[DAdams91982]

Eh, what to do?
At least some are waking up now.

Cyno-what?

[kjkriston]

JW has gone through many "reformulation." the org was suppose to have a mild PH in it but hard to trust any company that does that once... so who knows... but most people report the newer stuff is not close to the older stuff.

This si the green label bottle. If I am correct the claim from ALRI....shady bastards that they are.....was it had methyl-atd in it. People started claiming that it had a ph in it.......just trying to see what I've got, and if it can be used without PCT.

[BBB]

this one is not blowing over, its changing the industry.

The industry needs a enema.

[kjkriston]

agreed....just hope the "new" batch that will emerge will do it quickly, effectively and with some ingenuity.

[dpfisher]

this one is not blowing over, its changing the industry.

The next loophole will be packages, 3 bottles of all natural compounds and a label that says

WARNING: DO NOT MIX THESE TOGETHER WITH DRAIN CLEANER, PAINT STRIPPER, ADD CONCRETE CLEANER TO NEUTRAL PH, CONCENTRATE AND CONSUME 50MG PER DAY WITH APPROPRIATE PCT

[Zero V]

The next loophole will be packages, 3 bottles of all natural compounds and a label that says

WARNING: DO NOT MIX THESE TOGETHER WITH DRAIN CLEANER, PAINT STRIPPER, ADD CONCRETE CLEANER TO NEUTRAL PH, CONCENTRATE AND CONSUME 50MG PER DAY WITH APPROPRIATE PCT

The issues is really solved like this...

*walks into gym* "hey big joe, can I buy some of your steroids?"

done...

Well obviously alot more complicated, but really its fueling people to go from legal to illegal.

Though honestly I have slowed my roll to consider the risks in the last few days. And unless something falls in my lap, I will be perfectly happy being natural forever. Some of it comes from arguing with iron,D, and Bfifty...

I still want my freedoms though -,-

[Iron Lungz]

Some of it comes from arguing with iron,D, and Bfifty...

We do it out of love, man.

[Zero V]

We do it out of love, man.

Some of it I suspect lol. I have grown alot thanks to many conflicts on this board (say my more original faith based ones, eh?) But sometimes not.

And thanks on a side not lol.

[kjkriston]

This is the green label bottle. If I am correct the claim from ALRI....shady bastards that they are.....was it had methyl-atd in it. People started claiming that it had a ph in it.......just trying to see what I've got, and if it can be used without PCT.

^ In reference to Jungle warfare

Not trying to be obnoxious but does anyone have any other info on this stuff.....

[hardknock]

The issues is really solved like this...

*walks into gym* "hey big joe, can I buy some of your steroids?"

done...

Well obviously alot more complicated, but really its fueling people to go from legal to illegal.

Though honestly I have slowed my roll to consider the risks in the last few days. And unless something falls in my lap, I will be perfectly happy being natural forever. Some of it comes from arguing with iron,D, and Bfifty...

I still want my freedoms though -,-

One thing to remember though. It was always illegal to sell actual steroids as dietary supplements..

If it the write up on product xxx portrays things in a certain way then it can be deemed as making medical claims which is also in violation because then it isn't a dietary supplement.

[Zero V]

One thing to remember though. It was always illegal to sell actual steroids as dietary supplements..

If it the write up on product xxx portrays things in a certain way then it can be deemed as making medical claims which is also in violation because then it isn't a dietary supplement.

True I have come to realize this being one of the bigger issues.

What could they have labeled it. It was really not a supplement. But in all honesty it could have been allowed to be legal nad marketed under a different category of product. Were talking behind the counter, show me your ID kinda stuff. You know how liqueur is controlled, but sold. Same deal.

[heath1225]

so...the chart says "basis for probable cause." so do you think the ingredients listed are actually what the FDA found in the products or just what they suspect are in them? And Mass Tabs definitely disappoint me if they are Superdrol.

[hardknock]

so...the chart says "basis for probable cause." so do you think the ingredients listed are actually what the FDA found in the products or just what they suspect are in them? And Mass Tabs definitely disappoint me if they are Superdrol.

I don't recall the tests saying what the amount was in terms of mg per capsule (fda testing). Mass tabs say 30mg or whatever it does say, so some assumed the fda found 30mg of SD. Yet, it may be 2mg of SD and 27 mg of filler.

I don't know if the fda allows a variance when it comes to steroid compounds being included in a mixture as the same as insects are allowed in canned goods (what is it, 1 percent of a line of can goods can have a bug or two?) I am pretty sure there is no variance for drugs in a mixture of a 'supplement' but I'm not sure as I stated.

[Psychabinol]

This could possibly be the start of a team of rogue chemists trying to garner the FDA's attention, in order to get the goverment to actually regulate the supplement industry. It should be regulated.

Thats one theory, but overall, this thing thats happening not just in these bodybuilding, but in the health industry.

I was right before, and my comments were taking of the site. Because the people who have money in control, not the many people who make comments.

It was obvious the SX contained something greater than what was labeled.

Haha, i might actually buy some now, that i know whats in it.

Lot of products, have now been shown to be spiked with something.

An attack on the pharmeceutical industry, it could possibly be.

Rogue chemists wanting to give us our free liberties to use whatever substance we want,possibly.

[hardknock]

True I have come to realize this being one of the bigger issues.

What could they have labeled it. It was really not a supplement. But in all honesty it could have been allowed to be legal nad marketed under a different category of product. Were talking behind the counter, show me your ID kinda stuff. You know how liqueur is controlled, but sold. Same deal.

Perhaps in some strange turn of events, it could/they could have been marketed for prescription purposes only. But that would only be through big pharma. There is no way that these small supp companies could possibly fund thje actual creation of a steroid as big pharma puts out millions of dollars and years of research. And I highly doubt that any of these small 'supp' companies would be given license to perform it.

So, in essence, it is like I've been saying all the time, they will eventually put you in a catch 22 position. You can't do one without the other and you can't do the other because you are not licensed...rock and a hard spot.

[Psychabinol]

one thing they need to put in these supplements are some designer sedatives. maybe Alri's new comotose products contain this? We know this company has done so in the past.

Is anyone really suprised that AX put that in SX, its called anabolic xtreme for a reason. I mean they orginally sold designer steriods.
Hyperdrol X2 is a suprise, id want to know more info on that if its absolutely true.

What the government needs to do is make all drugs legal, which i foresee withing 20-50 years, or shorter perhaps. This its what its leading to. You cant stop the American urge for wanting to be better than normal.

[Psychabinol]

Perhaps in some strange turn of events, it could/they could have been marketed for prescription purposes only. But that would only be through big pharma. There is no way that these small supp companies could possibly fund thje actual creation of a steroid as big pharma puts out millions of dollars and years of research. And I highly doubt that any of these small 'supp' companies would be given license to perform it.

So, in essence, it is like I've been saying all the time, they will eventually put you in a catch 22 position. You can't do one without the other and you can't do the other because you are not licensed...rock and a hard spot.

yeah but if all drugs were legal, including steriods, people wouldnt have to use these crappy designer supplements.

but then big pharma wouldnt be able to sell test cream for hundreds of dolars.

Then again, this recent fda attack could be a response from the Obama administration in order to radically change the health industry by using underground tactics, because you know you cant fight with big pharma.

[Kernkraft]

Honestly slim xtreme is one of the best products I have taken...then again which controlled substance are they saying it has an ingrediant similar to? There is no way I will dump my bottle, I will just be sad as Irun out of pills

go to bb.com's supplement science section and in there you will find what AX's SX turned out to be...

2-Diphenylmethylpyrrolidine I believe is what I was told.

[Zero V]

go to bb.com's supplement science section and in there you will find what AX's SX turned out to be...

2-Diphenylmethylpyrrolidine I believe is what I was told.

ah. I thought their section was yanked from over there too?

Did they know what they had in there, or did they not even know what they were playing with? I love their products, but still I like info. They were supposed to release alot of info after they got a certain patent on slim x. Now we know that is never happening.

What would that be similar to?

Honestly when I described my feelings on slim x(suc has how it effected my softball abilities) people said it sounded like I was talking about speed. Which after talking with my father, who was talking about the old "black beauties" which was legal speed sold as a diet pill apparantly that truck drivers used to make the long hauls without passing out.

[mark118]

this was apart of the AFFIDAVIT w/ the SEARCH WARRANT

these arent the results are they? just had another look and at the top it says basis for probable cause and not result of test

[luclyluciano]

You're right, there seems to be errors in there like SPAWN not containing EPI?

[keeper]

^^ Thanks, Mark. That is an important little detail.

[Iron Lungz]

It's not an error, for it may not contain the epithio compound in the first place.

You're right, there seems to be errors in there like SPAWN not containing EPI?

[hardknock]

yeah but if all drugs were legal, including steriods, people wouldnt have to use these crappy designer supplements.

but then big pharma wouldnt be able to sell test cream for hundreds of dolars.

Then again, this recent fda attack could be a response from the Obama administration in order to radically change the health industry by using underground tactics, because you know you cant fight with big pharma.

Let's not go throwing the recent president's name in this just yetm These particular investigations have been going on since early 08.

[strategicmove]

It's not an error, for it may not contain the epithio compound in the first place.

Exactly what I meant to write. In case of doubt, I would prefer to believe the FDA's tests than the steroid manufacturer's claims.