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    Alert – Lab test confirms Need to Build Muscle’s Monsterdrol tests bad





    This company has been very pro-active on the boards as of late and this newest product addition Monsterdrol-XT is the main reason I decided to go ahead and have their product line tested to be sure that this stuff is legit. Personally, I don’t care for clone companies like ****, but it is so common now in the industry that I have learned to accept it, but for a company to deliberately sell product that is under dosed, contaminated and missing the active ingredients listed on the label is downright wrong.

    By the test results posted Monsterdrol-XT does not contain any of the 3 compounds listed on the label, not even in trace amounts. It does, however, contain:

    3 unidentified compounds which specifically have been ruled out as being a match to anything listed on the label:



    ****0.5mg caffeine [not listed on the label]

    ****0.5mg (trace amount) of DHEA [not listed on the label]

    ****0.5mg (trace amount) of 2α,17α-Dimethyletiocholan-3-one, 17β-ol - (superdrol) [not listed on the label]

    ****AND LEAD in high enough amounts to be of concern, oh and also [not listed on the label]




    So with these findings, I have a few questions that I am sure members also want answers to:

    Did they know the product tested bad? Is that why **** ran a buy one get one free special to liquidate stock?

    Why has there has been rumors that they will no longer be carrying it now? Can they even get the correct compound?

    I find it really strange that a company would go through so much effort to promote their new product and before it is even on the market a few months pull it with no reason given to the public.

    Will **** be issuing refunds to all the customers who purchased Monsterdrol?

    How is it that these guys in the Monsterdrol logs are gaining and feeling anything from their cycle?

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    “IM UP 14 SOLID POUNDS TODAY MAN THIS STUFF IS GREAT IVE BEEN ON IT NOW FOR 3 WEEKS I HAVE A LITTLE OVER A WEEK LEFT IM HOPING TO ADD ANOTHER 4LBS”

    He is reporting such high gains for a product that we know from the test results has at best 1.5mg superdrol if he is taking 3 caps a day. He also has a September join date and no other relative posting

    Monsterdrol-XT(BULK)




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    “168.5, im rounding down actually!(+12lbs)”

    It is funny how he starts off with no effects from the compound which would be expected considering the findings and then all of a sudden reecew steps on the scale after an off day and has gained 5 pounds and loving the compound ever since.

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    “Weight: Start = 163.5............ 173.3. (+9.8lbs) hell yes!!”

    This log looks really impressive because of the thumbs up, 9 pages and 253 threads, but if you look closely you will see the same 4-5 guys posting pages of dialog back and forth over and over and over again and oh yeah, the main guys are the above mentioned loggers and **** reps only.

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    then it must be a pretty strong placebo my friend! and im pretty sure none of us are reps; and im pretty sure these compounds are being pulled off the market for federal pressure that may soon ensue if another production run were to take place; but i am interested to see where this goes
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    the funny thing is the "un known compounds" well that would make sense being that there is no standard to test 2-cyano pheraplex against to tell what it is. One would have to guess off of the molecular weight what it possibly could be.

    id be curious to see how they came up with a standard to compare the compound too.

    but that would still leave similar un known compounds as a possibility that have similar molecular weight.

    this lab test is worthless without someone who is knowledgeable enough about m.w.'s of compounds to speculate if the m.w. is close to what 2-cyano pheraplex could be.


    well, i'll have to take that back, it does show that the supplier of this product has some explaining to do, as there are trace amounts of other stuff that shouldn't be in there.


    I'll wait for the results from patrick arnold before I jump to any conclusions. I know henryv is having pa test some samples for him.
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    Well I got nothing out of it, had it tested and there you go. But I guess good luck with your lead and superdrol/placebo. In fact I had it tested in my personal lab and had it sent to this one and the same things were found but results speak for themselves.
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    I have been on this DS for almost 4 weeks now and have gained 10lbs, looks to be lean as well.. I dont think DHEA or less than .25mg of SD can produce those type of gains IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    the funny thing is the "un known compounds" well that would make sense being that there is no standard to test 2-cyano pheraplex against to tell what it is. One would have to guess off of the molecular weight what it possibly could be.

    id be curious to see how they came up with a standard to compare the compound too.

    but that would still leave similar un known compounds as a possibility that have similar molecular weight.

    this lab test is worthless without someone who is knowledgeable enough about m.w.'s of compounds to speculate if the m.w. is close to what 2-cyano pheraplex could be.


    well, i'll have to take that back, it does show that the supplier of this product has some explaining to do, as there are trace amounts of other stuff that shouldn't be in there.

    This^^^^
    very true.
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    I'll wait for the results from patrick arnold before I jump to any conclusions. I know henryv is having pa test some samples for him.
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    Interesting.


    waiting....
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    Quote Originally Posted by mitbar View Post
    so are you natalie the wife of the owner of IBE? That is who had them sent and this exact lab called me and told me you had sent them in. You bought it on 11/8 and had it shipped directly to the lab to be tested via your UPS account overnight? Is that what your saying? please elaborate cause i have all the details of the order sitting right in front of me.
    op seems fishy huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mitbar View Post
    so are you natalie the wife of the owner of IBE? That is who had them sent and this exact lab called me and told me you had sent them in. You bought it on 11/8 and had it shipped directly to the lab to be tested via your UPS account overnight? Is that what your saying? please elaborate cause i have all the details of the order sitting right in front of me.
    What does it matter, does it change the results of the lab test?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mitbar View Post
    so are you natalie the wife of the owner of IBE? That is who had them sent and this exact lab called me and told me you had sent them in. You bought it on 11/8 and had it shipped directly to the lab to be tested via your UPS account overnight? Is that what your saying? please elaborate cause i have all the details of the order sitting right in front of me.
    hmm, interesting. I'd ask the lab for my money back.

    sounds like a reliable testing facility, calling up the wrong person with results and all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twistid View Post
    What does it matter, does it change the results of the lab test?
    That lab test does not prove anything..
    You would know that if you read JBs post.
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    OP, you do realize this is not a **** product?
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    Quote Originally Posted by twistid View Post
    What does it matter, does it change the results of the lab test?
    no, but not having a standard to test 2-cyano-dmt against does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BarbellBeast View Post
    OP, you do realize this is not a **** product?
    I dont think he realizes the company that sells this product isn't a sponsor here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    the funny thing is the "un known compounds" well that would make sense being that there is no standard to test 2-cyano pheraplex against to tell what it is. One would have to guess off of the molecular weight what it possibly could be.

    id be curious to see how they came up with a standard to compare the compound too.

    but that would still leave similar un known compounds as a possibility that have similar molecular weight.

    this lab test is worthless without someone who is knowledgeable enough about m.w.'s of compounds to speculate if the m.w. is close to what 2-cyano pheraplex could be.


    well, i'll have to take that back, it does show that the supplier of this product has some explaining to do, as there are trace amounts of other stuff that shouldn't be in there.


    I'll wait for the results from patrick arnold before I jump to any conclusions. I know henryv is having pa test some samples for him.
    Not sure what you are saying here... Molecular weight is determined from the structure of the compound. Why would they have to test against something? This company uses analytical lab equipment which any trained chemist could blindly asses a chemical structure. Am I misunderstanding your statement?

    I am not taking sides here this sounds strange from both sides of the story.
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    I love how this thread involves the Needtobuildmuscle supplement company when...

    ********************** does not sell MDXT

    You went through all this trouble, got these labs done, acting like a smart guy that you are and you didn't even figure out Needtobuildmuscle does not sell MDXT? Wow. Epic fail right there.

    You can post whatever you'd like about MDXT I don't care but nice try trying to call out the Needtobuilsmuscle supplement company when this product is from a completely other company.

    You do realize the product you speak of comes from a completely different company... right? Cuz if you can't figure that out... How credible do you look?

    Oh God... this is like me going to get Trenavar (IBE product) tested and then going to Primordial Performance saying PP you guys dropped the ball. LMAO wtf...
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    lab tests- worthless- until you have a standard to measure 2 cyano pheraphelx against this means nothing-at all


    people are making mad gains on it- and their either lying their ass off or the product works


    I think u sir are trying to undermine a company

    JMO

    because i think you would have known there isnt a standard to test 2 cyanopherphelx before you overnighted it to a lab lol-duh
    anyone with half a mind can tell this is bs
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    Quote Originally Posted by chocolatemilk View Post
    ********************** does not sell MDXT
    "Monsterdrol xt - From the great minds of needto, orbit and our very own russianstar"

    your store may not sell it but nate chase (****;s owner) helped create it..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grey Warden View Post
    "Monsterdrol xt - From the great minds of needto, orbit and our very own russianstar"

    your store may not sell it but nate chase (****;s owner) helped create it..
    still i dont give a rats ass who made it, im not a rep for needto or for anyone dammit, this is plain stupid why?! Because there is NO STANDARD to test 2cyanopherphlex against- therefore you cannt use this as a basis to totally discredit the product- NOT ENOUGH INFO!
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    Are the product testing procedures (or lack there of) that are practiced by RLS the same practices used by ****, Mr. Supps, and Muscle Research?

    I could care less about the product itself, but lead is serious (surely no one is questioning the labs ability to identify this).
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    Ok well if RLS did sell some bunk product to me and lots of other members on AM? What would be their motive? A few quick dollars?

    As a company that would not be a smart move because no one will ever buy from you again and you'd probably end up getting sued. If it is bunk i feel bad for all the people that bought it especially the guys in the armed forces trying to get the edge over the enemy and taking nothing but a placebo.

    But it is a little weird that they introduce it, sell it at BOGO free and then have no plans to ever have it again. If its a solid product why not run it again at the same price they sold out in days.

    As far as the logs go i guess it is possible to have insiders make profiles and log false information but that seems like a lot of work for a few dollars. This is the gift and the curse of the supplement industry you can make anything, call it anything and put any ingredients on the label. But the only way you can have a reputable business in today's world is by having quality products.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigNasty View Post
    Are the product testing procedures (or lack there of) that are practiced by RLS the same practices used by ****, Mr. Supps, and Muscle Research?

    I could care less about the product itself, but lead is serious (surely no one is questioning the labs ability to identify this).
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    One of the logs is a video log -- there's no way that's being faked. The insinuation that the logs are fake is insulting to the people busting their asses running the logs... I'm sure the loggers will make their voices heard. BTW OP you forgot this log
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle...ml#post2652406
    Obviously another fake poster going to say good things cuz he's getting paid and there's a conspiracy.

    There's a half dozen people i've seen on these forums making terrific gains off of the monsterdrol that are completely at odds with it being trace amounts of caffeine, lead and SD.

    .5mg of sd isn't going to make anyone gain 10 pounds

    I have 2 bottles and i still can't wait to run them.
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    Thanks for posting up the lab test.
    Will stay away from that brand in the future.

    Lead is GREAT for bulking I hear..
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    How do we know what the lab even got was actually MDXT?

    If was and this test is accurate. It does not prove that it isnt phera and cyano, as stated. It does, however, raise serious concern over the lead content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sluggy View Post
    Thanks for posting up the lab test.
    Will stay away from that brand in the future.

    Lead is GREAT for bulking I hear..
    Why dont we hold that thought a minute and see what comes from this is the coming days before making any rash decisions
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    the funny thing is the "un known compounds" well that would make sense being that there is no standard to test 2-cyano pheraplex against to tell what it is. One would have to guess off of the molecular weight what it possibly could be.

    I'll wait for the results from patrick arnold before I jump to any conclusions. I know henryv is having pa test some samples for him.
    I haven't even received the bottles yet.
    Note that RTP list the MW of 2-cyano-phera (as 313) and none of the compounds detected match.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbryand101b View Post
    the funny thing is the "un known compounds" well that would make sense being that there is no standard to test 2-cyano pheraplex against to tell what it is. One would have to guess off of the molecular weight what it possibly could be.

    id be curious to see how they came up with a standard to compare the compound too.

    but that would still leave similar un known compounds as a possibility that have similar molecular weight.

    this lab test is worthless without someone who is knowledgeable enough about m.w.'s of compounds to speculate if the m.w. is close to what 2-cyano pheraplex could be.
    doesn't take any knowledge to figure out what the molecular weight of a compound is. You add up the atoms

    Its a possibility that the active compound did not elute from the column which would mean it is in there but RTP just didnt see it. That would mean that all he picked up was the impurities in the stuff (which apparently is substantial meaning the stuff was not the cleanest in the world)

    One would need a standard to answer these questions yes
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    In lieu of a standard, one could probably do an infrared spectroscopy analysis on the extract. since the cyano group is conjugated to a double bond you should get a pretty good peak around 2260 (i think that is the region). If its absent then its doubtful the active is in there. If its present then its pretty sure it is in there
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    Quote Originally Posted by sluggy View Post

    Lead is GREAT for bulking I hear..
    your drinking water has detectable amounts of lead in it. did you know that?

    so tell me, is the dose in the capsule below the safe threshold or above it? did you considered that question before you (and the other guys) acted like chicken little?

    I dont know the answer myself cuz i have not looked it up. But i know better than to jump up and down with fear without checking the facts first
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    WTF I just called this lab and they have no standard of how their supplements come to test...

    I can buy a bottle of something, open it, uncap it, add my own mixture in there, and send them 10 caps in the bottle and say this is the stuff test it for me...

    Yea I wouldn't trust some random posters confidential lab results lol. If someone credible had done the test I would trust them more not to tamper with the pills...

    We are all really going to trust some random person with this... yea...
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    "The sample was received in a sealed bottle and in good condition"
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    Quote Originally Posted by chocolatemilk View Post
    WTF I just called this lab and they have no standard of how their supplements come to test...

    I can buy a bottle of something, open it, uncap it, add my own mixture in there, and send them 10 caps in the bottle and say this is the stuff test it for me...

    Yea I wouldn't trust some random posters confidential lab results lol. If someone credible had done the test I would trust them more not to tamper with the pills...

    We are all really going to trust some random person with this... yea...


    the product did not have the proper chain of custody. the lab must buy it directly from an independent supplier

    unless its me testing it. cuz you know i wouldnt lie lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Arnold View Post
    your drinking water has detectable amounts of lead in it. did you know that?

    so tell me, is the dose in the capsule below the safe threshold or above it? did you considered that question before you (and the other guys) acted like chicken little?

    I dont know the answer myself cuz i have not looked it up. But i know better than to jump up and down with fear without checking the facts first
    I did look that up--"there is no accepted "safe" threshold--that is, there is no amount of lead that is too small to cause the body harm. "

    I will say this, and then I'm not posting here again, that I would like to see more than just one "random" study on this. If you can provide 3-4 different tests from different labs, then maybe it will be more believable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by henryv View Post
    "The sample was received in a sealed bottle and in good condition"

    but not from an independent and random retailer

    details details....
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    Quote Originally Posted by henryv View Post
    "The sample was received in a sealed bottle and in good condition"
    The man I spoke with said I can send it in...
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