results from the FDA supplement tests for the BB.com Raid so far.
- 09-27-2009, 10:41 PM
From the research Ive seen its not safe at all. There is a lot of data showing it to be toxic and its related to a lot of structures that are either controlled drugs because of their side effects and abuse potential as well as being analogues to a lot of scheduled drugs for the same reason.
I would be worried about the sale of a controlled substance, then the toxicity and safety. Im shocked that they would admit to using something like this, even if its similar to this its likely not good because it either hasnt ever been used in humans or lab animals (which is scary) or it has and its been shown to not be safe.
This is what an unnamed source (impartial source), whom, along with patrick arnold and another well known chemist from BB.com had to say about anabolic xtreme's Slim Xtreme...since then the product was pulled until further notice.
Now, this is not some propaganda being drummed up by the government. It is a well known fact that many of the "good ol boy" companies that you guys trust, spike their products with unlisted ingredients and then cry that they never knew about it (I did not say that they ALL DID THIS, but more than a handful do and have been doing it). Or say that they never knew that it would convert into xxx if this or that happened. Take the covers from over your head's guys...this [email protected] is a real threat. And, we are all to blame for giving the FDA the gasoline to pour on the fire.---The internet is the father of the electronic lynch-mob---
- 09-27-2009, 10:45 PM
09-27-2009, 10:49 PM
whatd you sell me?
I was gonna use their aPCT but after seeing this I'm kind of worried about taking anything from them. I think I'll find another product.
And yeah "cardiovascular toxicity" is not really a phrase I like to see. Be careful man.
09-27-2009, 10:50 PM
NO THEY DO NOT. Some of them do, but hell, they all do not do it. Look at jungle warfare, slime extreme, hyperdrol, mass tabs? Hell, look at that crap that muscle tech puts out....but guess what? They just are lying about the benefit that you get from taking their product. Their ingredients actually check out, crappy ingredients but still...so they are basically guilty of false advertisement and exaggerated label claims.
say you have a clone that says superdrol. Ok, so there is superdrol in there. But, what else may be in there? The label says SD? No one is going to look further because it is a given that SD is pretty harsh, so it's not like someone is saying they have sugar in the bottle and it puts on 20lbs in 4 weeks. That statement would cause people to question it. However, lets say it has a little PP in there? Or a little tren? Someone like PA comes along and says that there is two peaks when tested but he cannot identify the other product?
What do you do?
Do you just read the logs and say, i'll take it anyway
Do you try to wait and see what else is in the product then make an educated decision? Most would probably take it anyway....Next thing you know you have tits and pissing blood (extreme example but you get my point)...
---The internet is the father of the electronic lynch-mob---
09-27-2009, 10:55 PM
09-27-2009, 10:58 PM
From a BB.com poster (dr_p whom had been following the whole deal)...i'll have to look for the actual thread...i think here:a few high level chemists have analysed this product. the results they got were not easy to interpret but they teamed up and came to the conclusion that this product apparently contains a substantial amount of a designer drug stimulant.
This designer stimulant have been hidden on the label under the term "aminoslim4". to add to the deception, there were quite a few studies cited in the product write-up that referenced to certain amino acids (proline) that have NOTHing to do with the designer drug.
Is this designer drug dangerous? nobody knows for sure. however, it's sibling (a designer drug that is extremely close WRT chemical structure) has been dropped by Dutch smartshops because of cardiotoxicity (i.e. bad for your heart).
Reps of said company first claimed that the speculations based on the chemical analyses were "100% wrong" and that their "substance" were "100% safe" and that people who were speculationg on the deisgner drugs were "jealous drama queens".
Now, the reps are all gone from bb.com, AX has stopped producing this product, bb.com pulled the entire AX line from the bb.com store, Anabolic minds forum removed the link to the AX company subforum and the alleged formulator ("Dr.D") has been said to be not available because he is in the hospital expecting the birth of his child.
---The internet is the father of the electronic lynch-mob---
09-28-2009, 12:46 AM
Great point and dually noted. No I do not condone taking the manufactures words for it. I do, however, wait for logs/feeback/etc. on the product before personally ingesting it. The fact that we are the test subjects for supplement companies is a very real fact and I could not agree more that caution needs to be extended to EVERY situation dealing with these supplements. However, the claims being made on most of these products are just to make the general public concensus happy and therefore use that as a rationale to take action. I do agree that there are ALOT of problems with some of these supps, however, there is also alot of problems with misunderstanding these supplements.
09-28-2009, 01:35 AM
09-28-2009, 07:45 AM
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09-28-2009, 08:37 AM
Since this is a little off topic but in the same realm....as far as things claiming to be what they are not. What the F was in Jungle Warfare anyway? I have a bottle but was reluctant to run it because it seemed no one really knew what was in it? Anyone know if it was methyl-atd or something else completely?
09-28-2009, 08:45 AM
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09-28-2009, 02:02 PM
so when will we know what, if any of these will be completely banned? I know a couple of companies are pulling products already, dont know if they were advised to or if they are just getting scared. I sure hope this is all jsut a scare tactic and it blow over quickly.
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09-28-2009, 02:38 PM
Man... this is kinda funny in a sense. People like myself and Iron has been screaming about this crap for awhile now, and nobody wanted to open their eyes and peel their lips off some company ass, even with their health in possible jeopardy.
The Historic PES Legend
09-28-2009, 02:39 PM
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