results from the FDA supplement tests for the BB.com Raid so far.

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  1. Since this is a little off topic but in the same realm....as far as things claiming to be what they are not. What the F was in Jungle Warfare anyway? I have a bottle but was reluctant to run it because it seemed no one really knew what was in it? Anyone know if it was methyl-atd or something else completely?


  2. Quote Originally Posted by kjkriston View Post
    Since this is a little off topic but in the same realm....as far as things claiming to be what they are not. What the F was in Jungle Warfare anyway? I have a bottle but was reluctant to run it because it seemed no one really knew what was in it? Anyone know if it was methyl-atd or something else completely?
    JW has gone through many "reformulation." the org was suppose to have a mild PH in it but hard to trust any company that does that once... so who knows... but most people report the newer stuff is not close to the older stuff.
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  3. I knew Dr. D was creator of Glycbol but didn't know what else his stamp was on.

  4. so when will we know what, if any of these will be completely banned? I know a couple of companies are pulling products already, dont know if they were advised to or if they are just getting scared. I sure hope this is all jsut a scare tactic and it blow over quickly.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by texastweeter View Post
    so when will we know what, if any of these will be completely banned? I know a couple of companies are pulling products already, dont know if they were advised to or if they are just getting scared. I sure hope this is all jsut a scare tactic and it blow over quickly.
    this one is not blowing over, its changing the industry.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by hard iron View Post
    anybody catch the mass tabs up there ? ^^^^^turns out they WERE Superdrol...haha S.O.B. solved that mystery i guess ha.
    LMAO i love you man this just seemed soo funny to me

  7. Quote Originally Posted by mw1 View Post
    How about what the Bold tested to be????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!
    ok can anyone explain to em this, wat did it test to be> is it strong>?

  8. Quote Originally Posted by MC Gun View Post
    This is a copy of the email l sent to the FDA the email address is [email protected] send them your opinion of their stupidity. Here is the email l sent;

    Great so instead of cleaning up the tobacco industry and the fast food
    industry which are the 2 main reasons your country has health care
    problems you go after the health food industry and target bodybuilding
    supplements. WHAT A MAJOR FAILURE OF YOUR RESOURCES . When are going
    to do something that will really make a difference when you stop
    pandering to the tobacco companies and fast food companies.
    --

    The goverment makes about 12 billion dollars off taxing the tobacco companies each year. 2nd highest revenue stream for the goverment, behind personal taxes. It's not going anywhere.
    ~ Nothing can kill the Grimace!!


  9. dpfisher
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    Quote Originally Posted by jay21 View Post
    ok can anyone explain to em this, wat did it test to be> is it strong>?
    I'm guessing because the "bold" (1,4AD) is a modified version of that base (4AD) it shows up the same on whatever test they were using. I believe it's exactly what it was claimed to be, or trace amounts leftover from manufacturing. Note: I am not a chemist.

  10. Quote Originally Posted by jay21 View Post
    ok can anyone explain to em this, wat did it test to be> is it strong>?
    It contains 4-ad.
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  11. the original right? which means that actually that supps is VERYY potent>?

  12. What are you trying to say?
    Quote Originally Posted by jay21 View Post
    the original right? which means that actually that supps is VERYY potent>?

  13. Quote Originally Posted by jay21 View Post
    the original right? which means that actually that supps is VERYY potent>?
    Yea if you took enough of it. The thing we don't know is how much 4-ad is in it. Also, all 6-bromo supplements contain some amount of 4-ad, but how much, we don't know... It may be a very small amount due to the manufacturing process, but the more effective ones might well be full of it - who knows?

  14. Man... this is kinda funny in a sense. People like myself and Iron has been screaming about this crap for awhile now, and nobody wanted to open their eyes and peel their lips off some company ass, even with their health in possible jeopardy.
    The Historic PES Legend

  15. Eh, what to do?
    At least some are waking up now.
    Quote Originally Posted by DAdams91982 View Post
    Man... this is kinda funny in a sense. People like myself and Iron has been screaming about this crap for awhile now, and nobody wanted to open their eyes and peel their lips off some company ass, even with their health in possible jeopardy.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Iron Lungz View Post
    Eh, what to do?
    At least some are waking up now.
    Cyno-what?
    The Historic PES Legend

  17. Quote Originally Posted by Liftingstud View Post
    JW has gone through many "reformulation." the org was suppose to have a mild PH in it but hard to trust any company that does that once... so who knows... but most people report the newer stuff is not close to the older stuff.
    This si the green label bottle. If I am correct the claim from ALRI....shady bastards that they are.....was it had methyl-atd in it. People started claiming that it had a ph in it.......just trying to see what I've got, and if it can be used without PCT.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Kristofer68SS View Post
    this one is not blowing over, its changing the industry.
    The industry needs a enema.

  19. agreed....just hope the "new" batch that will emerge will do it quickly, effectively and with some ingenuity.
  20. dpfisher
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristofer68SS View Post
    this one is not blowing over, its changing the industry.
    The next loophole will be packages, 3 bottles of all natural compounds and a label that says

    WARNING: DO NOT MIX THESE TOGETHER WITH DRAIN CLEANER, PAINT STRIPPER, ADD CONCRETE CLEANER TO NEUTRAL PH, CONCENTRATE AND CONSUME 50MG PER DAY WITH APPROPRIATE PCT

  21. Quote Originally Posted by dpfisher View Post
    The next loophole will be packages, 3 bottles of all natural compounds and a label that says

    WARNING: DO NOT MIX THESE TOGETHER WITH DRAIN CLEANER, PAINT STRIPPER, ADD CONCRETE CLEANER TO NEUTRAL PH, CONCENTRATE AND CONSUME 50MG PER DAY WITH APPROPRIATE PCT
    The issues is really solved like this...

    *walks into gym* "hey big joe, can I buy some of your steroids?"

    done...

    Well obviously alot more complicated, but really its fueling people to go from legal to illegal.

    Though honestly I have slowed my roll to consider the risks in the last few days. And unless something falls in my lap, I will be perfectly happy being natural forever. Some of it comes from arguing with iron,D, and Bfifty...

    I still want my freedoms though -,-

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Zero V View Post
    Some of it comes from arguing with iron,D, and Bfifty...
    We do it out of love, man.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Iron Lungz View Post
    We do it out of love, man.
    Some of it I suspect lol. I have grown alot thanks to many conflicts on this board (say my more original faith based ones, eh?) But sometimes not.

    And thanks on a side not lol.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by kjkriston View Post
    This is the green label bottle. If I am correct the claim from ALRI....shady bastards that they are.....was it had methyl-atd in it. People started claiming that it had a ph in it.......just trying to see what I've got, and if it can be used without PCT.
    ^ In reference to Jungle warfare

    Not trying to be obnoxious but does anyone have any other info on this stuff.....

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Zero V View Post
    The issues is really solved like this...

    *walks into gym* "hey big joe, can I buy some of your steroids?"

    done...

    Well obviously alot more complicated, but really its fueling people to go from legal to illegal.

    Though honestly I have slowed my roll to consider the risks in the last few days. And unless something falls in my lap, I will be perfectly happy being natural forever. Some of it comes from arguing with iron,D, and Bfifty...

    I still want my freedoms though -,-
    One thing to remember though. It was always illegal to sell actual steroids as dietary supplements..

    If it the write up on product xxx portrays things in a certain way then it can be deemed as making medical claims which is also in violation because then it isn't a dietary supplement.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by hardknock View Post
    One thing to remember though. It was always illegal to sell actual steroids as dietary supplements..

    If it the write up on product xxx portrays things in a certain way then it can be deemed as making medical claims which is also in violation because then it isn't a dietary supplement.
    True I have come to realize this being one of the bigger issues.

    What could they have labeled it. It was really not a supplement. But in all honesty it could have been allowed to be legal nad marketed under a different category of product. Were talking behind the counter, show me your ID kinda stuff. You know how liqueur is controlled, but sold. Same deal.

  27. so...the chart says "basis for probable cause." so do you think the ingredients listed are actually what the FDA found in the products or just what they suspect are in them? And Mass Tabs definitely disappoint me if they are Superdrol.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by heath1225 View Post
    so...the chart says "basis for probable cause." so do you think the ingredients listed are actually what the FDA found in the products or just what they suspect are in them? And Mass Tabs definitely disappoint me if they are Superdrol.
    I don't recall the tests saying what the amount was in terms of mg per capsule (fda testing). Mass tabs say 30mg or whatever it does say, so some assumed the fda found 30mg of SD. Yet, it may be 2mg of SD and 27 mg of filler.

    I don't know if the fda allows a variance when it comes to steroid compounds being included in a mixture as the same as insects are allowed in canned goods (what is it, 1 percent of a line of can goods can have a bug or two?) I am pretty sure there is no variance for drugs in a mixture of a 'supplement' but I'm not sure as I stated.

  29. This could possibly be the start of a team of rogue chemists trying to garner the FDA's attention, in order to get the goverment to actually regulate the supplement industry. It should be regulated.

    Thats one theory, but overall, this thing thats happening not just in these bodybuilding, but in the health industry.

    I was right before, and my comments were taking of the site. Because the people who have money in control, not the many people who make comments.

    It was obvious the SX contained something greater than what was labeled.

    Haha, i might actually buy some now, that i know whats in it.

    Lot of products, have now been shown to be spiked with something.

    An attack on the pharmeceutical industry, it could possibly be.

    Rogue chemists wanting to give us our free liberties to use whatever substance we want,possibly.

  30. Quote Originally Posted by Zero V View Post
    True I have come to realize this being one of the bigger issues.

    What could they have labeled it. It was really not a supplement. But in all honesty it could have been allowed to be legal nad marketed under a different category of product. Were talking behind the counter, show me your ID kinda stuff. You know how liqueur is controlled, but sold. Same deal.
    Perhaps in some strange turn of events, it could/they could have been marketed for prescription purposes only. But that would only be through big pharma. There is no way that these small supp companies could possibly fund thje actual creation of a steroid as big pharma puts out millions of dollars and years of research. And I highly doubt that any of these small 'supp' companies would be given license to perform it.

    So, in essence, it is like I've been saying all the time, they will eventually put you in a catch 22 position. You can't do one without the other and you can't do the other because you are not licensed...rock and a hard spot.
  

  
 

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