methyl dien results?
- 05-02-2004, 08:34 PM
methyl dien results?
Designer supp's mdien. I've been on 6mg, for 6th day. Haven't noticed much in the way of weight/strength increases yet. Anyone else have any results show through yet? Should I up the dosage?
I read some cycle logs (I think on other sites) and no one wanted to JUST do mdien, they all stacked it with some other PH/steroid.
Lemme know guys, everyone who "pre-ordered" should have theirs now, I know a lot of you guys are using this stuff..
- 05-02-2004, 08:45 PM
- 05-02-2004, 10:19 PM
You really have to wait on this stuff from what I read, maybe another week before you start seeing changes. At any rate, this appears to be one of the less risk, less reward type of PHs.
05-02-2004, 11:07 PM
Started at 6mg on the 21st. Bumped up to 7 after 4 or 5 days, and have been sitting at 8mg since yesterday. I will probably stay there.
I'm up about 4lbs (started at 205).
edit: this is a true stand-alone m-dien cycle.
05-03-2004, 12:55 AM
nice JCC, have you seen any sides at all? any strength increases to report?
I think I'm going to go up to 8 as well.
05-03-2004, 01:15 AM
I have not heard much in the way of positive feedback, but I have heard very little feedback in general, which is somewhat surprising after all of the hype behind it.
However, a 4lb increase in roughly 12 days is great.
05-03-2004, 11:04 AM
BP 'feels' a bit high sometimes, but I have not gone and checked it yet. Aside from that, no sides. Zero. Still waking up with morning wood even. heh
Nothing dramatic as far as strength gains yet. However I'm on a two week rotation, doggcrapp style. So today I'm back at the 'beginning' and I'll find out how much my lifts go up. I'll report a little later on this evening.
05-03-2004, 11:04 AM
Started Methyl-dien (designer supps. from 1fast) 6 days ago at 4mg a day.
Nothing worth mentioning yet. Bumped it up to 6mg starting today. Will re-assess in 6 days and maybe go to 8 if I need to. This also is stand alone except for Liver supps. I planned a nolva for PCT but am wondering if 6 oxo would be sufficient given it doesn't seem very suppressive -yet?
BTW 6'2" 230lbs 11%b/f age 34 years lifting 16
05-03-2004, 01:58 PM
I don't know; I already have nolva and I will be using that. But this is certainly a lot less suppressive than I thought it would be.
05-03-2004, 02:15 PM
I have nolva too and will likely use it, but I have 6 oxo also and was thinking I could reserve the nolva for another time, but I guess not. Also I had a liver panel done the day before I started and will have another done after PCT. I want to what the doctor has to say then.Originally Posted by Jcc
05-03-2004, 05:05 PM
Just started today on DS M-Dien and at a 4 pill dosage gonna try that for a week and bump to 6 if I don't get the results I need.
05-03-2004, 08:35 PM
I'm a bit disappointed in today's workout. This is the first time a two week rotation of exercises has started over again while on the m-dien.
Strength went up slightly on everything, but then I failed miserably on my deadlifts.
Two weeks ago- 355x4
This week- 365 MISSED! tried again and missed also
Oh well, maybe just a bad day.
05-03-2004, 10:22 PM
Glad to see everyone is posting the results, remember stregnth increases shouldnt seem to come on overnight, its more of a slow progression. also everyone seems to be slightly losing weight but getting leaner and more vascular, so make sure you are getting in enough protein, that is always my biggest problem. i always think i am getting enough, then i check my log and im off my 50gms here and ther, it does add up.
05-03-2004, 11:48 PM
I've been on DS methyldien for almost a week at 5mg a day. My appetite is through the roof and workouts are doing very well. Already got some complements on my shoulders and arms. Strength is up on almost everything so far, but this week will be the test. People should remember that even dbol and winny don't give immediate results, so MD shouldn't be expected to. So far, the only sides are hunger (which isn't bad!) and slight acne, which I get with anything. Blood pressure seems to be under control and isn't anywhere near as bad as on M1T.
05-04-2004, 12:23 AM
34yrs 189 4.5%bf Very diet dedicated. 200-250 gms of pro ed.
Well, I now know I'm not alone. I'm on my second week and absolutely no sides or much to speak of so far which is kind of a concern I suppose.
Started at 4mg ed and will now be at 6mg ed most likely ending at 8ed on a 4 week cycle.
Results have been not much(2lbs, but that could be from the usual weekend high calorie input) but I'm going to be patient. After having the M1T hit you, supress you and impress immediately it's hard to be optimistic about MD but I would expect it to be better in the days ahead. I'm not much into logs but I will keep posting when I can.
05-04-2004, 07:43 AM
Just outta curiousity since the recommended dosage of mdien has been raised another question comes to mind.. I thought the hepatoxicity of mdien was quite high as well.. so I was wondering what the deal with that was since we gotta take more now.. I think I'm going to start my dosage at either 6 or 8mg's when I start my cycle.. I'll be doing high doses of m1,4add switching to regular doseage of m1t then switching to mdien.. hoping that mdien will knock out some of the water weight from m1t.. also i was going to take m5aa preworkout
05-04-2004, 11:20 AM
just because you're taking different methyl's through the course of your cycle, doesn't mean you're not taking a methyl for longer than 4 weeks at a time.
05-04-2004, 12:03 PM
I also follow DC and IA's training routines. If this is your first go around with DC, you'll find out that it takes about four full cycles through the exercises to get accustomed to doin it. Don't worry too much about increases on your lifts the first few times. Just use the time to get used to this style of training.
By the way, a ten pound increase in deads might be a bit much also. There have been times when I only increased one or two pounds or maybe left the weight alone and added a rep or two.
05-04-2004, 12:09 PM
MD was very mild when it came to liver toxicity. Super had tested it up to 12mgs per day if I remeber correctly without much of rise in liver vaules. so its toxicty as well as its progesterone affinity were not at all what people thought it would be. so using an 8mg dose shoudlnt be a problem at all. although I still think 8mgs maybe high for most people. This compound isnt M1T, so dont look for those results.
05-04-2004, 12:13 PM
Sledge (please correct me here if I'm wrong) reported that supersoldier's liver values indeed rose, but not in as dramatic proportion as was expected based the initial profile of this androgen. He stated the M-dien was more mild than expected compared to M1T, but I don't think this means it still is not smart to exercise some caution here. As for dosing, it seems tricky. I thought 4 mg was a solid dose but I think maybe 7-9 will end up being more of the optimal dosage for most. Only time will tell. As it was stated I think we'll need some patience on this one. BTW I am on day 8 overall 6 days at 4mg and 6mg since yesterday.Just outta curiousity since the recommended dosage of mdien has been raised another question comes to mind.. I thought the hepatoxicity of mdien was quite high as well.. so I was wondering what the deal with that was since we gotta take more now..
I would also be very interested in more feedabck from SS.
05-04-2004, 02:13 PM
I have been on a DC rotation for a little over two months. Deads have gone up 40 lbs, but this is the first time I have completely stalled like that in a long time. Anyways, I'm just chalking it up to a bad dayOriginally Posted by farmer
05-04-2004, 02:55 PM
so technically if doubling the recommended dose wouldn't that mean that liver values would go up a lot more considering super took the recommended dose if i remember correctly?? i was thinking of doing 6-8mg's of m-dien ED.. I only have 2 bottles so i figured to dose high..
05-04-2004, 04:37 PM
Doubl eteh dose doesnt mean double the rise in liver values, and I did say that Supers values did go up until he added the R-Ala then they decreased. I agree that everyon should take it easy i dont think anyone needs to be using a 8mgs dose, 5 is plenty for even those with some PH exp. BUt M1T is far more toxic and much harsher on cholesterol as well, so if you have used M1T before, so far you have used the worst.
I would look at as a winstrol or anavar type compound, slow even gains with loss of body fat, increases in strength should come on slow as well. obvioulsy there will be people that it will work faster or slower in but this isnt a 2 week type compound like m1t, so just let it work.
05-05-2004, 12:58 AM
05-05-2004, 12:37 PM
*sigh* I got 2 bottles of the liquid from you I thought that would be enough.. so I guess it isn't?? so 5mg's ED?Originally Posted by Designer Supps
05-05-2004, 05:04 PM
05-05-2004, 05:43 PM
I'm using Methyl-Dien tabs now, and I swear they're not having the same effect that my Beta Liquid version did; I was using 2mg of the liquid, and now I'm using 3mg of the tabs. I'll give it some more time though.
05-05-2004, 06:39 PM
its the same thing so it should, but its funny a few people have said the same thing about the M1T as well. They think the liquid worked better then the tab versions. But really ther is no difference.
05-05-2004, 10:34 PM
My buddy and I just finished 4 weeks of MD. Liquid of course and we both had excellant results. He was running 4mg ed and I was running 6.He went from 209 to like 218 and the guys ripped to shreds and only 5' 9". I went from 240 to 251 and was trying to cut up as well and did an excellent job at droping bf while on cycle. I honestly like the **** a hell of alot more then M1T because M1T had me so down and out from the sides that I gained alot but was so suppressed afterwards that it wasnt worth it. Thank god for cialis and viagra.
05-05-2004, 11:10 PM
05-05-2004, 11:27 PM
We really didnt notice much till about the middle or end of the second week. Maybe 2 or 3 lbs the first 2 weeks then everything started working real nice. Strength increases were excellant the last 2 weeks. I havent maxed out since high school and we decided to push ourselves alittle hardier the other day for leg day. He got 480 for 10 and I got it for 8. thats after 5 full sets of squats. He's 5'9" so his range of movement is a lot less then mine so I figured 8 was pretty good for me that night. I cramped so bad in the shower that night. Thank god Ive got a bench in my shower and plenty of leg room. I also made my stretch marks on my legs a little worse. My wife saw them that night and said they look crazy. They normally get bright red when I go heavy. That night the edges and the ends (were it looks like they grew during that workout) were dark purple and the insides were blood red. They dont hurt and they are not noticeable unless Im naked but I would be much happier without them. Some of them ****ers are like fingerwide trenches in my thighs. There really bad near my nuts.Originally Posted by size
COOL STORY HUH?
05-06-2004, 01:22 AM
05-06-2004, 01:28 AM
Hmm. I will run out just after the 3 week mark. Perhaps it will be worth it to order one more bottle and push it a little past 4 weeks?Originally Posted by db682
05-06-2004, 01:42 AM
05-06-2004, 09:38 AM
does m1t really suppress you that bad?? damn maybe I should get some cialis?Originally Posted by db682
my gurl will kill me.. how long does it suppress you post cycle??
05-06-2004, 10:53 AM
Yes it really is that bad. If you think the sides (lethargy, app. suppresion and libido) were bad while on wait till you get off and your body has zero testosterone following through it (natural or not). It was definitly a ****ty couple weeks afterwards. I would hate to have used Clomid PC for that ****. Then you would add extremly bitchy, depressed even worse and moody.Originally Posted by propho
Top it off with the fact that you cant concentrate on anything, especially sex, and therefore 5 mins into ****ing your dick just lays down and plays dead. If you aint got viagra or cialis before that occurs then you will definitly learn to make up some of the most creative excuses for your limp dick. And you better make them good because you know damn well your chick will tell her friends, and theyll tell there friends and next thing you know the whole state knows your weak in the bed.
05-06-2004, 01:12 PM
05-06-2004, 02:02 PM
05-06-2004, 02:17 PM
I finished up a 4 week solo M1T cycle and have had no problems in the bedroom. My libido dropped a little but not too bad. I don't feel that suppressed but PCT should be interesting.
05-06-2004, 02:38 PM
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