ICU? these are the questions I must know every day!
    Lol-my bet is on fainting with a related head injury that followed. For the young guys sake I hope not!

  30. Quote Originally Posted by lboston View Post
    Lol-my bet is on fainting with a related head injury that followed. For the young guys sake I hope not!
    haha, I doubt it...they probably made sure he was in a room with no tables or chairs and all soft cushioned areas this thread is gonna be the next big thing with 1,000 replies
  

  
 

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