gibb's "instead of pinning" cycle

[gibbob2]

Alright, so some of you might be aware that I decided not to pinn, or lets say I could nto bring myself to pinn.... IF you aren't here is the link to cathc you up to speed.

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/102012-yup-s-official.html#post1501232

That being said all the gear is gone, so please don't post disrespectfull stuff like "I'll take it off your hands" and "guess your nto ready for REAL gains then"

THis is the proposed cycle instead of pinning.

week 1: Havoc 20mg ED / Dostinex .5mg Bi-week
week 2: Havoc 20mg ED / Dostinex .5mg Bi-week
week 3: Havoc 20mg ED / Dostinex .5mg Bi-week
week 4: Havoc 20mg ED / Anavar 50mg ED / a-dex .25mg EOD / Dostinex .5mg Bi-week
week 5: Havoc 20mg ED / Anavar 50mg ED / a-dex .25mg EOD / Dostinex .5mg Bi-week
week 6: Havoc 20mg ED / Anavar 50mg ED / a-dex .25mg EOD / Dostinex .5mg Bi-week
week 7: Clomid 100mg ED / Nolva 30mg ED / Dostinex .5mg Bi-week
week 8: Clomid 100mg ED / Nolva 20mg ED / Dostinex .5mg Bi-week
week 9: Clomid 50mg ED / Nolva 20mg ED / Dostinex .5mg Bi-week
week 10: Nolva 10mg ED / Dostinex .5mg Bi-week

Why I picked each iteam used in this cycle.

Havoc: Dry gains, little estrogen problems, not TERRIBLE for the liver.
Anavar: Increased strength, little sides, not aromatising.
A-dex: I had it on hand for the planned test cycle, not sure if I need it or not... Also nto starting to use it until I start the anavar, btu still nto sure I need it then.
Dostinex: Help with busting a nut and possible prolactin issues.
Nolva: tried tested and true, I am aware this is a very dry cycle, but I would like to avoid estrogen rebound if at all possible. I've got enough on hand for... well lets just say I have a lot on hand.
Clomid: Bring back my balls. I also have this on hand because i was planning on using it for the test cycle i had lined up.
Cialis: although not listed in the layout, I have it on hand, I am aware that a few people had "wood" problems while on a cycle as dry as this one. Better same then sorry.

A little about me: I am terrified of gyno. HENCE the dry cycle and overpercautions with estrogen issues. I don't expect much from this cycle other then single digit increase in weight and increased strength.

My training style: I hit the gym 4 days a week by myself, and 3 more days with my girl. When I am by myself I train heavy as ****, every body part, usually only three exercises and 3 work sets to absolute failure, almost always free weights. When I go with my girl, it is usually less intense, more about getting a pump on, higher reps, and much lower reps.

Food is spot on, I am borderline anal retentive with tracking it. this is a typical day for me.

Meal Protein Fat Carbs Calories
Meal 1
Breakfast -12 egg white
-1 cup oatmeal blended with -1 cup skim milk
Meal 2
Pre-W-O -10oz chicken
-.5c brown rice
-.5 avocado
Meal 3 PWO - 2 Scoop Whey
- 2 scoop Carb Slam
Meal 4
PWOM -10oz Sirloin
- Sweet Pot, 2*5
- 1tblspoon olive oil
Meal 5
Pre-Work - 10oz Chicken
- .5c brown rice
- .5 avocado
Meal 6
At Work - 2 scoops Whey Protein
- Banana 48g
Meal 7
Pre-Bed - 6 egg whites
- 1 cup asparagus or peppers
- 1 scoop Whey Protein
total macros for the day.
Protein: 402g
Fat:107g
Carbs:366g
Cal:4031

This link will include my stats because I am sure some of you are gonna say post experience, past cycle, bla bla bla

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/91720-watch-me-grow.html

That was my last cycle. Unfortunately I am starting a new job and propable wont be logging this one. However i will also be usign get diesel 2010 or whatever the new test booster is in post cycle thanks to chuck and log that sh1t for sure!

Other supps taken are
Himilaya liver care,
milk thistle
vitamin e
vitamin c
coral calcium
cissus
melatonin
and the derek anthony intraworkout shake.


FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT ARE SKIMMERS: THIS CYCLE GOAL IS TO CAUSE NO ISSUES IN THE BEDROOM, i HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THAT WITH PAST CYCLE! AND LITTLE ESTROGEN PROBLEMS (GYNO) AND MODERATE SIZE GAINS

 

[holyintellect]

OK...lets see here...first off, var for only 3 weeks really isnt the best way to go with it....50mgs is about the least I would go with for a male, but it really needs to be longer. You're not going to need the arimidex....I wouldnt waste it simply to use it for the sake of using it. I think you can use just nolva and clomid as ancillaries here and nothing else...

holy

 

[gibbob2]

perfect, thanks holy

so drop the adex, drop the dostinex, up the var (safe to stay on var for 5 weeks?)... something like this?

week 1: Havoc 20mg ED
week 2: Havoc 20mg ED / Anavar 50mg ED
week 3: Havoc 20mg ED / Anavar 50mg ED
week 4: Havoc 20mg ED / Anavar 75mg ED
week 5: Havoc 20mg ED / Anavar 75mg ED
week 6: Havoc 20mg ED / Anavar 75mg ED
week 7: Clomid 100mg ED / Nolva 30mg ED
week 8: Clomid 100mg ED / Nolva 20mg ED
week 9: Clomid 50mg ED / Nolva 20mg ED
week 10: Nolva 10mg ED

 

[Royd The Noyd]

I'd run the var the entire time. Lower the clomid to 75mg's to start. 10mg's nolva. Your overdoing it a bit on the serm side of things imho.

I'd expect vascularity more then strength from var.

 

[animaleater2]

agree with abvove poster. The anavar dose is fine but to short to see appreciable gains.

 

[holyintellect]

If you can, run the var the entire time...if not, 5 weeks will be OK, just not optimal.

holy

 

[gibbob2]

sounds good, how bout this....

week 1: Havoc 20mg ED
week 2: Havoc 20mg ED / Anavar 50mg ED
week 3: Havoc 20mg ED / Anavar 50mg ED
week 4: Havoc 20mg ED / Anavar 70mg ED
week 5: Havoc 20mg ED / Anavar 70mg ED
week 6: Havoc 20mg ED / Anavar 80mg ED
week 7: Avavar 80mg ED
week 8: Anavar 80mg ED
week 9: Clomid 100mg ED / Nolva 30mg ED
week 10: Clomid 100mg ED / Nolva 20mg ED
week 11: Clomid 50mg ED / Nolva 20mg ED
week 12: Nolva 10mg ED

Also, what are your thoughts on the dostinex? Ever used it, I know it might not be required, but when on cycle if I have any troubles in the bedroom, it's usually that it takes to ****ing long to "finish". Would this actually help?

 

[tnick7]

I would prefer to run Havoc at higher doses IMO. You could run the havoc for a shorter period of time, but at a higher dose.

For PCT I think Clomid 100/50/50 with Nolva 20/20/10/10 is PLENTY, no need to go above those doses.

I agree with Holly as well the var is underdosed, even running it 50-80mg seems a little low IMO (I think 70-100mg is a better dose). I would run it more like this (or something along these lines):

Cycle:
Havoc 20/30/30/30/20
Anavar _/__/70/70/80/90/90/100

PCT:
Clomid 100/50/50
Nolva 20/20/10/10

 

[gibbob2]

thanks man, that works for me. I have no problem buying more var, but for some reason I don't want to buy another bottle of havoc. (especially if only to use half of it)

I think this is what I will be doing:

week 1: Havoc 20mg ED
week 2: Havoc 20mg ED / Anavar 70mg ED
week 3: Havoc 30mg ED / Anavar 80mg ED
week 4: Havoc 30mg ED / Anavar 90mg ED
week 5: Havoc 20mg ED / Anavar 90mg ED
week 6: Anavar 100mg ED
week 7: Avavar 100mg ED
week 8: Clomid 100mg ED / Nolva 30mg ED
week 9: Clomid 75mg ED / Nolva 20mg ED
week 10: Clomid 50mg ED / Nolva 20mg ED
week 11: Nolva 10mg ED