results from the FDA supplement tests for the BB.com Raid so far.
- 09-30-2009, 09:02 AM
- 09-30-2009, 10:06 AM
PLEASE reference me where the hell a bag of chex mix causes heart wall thickening.
Last edited by DAdams91982; 09-30-2009 at 11:39 AM.The Historic PES Legend
- 09-30-2009, 10:11 AM
I fought for the same freedoms you did in two wars, so don't give me that argument. I believe if it was your child consuming amphetamines for some fat loss you would be pretty damn irate. I HATE regulation, and find it usually causes more problems than not, but this industry is blinded by the multi billion dollar figure that is spent on supps at the expense of the consumers health. Reference ALRI hyperdrive, and PAL Aspire 36.The Historic PES Legend
09-30-2009, 10:17 AM
09-30-2009, 10:25 AM
The Historic PES Legend
09-30-2009, 01:10 PM
"Read up on hypertension and plaque formation. The increased blood pressure causes blood cells to constantly slam into the arterial wall with each heart beat and subsequently scar the walls giving LDL a foot hold for increased plaque formation and in time heart disease. Both LDL elevation and hypertension comes from AAS, more so these methyl's being pedaled today."
Fight the good fight, D!
And that's just the tip of a very big iceberg, kiddies. The impact that methyls have on liver synthesis of cholesterol has far reaching impacts on cardiovascular, endocrine and even mental health. Then there are issues with these highly androgenic compounds...say "400 x more potent than test" being the typical selling point...inducing thickening of the heart walls leading to Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy at young ages. Ever wonder why you get short of breath on some of these cycles? Ever wonder what these WWF and WWE wrestlers keel over from at age 45? HCM. Learn it or live it.
I'm not going to argue your "right to take whatever", because really...I don't care if you kill yourself pursuing vanity and I know enough to get whatever I want, whenever I want it. But for God's sake man, learn a little about what you're putting in your body and stop believing everything the designer pushers tell you. That's every bit as bad as Drs going solely by the shiny pamphlets they get from pharmacuetical reps.
09-30-2009, 01:21 PM
i guess one way to sum it all up: Ignorance is bliss.
I'll admit, upon first hearing of all this FDA business I was a bit uneducated and disappointed. But further investigation made me wise. What you guys above me and 5150 and a few others are saying makes plenty of sense. I am in fact glad that there are a few of you who are as you said bioman, fighting the good fight. For the few of us who think before we act, thank you.
09-30-2009, 01:26 PM
The Historic PES Legend
09-30-2009, 01:32 PM
09-30-2009, 01:34 PM
09-30-2009, 01:48 PM
09-30-2009, 01:49 PM
09-30-2009, 02:03 PM
09-30-2009, 03:02 PM
Some of the things you mention I'm less concerned about like heart wall thickness because that has shown to return to normal after about 6 months off cycle, plus it occurs more from GH and exercise than from steroids.
09-30-2009, 06:50 PM
09-30-2009, 08:00 PM
My reasoning, which may be wrong, goes like this: Say you spend every day for a month doing squats. You're gonna get some bigass legs. Spend the next 6 months just walking. They aren't going to stay that big.
09-30-2009, 08:03 PM
09-30-2009, 08:06 PM
09-30-2009, 08:10 PM
Originally Posted by DR.D
Food for thought.
EDIT: A thread here about it... Epistane = Phera-Plex....WTF??
09-30-2009, 08:15 PM
10-02-2009, 04:33 AM
10-02-2009, 04:43 AM
The statement that I made about 12lbs of water, etc, was not NECESSARILY concerning to the fact of whether or not anyone gained or lost xxx lbs or strength during pct. The POINT of the statement was that FEW want to risk getting caught and going to prison for selling a substance if/and when it becomes scheduled.
For reasons unknown, you seem to have been attracted to the portion that read about the lbs lost and gained or whatever. So, I responded to THAT particular in which you got angry about.
Regardless of the factual numbers of lbs lost, gained, nut hair grown, or titties grown during pCT, was not really the point of the statement...
You're focusing on the apples, and I'm eating grapes over here bro...
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10-02-2009, 09:06 AM
Yaz had to come out and issue ANOTHER public commercial due to side effects. lol
The FDA does not have our best health interests in mind, lets not forget this.
10-02-2009, 09:12 AM
10-02-2009, 09:26 AM
10-02-2009, 09:44 AM
BB.com was my alternate site when NP sold out of the AI's and similar.
I was just about to order from BB a certain stack because NP did not have one of the items in stock last time I checked.
Both items I wanted were gone. And then I read about the raid.
As far as the political situation is that we have bigger issues than supplements.
And I am all for them trumping shady companies who sell dangerous stuff labeled as safe.
But this action scares companies into even taking away things that are not too harmful.
And eventually they are going to ban herbs that are actually helpful so we can all take advantage of their health care on a daily basis.
Thing is I have taken prescriptions and herbs for different issues and the herbs work better for me.
I just hope the FDA and government can focus on the true criminals without restricting most of our choices.l.
10-02-2009, 09:52 AM
Lets pick out one of these terrible medicines. How about Chemotherapy (A good ****tail of drugs)... lets think about what that does to the body... strait poison, everything you discussed, loss of hair, sometimes vision... but, what is one of the only proved ways for cancer... oh... Chemotherapy... big catch 22 there, do you want hair, or do you want to live? And lets take another idea here, you ACTUALLY KNOW WTF YOU ARE TAKING. If you research it or not is all on you, but you have that opportunity, whereas these companies strip you of that right without putting on the label what is in the bottle.
I do no like the FDA, as with any other bureaucracy... but for ****s sake man, when has this industry stepped up and regulated itself in a safe fashion? When you potentially hurt another unknowing individual, sorry man, here is your bag, get the **** outta here.
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10-02-2009, 01:30 PM
10-02-2009, 02:42 PM
10-02-2009, 03:16 PM
This people need every external chemical to maintain their "performance"
And although wrestling is fake in results, it is very real in pain. Knee replacements, back surgery, torn muscles, broken bones, all that happens often. Its not an easy thing to do in reality, in fact I doubt any of these real "actors" could pull off a good wrestling performance. These guys after 10 years have had their bodies destroyed. I think Hogan had both knees replaced and a back surgery, and was still hammering it out. Obviously the pain killers are easy to see as a necessity. As well as Steroids to stay huge for the crowds. The drugs and booze are simply to deal with it all.
And like said as a good note, these guys are likely pinning over a gram of Test on a weekly base, plus adding in other stuff.
Anyone remember Buff Bagwell(or whatever). First time I seen him, and I was young, I was like "STEROIDS!!!!!" hahahaaa.
And that crap aint from no 4 weeks of Epi, or 12 weeks of 500mg test....
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