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  1. Quote Originally Posted by mkretz View Post
    so would u suggest supplementing dhea and erase?
    I'm thinking transdermal/topical type DHEA/pregnenolone/anti-estrogens (such as dermacrine). I would not take the DHEA pills you get at walmart, that being said I will be using several of the PP androseries product just so happens in the next 3-4 months, so that will be a source of oral DHEA there. Right now though I will try androgel plus dermacrine, with DAA (which is a test booster you take in caps or powder if you weren't familiar with it). I figure transdermal DHEA will convert to test, DAA will provide natural test production to increase, and the low dose test injections or gel will provide actual test. so yeah, I'd go with the test + DAA (or test booster of your choice) + transdermal DHEA of some sort. hit it from all angles since you are lowballing the test....with moderate to high test injections? this is all total bullshyt and a moot point...but I bet it will be beneficial with the low dose test.

    P.S.: and yeah I'd use some sort of AI like erase or whatever, but I'm sensitive to estrogen...not sure about you?


  2. Quote Originally Posted by lboston

    No doubt. Even on 100mg a week, I'm afraid I'm going to wake up with titties one day!
    Try not to worry about it bro, I had the same concerns when i was started on cyp. I had no issues at all, when he upped me to 150, I asked him if I should be worried about aromitization and he said no. He's been spot in so far so I'll respect his opinion.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by napalm

    Try not to worry about it bro, I had the same concerns when i was started on cyp. I had no issues at all, when he upped me to 150, I asked him if I should be worried about aromitization and he said no. He's been spot in so far so I'll respect his opinion.
    Thanks man. I occasionally cycle PES erase just for comfort. Like your doc said, on that low of dose, needing a manzier isn't that likely....still, any educated guy on the subject still had a fear of ending up looking like Bob from Fight Club!

    Do you use/ have you used DHEA ad well?

  4. Quote Originally Posted by lboston

    Thanks man. I occasionally cycle PES erase just for comfort. Like your doc said, on that low of dose, needing a manzier isn't that likely....still, any educated guy on the subject still had a fear of ending up looking like Bob from Fight Club!

    Do you use/ have you used DHEA ad well?
    It's called THE BRO... Lol

    No, haven't thought about DHEA yet, but I started thinking about erase last night.

    I try to keep the thing going in my body to a minimum. That way it's easier to attribute gains (or no gains) to a particular variable.

    Good luck!

  5. Quote Originally Posted by napalm

    It's called THE BRO... Lol

    No, haven't thought about DHEA yet, but I started thinking about erase last night.

    I try to keep the thing going in my body to a minimum. That way it's easier to attribute gains (or no gains) to a particular variable.

    Good luck!
    Lol--must be a Seinfeld fan!
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  6. Yeah like i was alluding to earlier...low dose test should equate to test/DHT and not estrogen...but the DHEA needs to monitored for sure. This is why most transdermal DHEA products include some sort of anti estrogen. Plus guys with low T would probably benefit from an OTC AI anyways. I bet in most cases there is higher estrogen accompanying the low T. Even though these fckfaces won't test for estrogen half the time on insurance because "you're not a woman".

  7. They run seinfeld reruns on DTV at 2 AM ....i watch them as i try to fall asleep. Good shyt ....esp the episode where George does "the opposite" of everything and gets the hot girl and good job etc lol

  8. what bout 7-keto dha, cuz i have some of that and a little tight on budget to buy demacrine..............also, with taking erase, again it only lastsz so long , is it relaly a lon term type of thing cuz this test probaby is long term u know what i mean, im dnot gona be able to buy bottles upon bottles of erase and demacrine

  9. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6
    They run seinfeld reruns on DTV at 2 AM ....i watch them as i try to fall asleep. Good shyt ....esp the episode where George does "the opposite" of everything and gets the hot girl and good job etc lol
    Hahaha. One of my faves man.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by mkretz
    what bout 7-keto dha, cuz i have some of that and a little tight on budget to buy demacrine..............also, with taking erase, again it only lastsz so long , is it relaly a lon term type of thing cuz this test probaby is long term u know what i mean, im dnot gona be able to buy bottles upon bottles of erase and demacrine
    I hear you...i got money to buy this stuff....but damn i don't need to be blowing 40 bucks on dermacrine and whatever copay on my Rx and another 30 bucks for AI every 4-6 weeks.....what i will do is stay on *whatever test they prescribe* plus cycle the transdermal and AI more for off time....then if cycling whatever...just cycle it w/o the derma or AI...or just cycle the derma time on = time off. At your weight minimum pumps are recommended anyways. Or hell ...just pick up cheap oral DHEA at walmart if you have to. But AI and transdermals can be cycled ....youd just be minus the additional test boost when off the derma. Best case is to stay on 365 of course...but nobody is made of $$$. Cheap oral DHEA might work for you though ...give that a shot and see what type of increase it gives you on bloods

  11. m doc only tests for test and lh, fsh which sux cuz id like to knwo dhea and estrogen

  12. i honestly dont know what to do at this point, i hae erase and 7-keto dhea pills........

  13. Quote Originally Posted by mkretz View Post
    m doc only tests for test and lh, fsh which sux cuz id like to knwo dhea and estrogen
    Tell your doc your nips are sensitive and slightly swollen.
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by mkretz View Post
    m doc only tests for test and lh, fsh which sux cuz id like to knwo dhea and estrogen
    Quote Originally Posted by mkretz View Post
    i honestly dont know what to do at this point, i hae erase and 7-keto dhea pills........
    mine too...and you have a legit medical condition, not just low test, you'd figure they'd want to help you out right? stupid MFckers, the people on this board do more to help you out than the goddamn doctor....makes me sick. would it kill them to test for estrogen? Christ on a crutch 7 keto is DHEA but I don't know how effective it will be at boosting DHEA or test levels....erase is perfect for an AI...do you work? make your own money? if so just get what you need, even if its oral DHEA pills on the cheap. or tell your mother you need some damn dermacrine for your health....you'll actually be telling her the truth. don't tell her I told you to try and triple dose your test boost though, I get in enough trouble around here without moms on my ass LOL...

  15. yes i work.... u think i shoudl try to take alittle more than the 100 mgs per week? so u think teh dermacrine is the mostimportant thin out of all of those? i jsut find it weird to take a test booster while takin test, thanks for all the help, this is a crazy time for me right now

  16. Quote Originally Posted by mkretz View Post
    yes i work.... u think i shoudl try to take alittle more than the 100 mgs per week? so u think teh dermacrine is the mostimportant thin out of all of those? i jsut find it weird to take a test booster while takin test, thanks for all the help, this is a crazy time for me right now
    if you could get 200mg per week, I'd say that is legit and don't bother with anything else (unless you really want to add in more test then go for it)....I am just getting on the damn androgel so I really need to bump it up with the dermacrine. The derma/DHEA will convert to test in your body, while the exogenous shots of test you get (or gel) are just that...from outside the body, and the test boosters (such as DAA) are dirt cheap and should boost up your natural test level (since you are on low dose test, 100mg per week is pretty low and the gel is def low dose). I can't tell you that this combo will work, its just one of my many "idea's" I come up with. you gotta take what your given, then figure out how to make it work...adapt to the situation you know? but damn, oral DHEA and DAA are about the cheapest things around nowadays other than caffeine pills

  17. Quote Originally Posted by mkretz
    yes i work.... u think i shoudl try to take alittle more than the 100 mgs per week? so u think teh dermacrine is the mostimportant thin out of all of those? i jsut find it weird to take a test booster while takin test, thanks for all the help, this is a crazy time for me right now
    In all honesty man I wouldn't add in anything right now if you want an honest assessment of how the treatment is working for you. You've had one shot, right? It can take around 4 weeks for the shots to get a relatively stable level of blood plasma levels.

    If you start adding in other things to boos your test then you really won't know you're effective dose. You may respond well to 100mg and be good to go on that. You may bump it up an then end up with some Tatas...you really don't know unless you get the bloodwork.

    If anything, I'd maybe use a low dose of erase to modulate the T to E ratio a bit. Other than that I'd leave it alone until after you get some bloodwork.

    Just my two cents.

  18. Yeah best to get baseline levels on the test alone after several months....but im an old impatient bastard who wants to jack the damn test up NOW!!!! this one goes to 11 ....but for kretz...he probably should wait till later to incorporate the DHEA and test boosters. Plus im on the pissant gel....he is on 100mg shots...i need extra assistance ...he may not...

  19. Quote Originally Posted by mkretz
    I was just prescriped test cyp by my doc for low test. i am only 22 but have test in the mid 200s, we have tried many things and clomid worked a little but only got me up to this level.....my script is for 100mg per week

    Today was my first injection. I did it myself at the doctors office in my thigh. As soon as i put it in my leg i almost felt it going throughout my leg. Other than that i felt ok. The nurse wanted to have me sit on the table for a while jsut to make sure i didnt have an allergic reaction or anything....well, once i got on the table i began feelin ery liht headed andpassed out......my leg is still bothering me now as well.

    Any idea why this happened? do you think its a reaction to the test or just hte whole situation? Thanks for any input
    Lololol just found your thread here. Im honest to god not loling at you. I did the same thing the second time i pinned. First time i was nervous and all went well aside from shaky hands. Second time i was like this is cake. Jabbed. Pushed 2mls. Pulled the pin. Heard a splash and something warm on my leg... blood everywhere! Down i went. It gets better.
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by superbeast668 View Post
    Lololol just found your thread here. Im honest to god not loling at you. I did the same thing the second time i pinned. First time i was nervous and all went well aside from shaky hands. Second time i was like this is cake. Jabbed. Pushed 2mls. Pulled the pin. Heard a splash and something warm on my leg... blood everywhere! Down i went. It gets better.
    thanks for the support!monday should be interesting.....do u think the fact that i had not eatin anythign played a factor, since i do IF style diet ?

  21. Quote Originally Posted by mkretz View Post
    thanks for the support!monday should be interesting.....do u think the fact that i had not eatin anythign played a factor, since i do IF style diet ?
    Yes and no. The only reason I say no is because if you get bloodtested they tell you to fast prior to that and you are still puncturing a needle into your arm...

    But for the yes side... at that point into your fast your are injecting a substance into yourself (not pulling something out like in donating blood) and your body is already on the sensitive side of things (insulin included) anyway so suddenly introducing something into your system when there really isn't much circulating to begin with is quite possibly a huge shock for it.

    Just my .02.
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  22. Mkretz, you should talk to that guy "The Matrix" he knows a lot about this type of thing.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by DJBeanPole

    Yes and no. The only reason I say no is because if you get bloodtested they tell you to fast prior to that and you are still puncturing a needle into your arm...

    But for the yes side... at that point into your fast your are injecting a substance into yourself (not pulling something out like in donating blood) and your body is already on the sensitive side of things (insulin included) anyway so suddenly introducing something into your system when there really isn't much circulating to begin with is quite possibly a huge shock for it.

    Just my .02.
    Agreed. Ive found it better to eat a little pre pin. Helps a little.
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  24. ill make srue i eat somethin this time....i actually used to work with the matrix, he had me on gel for a while

  25. Quote Originally Posted by mkretz View Post
    ill make srue i eat somethin this time....i actually used to work with the matrix, he had me on gel for a while
    how much gel per day did you take? and how much did it bring up your test?

  26. Quote Originally Posted by WARBIRDWS6 View Post
    how much gel per day did you take? and how much did it bring up your test?
    dont remember exactly, the max dose i think, got me in the 800s!

  27. Quote Originally Posted by mkretz View Post
    dont remember exactly, the max dose i think, got me in the 800s!
    oh c'mon man, don't do me like that LOL....my script says 75 count of 2.5G androgel 1% for 30 days....but they gave me 30 count, Fin aholes....I'm going back tomorrow to tell them they gypped me....and they better not make like I'm a liar, been going there steady for my coreg for 8 years so they should trust me. maybe they left the extra bag in the pickup area? not sure. but I guess I would be averaging 6.25G a day? that is why I wanted to know so I could gauge the effectiveness of that type dosage, ~7G....

  28. i was taking the pump and doin around 10 a day i believe in order to get my leels around like 880 i think

  29. Quote Originally Posted by mkretz
    i was taking the pump and doin around 10 a day i believe in order to get my leels around like 880 i think
    Just curious--whyd you decide not to work with matrix?

  30. Quote Originally Posted by lboston View Post
    Just curious--whyd you decide not to work with matrix?
    i actually worked wth him for a long time......he kinda just stopped answering me to tell you the truth, plus nothin was really getting better it seemed, i mean he made everythin sound great but there was always something mroe for me to buy and do and after liek a year it seemed liek nothing really had changed
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