[Psychabinol]

one thing they need to put in these supplements are some designer sedatives. maybe Alri's new comotose products contain this? We know this company has done so in the past.

Is anyone really suprised that AX put that in SX, its called anabolic xtreme for a reason. I mean they orginally sold designer steriods.
Hyperdrol X2 is a suprise, id want to know more info on that if its absolutely true.

What the government needs to do is make all drugs legal, which i foresee withing 20-50 years, or shorter perhaps. This its what its leading to. You cant stop the American urge for wanting to be better than normal.

[Psychabinol]

Perhaps in some strange turn of events, it could/they could have been marketed for prescription purposes only. But that would only be through big pharma. There is no way that these small supp companies could possibly fund thje actual creation of a steroid as big pharma puts out millions of dollars and years of research. And I highly doubt that any of these small 'supp' companies would be given license to perform it.

So, in essence, it is like I've been saying all the time, they will eventually put you in a catch 22 position. You can't do one without the other and you can't do the other because you are not licensed...rock and a hard spot.

yeah but if all drugs were legal, including steriods, people wouldnt have to use these crappy designer supplements.

but then big pharma wouldnt be able to sell test cream for hundreds of dolars.

Then again, this recent fda attack could be a response from the Obama administration in order to radically change the health industry by using underground tactics, because you know you cant fight with big pharma.

[Kernkraft]

Honestly slim xtreme is one of the best products I have taken...then again which controlled substance are they saying it has an ingrediant similar to? There is no way I will dump my bottle, I will just be sad as Irun out of pills

go to bb.com's supplement science section and in there you will find what AX's SX turned out to be...

2-Diphenylmethylpyrrolidine I believe is what I was told.

[Zero V]

go to bb.com's supplement science section and in there you will find what AX's SX turned out to be...

2-Diphenylmethylpyrrolidine I believe is what I was told.

ah. I thought their section was yanked from over there too?

Did they know what they had in there, or did they not even know what they were playing with? I love their products, but still I like info. They were supposed to release alot of info after they got a certain patent on slim x. Now we know that is never happening.

What would that be similar to?

Honestly when I described my feelings on slim x(suc has how it effected my softball abilities) people said it sounded like I was talking about speed. Which after talking with my father, who was talking about the old "black beauties" which was legal speed sold as a diet pill apparantly that truck drivers used to make the long hauls without passing out.

[mark118]

this was apart of the AFFIDAVIT w/ the SEARCH WARRANT

these arent the results are they? just had another look and at the top it says basis for probable cause and not result of test

[luclyluciano]

You're right, there seems to be errors in there like SPAWN not containing EPI?

[keeper]

^^ Thanks, Mark. That is an important little detail.

[Iron Lungz]

It's not an error, for it may not contain the epithio compound in the first place.

You're right, there seems to be errors in there like SPAWN not containing EPI?

[hardknock]

yeah but if all drugs were legal, including steriods, people wouldnt have to use these crappy designer supplements.

but then big pharma wouldnt be able to sell test cream for hundreds of dolars.

Then again, this recent fda attack could be a response from the Obama administration in order to radically change the health industry by using underground tactics, because you know you cant fight with big pharma.

Let's not go throwing the recent president's name in this just yetm These particular investigations have been going on since early 08.

[strategicmove]

It's not an error, for it may not contain the epithio compound in the first place.

Exactly what I meant to write. In case of doubt, I would prefer to believe the FDA's tests than the steroid manufacturer's claims.

[strategicmove]

Let's not go throwing the recent president's name in this just yetm These particular investigations have been going on since early 08.

Good point! There exists a disturbing tendency in some quarters to conveniently, but unfairly, blame the Obama administration for most ills.

[hardknock]

You're right, there seems to be errors in there like SPAWN not containing EPI?

My question is what if it didn't contain epi? That would mean it was mislabeled. Many people complained of gyno from spawn so that would be telling...

[MC Gun]

My question is to the FDA exactly what is the problem with these compounds apart from the fact they actually work to build muscle and with proper PCT you can even keep some of the gains with out to much problems?

[keeper]

Good Morning America is airing coverage right now targeting the sup industry in general. They interviewed the young athlete who had a bad experience with liver damage after taking Superdrol.

[Iron Lungz]

"We spoke to the owner(s) of Anabolic Xtreme and they said that they no longer in business..."
Damn.

Good Morning America is airing coverage right now targeting the sup industry in general. They interviewed the young athlete who had a bad experience with liver damage after taking Superdrol.

[jherman08]

Good Morning America is airing coverage right now targeting the sup industry in general. They interviewed the young athlete who had a bad experience with liver damage after taking Superdrol.

lmfao he says he researched for 3-4 weeks before taking superdrol to make sure it would not harm him? WTF!? Where the fck did he research? Dumbfck..

His liver damage didnt take him away from his baseball dream, him getting CAUGHT did
lol

[Imnotascoolas]

You're right, there seems to be errors in there like SPAWN not containing EPI?

It says basis for probable cause, means they're after the tren not the epi. It's the same as if I added vitamin c to superdrol. They wouldn't come for it over the superdrol and the vit c, just the superdrol, the rest is an inactive as far as they're concerned at the moment.

[DAdams91982]

My question is to the FDA exactly what is the problem with these compounds apart from the fact they actually work to build muscle and with proper PCT you can even keep some of the gains with out to much problems?

Liver damage, heart tissue thickening, artery micro abrasions, hypertension.

I think the part you are missing (From reading your posts lately) is the fact that the industry has no regulation, so you are probably not even ingesting what you think you are. BTW, I HATE regulation, but this industry cannot self regulate and in turn can seriously harm some.

Then go on to the fact the people taking these designers are taking something that has NO STUDIES. Whereas real gear has mountains of information and studies on them.

Get off the FDA and do some real ****.. it is better and safer.

[ShakesAllDay]

It says basis for probable cause, means they're after the tren not the epi. It's the same as if I added vitamin c to superdrol. They wouldn't come for it over the superdrol and the vit c, just the superdrol, the rest is an inactive as far as they're concerned at the moment.

Yeah, just because epi, etc. aren't listed doesn't mean they aren't present... they simply weren't looking/concerned for it.

[Irish Cannon]

Then go on to the fact the people taking these designers are taking something that has NO STUDIES. Whereas real gear has mountains of information and studies on them.

I was under the impression that SD was just a methylated version of methasteron, which has been around for a while. Am I mistaken? Is that just the forums talking?

[DAdams91982]

I was under the impression that SD was just a methylated version of methasteron, which has been around for a while. Am I mistaken? Is that just the forums talking?

You are correct if I remember right, but the methylation does more to a compound than people realize. Think of it this way, DBol is methylated Boldenone... nothing in the same category whatsoever. Read the studies on both and they are vastly different.

[WeaponX1984]

Good point! There exists a disturbing tendency in some quarters to conveniently, but unfairly, blame the Obama administration for most ills.

HAHAHAHA i just COULDNT help myself from responding to this.... although this is off topic, and this will be my first and last comment on the subject (we can surely take it to PMs or another thread if you wish)... the only thing disturbing about this is that people just spent the past 8 years doing the EXACT thing about Bush.... "aww did your toilet break? thats because George Bush doesnt give a **** about you!"

The sad reality is that this is how the country is, they blame the president, for everything... but now that people are starting to blame the "savior" jesus obama, then its a 'disturbing tendency'... hahaha, thank you, you have just made my day!

[Iron Lungz]

Indeed, they are.

You are correct if I remember right, but the methylation does more to a compound than people realize. Think of it this way, DBol is methylated Boldenone... nothing in the same category whatsoever. Read the studies on both and they are vastly different.

[jay21]

2-Diphenylmethylpyrrolidine in SX what is this compund?

[mark118]

2-Diphenylmethylpyrrolidine in SX what is this compund?

is that the amphetamine related product?

[johnyq]

Let's discuss safety of 2-Diphenylmethylpyrrolidine (Possible drug found in SX )
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?p=390921171

[dpfisher]

Let's discuss safety of 2-Diphenylmethylpyrrolidine

Considering it's a new compound, I don't think there's much to discuss unless we get a real chemist in here. All I could guess from searching for parts of the compound and reading research papers on cocaine analogs is pyrrolidine allows an extreme amount of uptake at the 5-HT receptor, and I'm not even sure that's correct for this compound because I don't know much about biochemistry at all.

I think it would be like 2-DPMP with affinity for the 5-HT being about 2 orders of magnitude greater. Other methods of action would likely be on the same order of magnitude as with 2-DPMP.

Edit: Oh, that was the name of the link, not a request. Woops.

[Irish Cannon]

You are correct if I remember right, but the methylation does more to a compound than people realize. Think of it this way, DBol is methylated Boldenone... nothing in the same category whatsoever. Read the studies on both and they are vastly different.

Interesting. I didn't know that. - Is it that way with all? For example, what's the difference between Trenbolone Acetate and Methyl Trenbolone?

[metroba]

Here are the actual results (from bb.com)

[Zero V]

Here are the actual results (from bb.com)

WTF HOLY $H!Z!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hyperdrol X2 is THAT?!?!

Andro and tren?!?!?!? It is supposed to be a 6 bromo? o.0

Either that is as underhanded as it gets or the FDA is doing some crap testing...

I mean I was giving AX a chance to release info on slim x and such, but if that is true about HX2 I am a bit pissed, I took HX2....