Anyone ever suffered serious liver damage?

[thyrod]

Liver ****ed = life ****ed. It's some scary ahit Cus it could be in moderation and you could still mess it up. It's not unlikely to happen.
"get bloods done before/mid/end cycle.

[T-Bone]

In all accounts I've ever read on any forums, no one has ever expressed having suffered serious liver damage from orals.

I'm a little concerned as the past few days my **** has turned a very pale color and I tend to get extremely nauseated after eating high fat meals.

Been running Ultradrol 20mg ed and this is day 30. Been running TUDCA for the past 3 days and thats when new symptoms started. I had planned on continuing the cycle through week 6 but I'm a little concerned.

You must have not read much. Just google "Superdrol liver damage".

[T-Bone]

I had an issue stemming from it. I ended up getting abscesses all over my body in areas pimples would occur and turn into abscess cus my immune function was shot.

This is what happened. I had to go to the ER and Have surgery on a perianal abscess that grew from a pimple on my taint to the size of a racket ball in 24 hours time and was painful as hell. This is where it started. For a couple weeks following I had to have my gf that was thankfully going to nursing school stuff the hole that was left with saline soaked gauze twice a day and clean it till it slowly healed from the inside out and I continued to get these horrible abscesses that were less severe but equally as painful. They were like gigantic zits. You wouldnt believe what came out of these things. It was an experience that will forever jade me and keep me from messing with orals.

These kinda things are rare in sure as everyone's body responds different. Mine responded as if I was being poisoned. Mind you , up until the problem I had no symptoms and my gains were great.

Damn Thank God for your girlfriend then. Any girl that would do that for you is a keeper in my book!

[T-Bone]

yeah if you think you are having liver problems a doc is a must. serms are hepatoxic too. so if you are truly having liver problems just stopping isnt going to necessarily help your liver. get liv values then make an informed decision.

True. You have to ask yourself what is more important, keeping the gains or staying healthy/getting better?.

[BadSeed]

Honestly makes me wonder why people mess with orals to begin with...legality issues aside.

[BadSeed]

You must have not read much. Just google "Superdrol liver damage".

Most of the stories I found via Google were from 2005-06 with a more recent one at the beginning of 09. None of the stories/studies I found indicated use of support supps during cycle. It seemed in 05-06 people were relatively ignorant in regards to how toxic these compounds were.

I guess the false sense of security comes from the impression that support supps seem to have come into focus in the past 2-3 years (with the exception of Milk Thistle, which seems to be documented a long way back) - giving the impression that new technology has arrived to helped negate toxicity. TUDCA and UDCA seem to have emerged in the past year or so. I, for one, assumed that the toxicity of these compounds was overstated and, with a proper support protocol, could be avoided altogether. A piss poor assumption, I'm sure, but the labs will tell the story.

[mikeg313]

Damn that sounds like a living nightmare, glad u bounced bak aright. So I assume u only run aas or are you completely off the stuff?

That's the last cycle I did before my test e cycle this past winter. I had a heart attack during that cycle but it was from stress not the test. Just a freak occurance

[mikeg313]

Damn Thank God for your girlfriend then. Any girl that would do that for you is a keeper in my book!

Yes she was and i loved and adored her but being a dumb horny guy I cheated on her after a dumb fight with a stupid stripper that used to date a buddy. She was hot as **** but horrible in bed and called me daddy oh daddy the whole time. I remember thinking this sucks and had to think about fuking my gf to bust a nut. I felt like such an idiot but kept it hidden for awhile until she found an old email from this chick with a tit an spread vag pics. If you do a Filipina wrong shell never forgive you. My wife now is a Filipina and I'd never cheat.. Luckily she likes girls too;-)

[mikeg313]

Most of the stories I found via Google were from 2005-06 with a more recent one at the beginning of 09. None of the stories/studies I found indicated use of support supps during cycle. It seemed in 05-06 people were relatively ignorant in regards to how toxic these compounds were.

I guess the false sense of security comes from the impression that support supps seem to have come into focus in the past 2-3 years (with the exception of Milk Thistle, which seems to be documented a long way back) - giving the impression that new technology has arrived to helped negate toxicity. TUDCA and UDCA seem to have emerged in the past year or so. I, for one, assumed that the toxicity of these compounds was overstated and, with a proper support protocol, could be avoided altogether. A piss poor assumption, I'm sure, but the labs will tell the story.

Same time my incident happened 05-06 back when i was on the 1fast400 bulk nutrition forums. it was right after M1T got banned and everyone was hyped on SD. Lots of us (bouncers i worked with) got the "M1T flu " the first time around and we weren't really running proper cycles with m1t

[Mako3]

I had a friend who was experiencing the same issues, are your eyes turning yellowish around the pupil? He was honest with his Doc who advised him lay off orals and to fast for a month drinking nothing but carrot juice among other juices and green tea, finishing the fast the last week with some potent cleanser similar to herbasway herbal concentrates daily detox liver enhancer.

[WARBIRDWS6]

Most of the stories I found via Google were from 2005-06 with a more recent one at the beginning of 09. None of the stories/studies I found indicated use of support supps during cycle. It seemed in 05-06 people were relatively ignorant in regards to how toxic these compounds were.

I guess the false sense of security comes from the impression that support supps seem to have come into focus in the past 2-3 years (with the exception of Milk Thistle, which seems to be documented a long way back) - giving the impression that new technology has arrived to helped negate toxicity. TUDCA and UDCA seem to have emerged in the past year or so. I, for one, assumed that the toxicity of these compounds was overstated and, with a proper support protocol, could be avoided altogether. A piss poor assumption, I'm sure, but the labs will tell the story.

nobody did PCT or any support really back in the day for PH's and the like.....depending how far back you go the same can be said for AAS as well.....much of this PCT/support supps stuff is quite recent....

[WARBIRDWS6]

I had a friend who was experiencing the same issues, are your eyes turning yellowish around the pupil? He was honest with his Doc who advised him lay off orals and to fast for a month drinking nothing but carrot juice among other juices and green tea, finishing the fast the last week with some potent cleanser similar to herbasway herbal concentrates daily detox liver enhancer.

What?.....I couldn't hear you, apparently you were yelling too loud?

[csa2179]

nobody did PCT or any support really back in the day for PH's and the like.....depending how far back you go the same can be said for AAS as well.....much of this PCT/support supps stuff is quite recent....

i got a pct you can do.

[aceroni]

I actually had a friend, who ran a few PH back in the day. He got his bloods done and checked out i guess his liver was just one step short of failing. luckily for him he had a very helpful family doctor-- but most ppl arnt so lucky..

[AaronJP1]

I actually had a friend, who ran a few PH back in the day. He got his bloods done and checked out i guess his liver was just one step short of failing. luckily for him he had a very helpful family doctor-- but most ppl arnt so lucky..

Checked out as in passed away?

[mikeg313]

Checked out as in passed away?

As in looked into I'm sure. Ebonics Was not used in this message ;-)

[AaronJP1]

As in looked into I'm sure. Ebonics Was not used in this message ;-)

[Flexappeal]

Are we talking about strictly methylated compounds only?

[mikeg313]

Hehehe ! :-)

[T-Bone]

It is really funny how people like to perpetuate the myth that "support sups" will protect them and prevent any liver damage.