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    Quote Originally Posted by athletor View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blacktail View Post
    Lumps under the nipples are common in men who do not even use steroids. It also does not constitute gyno unless you have actual mammary gland tissue growth. Do you have man boobs? Those lumps you can have removed surgically easily if thats all you have. If you do have actual breast enlargement, I feel sorry for you and you should seek medical help. What kind of acne made you stop? Papules, nodes , cysts? You should know that all drugs and their side effects are patient specific. They all effect us differently. Acne as a side effect is pretty common with steroids and to me, a pretty mild side effect.So after an 8 week cycle of Epi you got bad acne compared to a 4 week SD cycle. Thats an unfair comparison 1. because the cycles were run for different lengths and 2.You have not stated what your blood work was like before and after either of them, you are only basing that on the superficial
    i don't k'now what acne it was, but it was on neck, legs, arms, face, belly, and mostly on back and big spots, i even have scars now..
    who cares its fair or unfair, i just said what ive got from it..
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBB View Post
    I'm definitely not an expert in this area but his explanation of the development of this system many years ago by hospital doctors in order to take advantage of the benefits of hazardous drugs while limiting the potential side effects, seems very credible to me.
    Really? By real doctors? If that's the case, why is it just limited to the world of oral steroid use? I can't find any pharm drugs that have this theory for use to limit sides.
    Seriously, it's just my opinion. I've been against it since the day I read it. Make your own opinion - because that's all it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Lungz View Post
    Really? By real doctors? If that's the case, why is it just limited to the world of oral steroid use? I can't find any pharm drugs that have this theory for use to limit sides.
    Seriously, it's just my opinion. I've been against it since the day I read it. Make your own opinion - because that's all it is.
    You have not looked very hard my friend. It is quite well known and is being researched for use in antibiotics. I have stolen these links from another post but knew of pulsing from before Dr.D , although in his pulsing thread he mentions where he first got his idea from.
    http://ajrccm.atsjournals.org/cgi/re...68/12/1449.pdf

    http://rheumatology.oxfordjournals.or g/cgi/reprint/37/3/282.pdf

    www.doosesyndrome.com/treatingmae/steroids.htm

    www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1003439/

    http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs...25240902895972
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastRonin View Post
    You have not looked very hard my friend. It is quite well known. I have stolen these links from another post but knew of pulsing from before Dr.D , although in his pulsing thread he mentions where he first got his idea from.

    http://ajrccm.atsjournals.org/cgi/re...68/12/1449.pdf

    http://rheumatology.oxfordjournals.or g/cgi/reprint/37/3/282.pdf

    www.doosesyndrome.com/treatingmae/steroids.htm

    www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1003439/
    I've read some of those, as well as a few others. There again, in my opinion, I do not like the theory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Lungz View Post
    I've read some of those, as well as a few others. There again, in my opinion, I do not like the theory.
    Fair enough.We are all entitled. I have run both kinds of cycles and can say IMO that I am a believer.
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    I-Force h-drol is a clone of halodrol 50 ?
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    sorry, competitive edge labs H-drol is a clone halodrol 50?
    is it a good product?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastRonin View Post
    You have not looked very hard my friend. It is quite well known and is being researched for use in antibiotics. I have stolen these links from another post but knew of pulsing from before Dr.D , although in his pulsing thread he mentions where he first got his idea from.
    http://ajrccm.atsjournals.org/cgi/re...68/12/1449.pdf

    http://rheumatology.oxfordjournals.or g/cgi/reprint/37/3/282.pdf

    www.doosesyndrome.com/treatingmae/steroids.htm

    www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1003439/

    http://informahealthcare.com/doi/abs...25240902895972
    Do these other drugs your talking about put your hormones on a roller coaster?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastRonin View Post
    Fair enough.We are all entitled. I have run both kinds of cycles and can say IMO that I am a believer.
    Would you describe your pulse protocol? Length of cycle dosages pct?
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    Quote Originally Posted by skiboyny View Post
    Would you describe your pulse protocol? Length of cycle dosages pct?
    do post cycles have pct??
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    Quote Originally Posted by pembroke3355 View Post
    Do these other drugs your talking about put your hormones on a roller coaster?
    Well I wouldn't call it a "roller coaster" from research and experience. The info is out there as to why. The other "drugs" that are non-hormonal I would say from what I know, would be no to your answer for obvious reasons. Doctors and scientists are just recently experimenting with other drugs using the multi pulse protocol and having good results. Did you experience that feeling or do you assume that that is what happens to your body when pulsing a drug, steroids in particular?
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    Quote Originally Posted by skiboyny View Post
    Would you describe your pulse protocol? Length of cycle dosages pct?
    At 5'10 169 pounds no, I will not describe my methods for you. I am sorry. I would rather encourage you to go much farther naturally, before embarking on the other path. If you need advice on that you may PM me and I will be happy to help you.

    do post cycles have pct??
    That is up for debate. I used much less than most people think is reasonable, some would say not at all. I also experimented with my PCT and am very happy with the outcome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastRonin View Post
    That is up for debate. I used much less than most people think is reasonable, some would say not at all. I also experimented with my PCT and am very happy with the outcome.

    sounds good, think this summer i'm going to try pulsing p-plex, if u could PM the info u didn't wanna post here, that'd be great
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastRonin View Post
    Well I wouldn't call it a "roller coaster" from research and experience. The info is out there as to why. The other "drugs" that are non-hormonal I would say from what I know, would be no to your answer for obvious reasons. Doctors and scientists are just recently experimenting with other drugs using the multi pulse protocol and having good results. Did you experience that feeling or do you assume that that is what happens to your body when pulsing a drug, steroids in particular?

    Not experienced but to take a steriod and then stop for a day or 2 and start again over and over for 8-12 your body must be likE WTF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pembroke3355 View Post
    Not experienced but to take a steriod and then stop for a day or 2 and start again over and over for 8-12 your body must be likE WTF.
    well kinda like carb cycling, and that only produces good results for losing fat yes? i know thats hard to compare haha, but its not alarming your body to reduce test activity, and without any noticeable feedback, i'm not sure i can make a case against the pulse. Unless there is, i haven't looked into the pulse much, just a new idea that i've thought of maybe for the summer.

    enlighten me
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ju1cedUp View Post
    well kinda like carb cycling, and that only produces good results for losing fat yes? i know thats hard to compare haha, but its not alarming your body to reduce test activity, and without any noticeable feedback, i'm not sure i can make a case against the pulse. Unless there is, i haven't looked into the pulse much, just a new idea that i've thought of maybe for the summer.

    enlighten me
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    Quote Originally Posted by pembroke3355 View Post
    I am all set. Pulse if you like but I choose not to.
    o ok nvm, was just lookin for anymore in depth input on how it affects you, i'll check somewhere else, just trying to learn what i can about it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Lungz View Post
    I've read some of those, as well as a few others. There again, in my opinion, I do not like the theory.
    This site is all about opinions and yours is appreciated. Dr. D has a solid reputation. I believe that pulsing in a relatively new concept and like most new concepts they are generally met with skepticism. Skepticism is not necessarily a bad thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBB View Post
    This site is all about opinions and yours is appreciated. Dr. D has a solid reputation. I believe that pulsing in a relatively new concept and like most new concepts they are generally met with skepticism. Skepticism is not necessarily a bad thing.
    I agree DR. D has a great rep. I do not think pulsing is all that new it has been done for a while now. Most of the opinions I get from experienced users is to run it ED.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pembroke3355 View Post
    Not experienced but to take a steriod and then stop for a day or 2 and start again over and over for 8-12 your body must be likE WTF.
    I'll quote Dr.D on what it feels like. "Things like Epi and Dbol actually increase LH initially, so pulsing is almost like having 3 initial doses every week instead of just at the beginning of a cycle." Which is what I liked about it. It always felt like it was my first week. I never had any shutdown through any of it and my libido was great. Slight joint pain was the only drawback but that is common with epi on ED cycles. I have much faith in the bodies ability to recover based on my own past recreational drug use haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ju1cedUp View Post
    sounds good, think this summer i'm going to try pulsing p-plex, if u could PM the info u didn't wanna post here, that'd be great
    I will PM you what I have learned. Take it with a grain of salt though, as while I feel comfortable experimenting on myself, we all react differently to different stimuli. eg; someone with underlying unknown medical conditions. I will be back in a day or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastRonin View Post
    I'll quote Dr.D on what it feels like. "Things like Epi and Dbol actually increase LH initially, so pulsing is almost like having 3 initial doses every week instead of just at the beginning of a cycle." Which is what I liked about it. It always felt like it was my first week. I never had any shutdown through any of it and my libido was great. Slight joint pain was the only drawback but that is common with epi on ED cycles. I have much faith in the bodies ability to recover based on my own past recreational drug use haha.
    good thought. my libido was actually raging all the way through epi.. so sounds legit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheLastRonin View Post
    I'll quote Dr.D on what it feels like. "Things like Epi and Dbol actually increase LH initially, so pulsing is almost like having 3 initial doses every week instead of just at the beginning of a cycle." Which is what I liked about it. It always felt like it was my first week. I never had any shutdown through any of it and my libido was great. Slight joint pain was the only drawback but that is common with epi on ED cycles. I have much faith in the bodies ability to recover based on my own past recreational drug use haha.
    Good input.

    I'm not necessarily saying that pulsing is the most effective way to take Epi but I feel that it's the safest. I would rather error on the side of safety even if the results are somewhat less than they might be otherwise.
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    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I didnt read through this whole thread. But I am pretty sure that the pulsing method was suggested originally for antibiotics.

    You cannot compare antibiotics to steroids. The reasons that steroids are toxic to the liver are different than antibiotics.

    In fact, I spoke with two of the leading research endocrinologists in the country about steroid toxicity, and even they said it is not a fully understood mechanism.

    In MY opinion, the pulsing can limit the toxicity simply because you are taking it less.

    But I do not think that the toxicity reduction is very big, in fact, possibly negligible. I also don't like the idea of pulsing something that effects your HPTA.

    To me, it sounds like PUNCHING your HPTA. It is a very slow feedback mechanism.

    Arguments and points can be made in each direction, so to each his own.

    Real doctors and pharmacists know about the pulsing method. Real doctors and pharmacists know about oral steroids. They are prescribed to real patients for number of reasons.

    But real doctors and pharmacists don't tell you to pulse your steroids.

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    They also don't tell you to "ramp up" your dosage, and then quit cold turkey, in order to take a "PCT".

    Just sayin'...
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    H-drol is bad for pulse cycle?
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    because I have one bottles of H-drol and I will want to make a pulse cycle
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    why must u always
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    do a double post
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    that is my first cycle
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    Quote Originally Posted by athletor View Post
    that is my first cycle
    A h-drol pulse will not produce much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I didnt read through this whole thread. But I am pretty sure that the pulsing method was suggested originally for antibiotics.

    You cannot compare antibiotics to steroids. The reasons that steroids are toxic to the liver are different than antibiotics.

    In fact, I spoke with two of the leading research endocrinologists in the country about steroid toxicity, and even they said it is not a fully understood mechanism.

    In MY opinion, the pulsing can limit the toxicity simply because you are taking it less.

    But I do not think that the toxicity reduction is very big, in fact, possibly negligible. I also don't like the idea of pulsing something that effects your HPTA.

    To me, it sounds like PUNCHING your HPTA. It is a very slow feedback mechanism.

    Arguments and points can be made in each direction, so to each his own.

    Real doctors and pharmacists know about the pulsing method. Real doctors and pharmacists know about oral steroids. They are prescribed to real patients for number of reasons.

    But real doctors and pharmacists don't tell you to pulse your steroids.

    Get what I mean?
    The Dutchman claims to have run long pulse cycles with Epi with good results and little to no shutdown. I personally have been reluctant to run any pulse cycle longer than 6 weeks. But during these short pulse cycles I have typically gained from 4-5 lbs without any apparent shutdown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nattydisaster View Post
    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I didnt read through this whole thread. But I am pretty sure that the pulsing method was suggested originally for antibiotics.
    But real doctors and pharmacists don't tell you to pulse your steroids.
    Wrong, the first usage was for corticosteroids, BY doctors.It is still used today. Antibiotics are what they are experimenting with now.
  

  
 

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