Fighting my genetics with T3!(myths destroyed)

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  1. I feel your pain on bench I have never been able to bench 300 off cycle........ Someday though, someday.

    Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    UPDATE:

    Feeling great after meals still.As if I'm using the energy rather than going to sleep haha.This will deff be an addon to my next cycles.
    I also hit a PR today.(nothing much to do with t3 mind you) 295 on bench.Damn these long arms!I want 300 so close
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  2. Good to hear Pyro
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  3. Coming off of t3 today.I got blood work coming in about a month(before my next cycle)My thyroid was normal last blood work which was june after my last cycle.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt
    Coming off of t3 today.I got blood work coming in about a month(before my next cycle)My thyroid was normal last blood work which was june after my last cycle.
    That's good, so u know the T3 isn't negatively affecting it.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Stri8ed

    That's good, so u know the T3 isn't negatively affecting it.
    Was impressed with my blood work last pct using ostra rx in pct so I figure I would make sure on this aswell
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    Was impressed with my blood work last pct using ostra rx in pct so I figure I would make sure on this aswell
    How long where you on T3 this time?
    Is Ostra RX something you recommend taking after being on low dose T3? Or was that in reference to PH/DS cycle?
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  7. Quote Originally Posted by daniel11

    How long where you on T3 this time?
    Is Ostra RX something you recommend taking after being on low dose T3? Or was that in reference to PH/DS cycle?
    Ph CYcle and my pre cycle test levels were 900 some and after pct with ostra allmost 800. That's some amazing recovery while using an Anabolic
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    Coming off of t3 today.I got blood work coming in about a month(before my next cycle)My thyroid was normal last blood work which was june after my last cycle.
    What all did you have tested in regards to checking thyroid levels?
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  9. Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast

    What all did you have tested in regards to checking thyroid levels?
    It was a full hormone pannel. Including thyroid function
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    It was a full hormone pannel. Including thyroid function
    I was just curious, because generally, it's just TSH that's checked (which is a good indicator for something like this, but fails to look at some other important information that is definitely needed in cases when the thyroid is being specifically checked out).

    I'd be curious to see what total and free T4 and T3 are, along with the TSH.
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast

    I was just curious, because generally, it's just TSH that's checked (which is a good indicator for something like this, but fails to look at some other important information that is definitely needed in cases when the thyroid is being specifically checked out).

    I'd be curious to see what total and free T4 and T3 are, along with the TSH.
    I have a medical condition that will kill me eventually so yay free extensive blood work!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    I have a medical condition that will kill me eventually so yay free extensive blood work!
    Yikes, sorry to hear that, bud. Mine hopefully won't kill me; just made me fat lol. But yeah, I got TONS of blood work done, so I feel you on that.
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  13. MWB: Is hypothyroidism that complicated whereby adding T3 wont correct / put you in normal levels?
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by Whacked
    MWB: Is hypothyroidism that complicated whereby adding T3 wont correct / put you in normal levels?
    Hyopthyroidism means under active or shut down thyroid it is treated with t3 and sometimes t4 and will have to be treated for the rest of his/her life but the body has a funny way of reading hormones. Our hormones fluctuate so the body will adjust to one dosage if on it for so long just like trt . Patients will have to have readjustments every so often.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    MWB: Is hypothyroidism that complicated whereby adding T3 wont correct / put you in normal levels?
    General hypothyroidism isn't that difficult to correct. The hardest part is pin-pointing what caused or is causing the issue, because generally, it's something else that's causing it and thus, the more important issue to correct.

    In my case, it's Hashimoto's (which 90% of the hypothyroidism cases are here in the US). For whatever reason, with that knowledge, doctors are still oblivious and fail to check antibodies. The GP never checked mine, the first endo I went to didn't (even though I requested them and he said he would; they were never on my labs). And finally, in November, I got the confirmation of this...nearly a year later.

    But with Hashimoto's, you have to try to figure out why your body is attacking its own thyroid (I have a thread on Hashimoto's on here with some posts that explain it a little more in depth). The treatment is still the same -- exogenous thyroid medication -- but it doesn't address the fact of the high antibody levels, which some doctors claim means even though thyroid numbers (TSH, T3, FT4) look fine, it doesn't make a difference.
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  16. Thanks buddy

    You lost me here......

    Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast View Post
    But with Hashimoto's The treatment is still the same -- exogenous thyroid medication -- but it doesn't address the fact of the high antibody levels, which some doctors claim means even though thyroid numbers (TSH, T3, FT4) look fine, it doesn't make a difference.
    SO regardless, T3 would help both conditions right? If so, what's the problem? Forgive me, I am trying to learn somethign here b/c my sister is hypo and although on T3 for 20 years, she gets heavier every freaking year! HEr Endo is well-respected too WTH
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Thanks buddy

    You lost me here......



    SO regardless, T3 would help both conditions right? If so, what's the problem? Forgive me, I am trying to learn somethign here b/c my sister is hypo and although on T3 for 20 years, she gets heavier every freaking year! HEr Endo is well-respected too WTH
    Hashimoto's, in particular, isn't very well understood or agreed upon in the medical community. The more you dig, the more you'll find a lot of differing opinions. Most of the success seems to come from doctors who approach from an alternative method (a lot seem to be chiropractors, oddly enough). You'll see a lot of articles actually address that Hashimoto's isn't well understood or treated.

    Basically, if the thyroid antibodies are high (which signifies that the body is still attacking its own thyroid), then the condition doesn't improve. Lab numbers may improve, but symptoms and how one feels do not. That's where one of the biggest discrepancies lies; doctors look at labs and then wash their hands of patients because let's face it, blood work doesn't lie, right? Well half of the problem is they never test as much as they need to (I swear, the use of just TSH drives me nuts and is incredibly ignorant). But ultimately, it's doctors choosing to treat with medication instead of correcting the actual problem. If you reference the Hashimoto's thread, I put up a screen cap of a number of different causes for the autoimmune trigger. Pin-pointing which of those things is the problem and then correcting it, can essentially reset the whole problem and remove any need for taking thyroid hormone.

    Does your sister have Hashimoto's? And if not, has she at least had TPO-Ab and Tg-Ab both tested to confirm that? Like I said, it changes the whole approach. Again, that's something most doctors seem to overlook. Hypothyroidism can result from a LOT of things and they all need to be approached differently.
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  18. Ahhhh very well-explained. Thanks!

    Not sure what sis has; they simply told her she was hypo and to take T3 lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Ahhhh very well-explained. Thanks!

    Not sure what sis has; they simply told her she was hypo and to take T3 lol
    Sounds like just about every doctor, with the lack of explanation. If you're close with her, ask her if she has Hashimoto's or if she's ever had the two antibodies checked that I listed. If she hasn't, have her request them, as it can make the issue completely different.

    Also, doctors are usually VERY hesitant to prescribe T3, as T4 is what your body produces and has the most of (converting a small portion to T3).
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  20. Just did

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  21. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    Coming off of t3 today.I got blood work coming in about a month(before my next cycle)My thyroid was normal last blood work which was june after my last cycle.
    So Pyro, you were on 25-30mcgs of T3 for about 20 days, do you feel this was a sufficient dose and length of 'cycle'? Neg's? Positives? If nothing else this thread has served as a hot bed of information and outing of half-truths and fallacies on the subject, which has been great, but I would appreciate a closing statement summing up your experience and maybe future endeavors.

    Much thanks.
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  22. Quote Originally Posted by rambofireball

    So Pyro, you were on 25-30mcgs of T3 for about 20 days, do you feel this was a sufficient dose and length of 'cycle'? Neg's? Positives? If nothing else this thread has served as a hot bed of information and outing of half-truths and fallacies on the subject, which has been great, but I would appreciate a closing statement summing up your experience and maybe future endeavors.

    Much thanks.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    A calorie negative slows thyroid function down. As long as you are responsable I dont see why it would hurt. It will cirtanly rid you of the need of a refeed or cheat day to normalize t3
    This is interesting.

    Have you had any problems w sleep? I have enough problems trying to sleep. Would consider but that's why I have no interest in clen. Heard lots of bros say clen makes it hard for them to sleep.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    Was gonna this weekend cause of the merger at work. So busy. Clawing my way to a new spot in the new company. More studys to be linked this weekend aswell.
    No worries man, good luck with the money-makin'!
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  25. Question. I have moderate hypothyroidism and i am prescribed .137 mgs of t4. Could i implement a low dose t3? Or would that be stupid? Cant ask my endo because she is way too strict.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by Johnnyboy004

    This is interesting.

    Have you had any problems w sleep? I have enough problems trying to sleep. Would consider but that's why I have no interest in clen. Heard lots of bros say clen makes it hard for them to sleep.
    These bro's are correct to the stim sensitive but to the average coffee drinker it shouldn't. Just take a sleep aid product if need be. Gaba has benzo like effects if you dose it accordingly . Not too high or your have a gabaover. Hangover induced by too much gaba. Trazodone is easy to obtain from a doc aswell dose not mess with muscle building either. Then you have ketofien which can also be used as a sleep aid and a beta upregulator. T3 has not changed my sleep. I am starting to not like clen due to rebound on short cycles. Next cut will just be diet t3 and a winny clone.
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  27. Quote Originally Posted by rambofireball

    No worries man, good luck with the money-makin'!
    Thanks! To answer your question real quick yes 20 days is enough cause t3 kicks in the first or second day. I got the info I needed from trying it but would like to discuss my future endeavours when I get the blood work back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seanxallxday View Post
    Question. I have moderate hypothyroidism and i am prescribed .137 mgs of t4. Could i implement a low dose t3? Or would that be stupid? Cant ask my endo because she is way too strict.
    Step one: find a new doctor. Seriously. I wouldn't see someone who wouldn't work with me or at least appreciate what research I do. If he says no, I'm okay with it, but only if he has a reason that makes sense.

    Adding T3 in at a low dose can help (I'm actually on 25mcg T3 and 137mcg T4, so it wouldn't be far off from yours), but I'd want to see labs and know why you want the T3. Do you have Hashimoto's? More importantly, have you confirmed it one way or the other by having TPO-Ab and Tg-Ab checked? If not, that's your first step. Then, comparing that with your TSH, FT4, TT4, FT3, rT3 would be what I'd want to know when considering the addition of T3.
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  29. Quote Originally Posted by MidwestBeast

    Step one: find a new doctor. Seriously. I wouldn't see someone who wouldn't work with me or at least appreciate what research I do. If he says no, I'm okay with it, but only if he has a reason that makes sense.

    Adding T3 in at a low dose can help (I'm actually on 25mcg T3 and 137mcg T4, so it wouldn't be far off from yours), but I'd want to see labs and know why you want the T3. Do you have Hashimoto's? More importantly, have you confirmed it one way or the other by having TPO-Ab and Tg-Ab checked? If not, that's your first step. Then, comparing that with your TSH, FT4, TT4, FT3, rT3 would be what I'd want to know when considering the addition of T3.
    You and i need to team up and make an info thread for hypo hashimotos and hyperthyroidism regaurding the doseages symptoms and how to manage the doctor run around and reading bloodwork. I have a bud who has hypo I just found out and his doctor is giving him some bad info. Ill pm you later to ask some questions if you don't mind.
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by pyrobatt View Post
    You and i need to team up and make an info thread for hypo hashimotos and hyperthyroidism regaurding the doseages symptoms and how to manage the doctor run around and reading bloodwork.
    2nd that.
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