Short cycles, some thoughts
- 10-30-2004, 12:52 AM
- 10-30-2004, 02:41 AM
- 10-30-2004, 11:22 AM
10-31-2004, 03:51 PM
Where can I read more about the differences among base, prop, etc? I'm getting them mixed up...Originally Posted by size
10-31-2004, 04:04 PM
Read about esters. "Base" is simply the hormone without an ester attached.Originally Posted by blown_stang
These are estimates to account for ester weight.
suspension(base) : 100%
Propionate : 79%
Phenylpropionate : 66%
Isocaproate : 71%
enanthate : 69%
Cypionate : 67%
Undecanoate : 61%
10-31-2004, 04:26 PM
Day 2 of the bold prop. only 1/2cc (50mg) each day. Pretty sore, but no worse than a prop/tren mix. And I have a slight touch of prop flu today, but I haven't gotten enough rest, so that could be it as well.
11-01-2004, 01:28 AM
11-01-2004, 02:04 AM
11-10-2004, 12:05 AM
OK, I'm having trouble telling if this is base, prop, etc. It's all in Spanish. Fort Dodge brand eq, 50mg/ml. :-/Originally Posted by size
11-10-2004, 12:32 AM
11-10-2004, 12:45 AM
As it turns out, there's only ~6.5wks worth is available to me. Will this be a waste of time? Should I just wait until more is available? Would be stacked w/ test prop most likely. Is a 6wk test enanthate / eq cycle worth doing?Originally Posted by size
Edit: Also, any idea about British Dragon eq?
Last edited by blown_stang; 11-10-2004 at 01:11 AM.
11-10-2004, 02:51 AM
You have to decide if it is worth your time, money, and body. This entire thread is about short cycles and using the drugs that will have the best advantage over the course of a short period of time. So do you think test enanthate is a good idea?Originally Posted by blown_stang
British Dragon products are good.
11-12-2004, 01:43 PM
Pretty sweet there jminis. Long cycles definately aren't for everyone and in particular I could see them being an issue with the older guys.
To avoid the mid cycle stall, I am running my current cycle in two phases... I put on almost 40lbs in the first five weeks with about 15lbs fat gain, and switched gears when the tren e fully kicked in. Now at just over 7 weeks in I've shed the 15lbs of fat that I picked up while on dbol, and I have another 4 weeks or so of tren to cut on before I have to normalize my diet in preparation for pct. Rock hard and vascular 265 here I come
I can't stress the important of swale's hcg protocol enough btw, the boys are running at full size at this point. We'll see how the recovery is - I've got my fingers crossed.
11-12-2004, 01:51 PM
Damn bro that's a lot of weight to put on. Good luck with the rest of your cycle and keep us informed on how everything goes. And yes swales protocol for longer cycles is important and keep the nutz happy.Originally Posted by exnihilo
11-18-2004, 08:42 PM
Generally speaking, how long of a cycle would warrant the use of HCG? In almost all of the "sample cycles" I see clomid + nolva only. But some articles I read say that HCG is a "necessary part of any cycle".
11-18-2004, 10:00 PM
Not every cycle. You could and it def wouldn't hurt but anything under 6 weeks I think your fine without it. Even 8 I think would be cool but you'd be pushin it and it would depend on what your running. Things like deca, tren, m1t, ect... in a 8 weeker and I would run HCG. It's cheap and makes recovery easier.Originally Posted by blown_stang
11-18-2004, 10:12 PM
I see. This would be test+eq for approx. 8wks, with dbol for the first 3-4wks. We'll look at HCG.Originally Posted by jminis
01-08-2005, 03:36 AM
01-08-2005, 03:45 AM
i'm intend to try it for myself this summer, testsusp100mg for 40 days along with superdrol at 20mg.
01-08-2005, 10:11 AM
Gained 10, kept 8. That was with the bold prop making me too sick to eat properly. Already did my PCT, and started back up.
Suspension + prop/tren + dbol + 4OHT Cyp (AI properties)
NPP + Winny or Oral Turinabol
01-08-2005, 01:29 PM
It is unfortunate that bold prop seems to have such nasty effects. It it such a tempting drug.Originally Posted by N4cer
01-08-2005, 01:39 PM
don't mean to butt into ya'lls conversation, but bold prop didn't do any damage to me. no bad side effects. guess it depends on the person.Originally Posted by size
01-08-2005, 01:44 PM
I think the big issue was pain at the injection site. Beelze did you not experience any? I know most said the pain was ridiculousOriginally Posted by Beelzebub
01-08-2005, 01:48 PM
nah, i was doing 86mg ed injects and after a couple days, there was no pain anymore. ran it for a little over 9 weeks. it was mixed with testprop100 and trenace50, not sure if that had an effect on it or not.
01-08-2005, 03:21 PM
01-08-2005, 03:27 PM
01-08-2005, 04:07 PM
You are lucky most haven't had success with it. I know a few UG's stopped carrying it because no one could stand the ****. Either way your a lucky SOB. take care JOriginally Posted by Beelzebub
01-08-2005, 10:59 PM
Bold prop seems to be disliked by most, but what about bold acetate? Anyone tried it in short cycles?
03-19-2005, 06:58 PM
Jminis I would like ur opinion on this...what do u think about a 5-6 weeker using transdermal test base and tren base...not quite sure yet on the dosages but this sounds interesting and I like this idea better than longer cycles.
03-19-2005, 07:25 PM
This combo will work well. I would aim for 75-100mg of test daily and 35-60mg tren daily.Originally Posted by Manu20
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