[austink3417]

After talking to a few members of DC, seeing how the two newbies popped their cherries and keep upping the dosages, and lastly due to all the shvt i've been stocking up on, my first cycle ever will be the following:

winztrol: 300/300/300/300/300/300
furazadrol: 300/200/200/200/150/150
h-drol: 50/75/100/100/125/150

A member of DC came up with the dosing but i'll keep that b/t me and him until all the feedback gets done. pembrook also gave me some feedback though i don't think he was to thrilled with the dosing of h-drol

fish oil, bcaa, on whey, multi are the usuals

i have hawthorne berry, milk thistle, cycle support, and super cissus to run during. i'm thinking of picking up some saw palmetto, but am pretty sure this won't be to harsh on hair. either way i'll probably get some. i could use some feedback on hawthorne berry and milk thistle as i've read to pre-load but don't know how much.

pct: dth, 6 oxo, nolva, lean xtreme, and will pick up some creatine mono. dth will start a week before pct (right?), 6 oxo will start the 3rd week (and run 100/200/300/200/100), and Tamoxifen Citrate will be 40/40/20/20. I also have pcs. i originally bought the epistane, cs, and pcs, but started reading about all the hairloss issues with epistane and dropped that idea. So should i run the cs and pcs for this cycle?

any feedback would be great. i'm heading to a wedding about half way through this month. That will be my last time drinking for a long time so i plan on drinking the whole state dry (its in RI so it won't be that hard) and then i will jump into this about a week after. So i have b/t now and then to finalize the details.

I do construction in south florida so i'm pretty active and will run my calories at about 5000. Does this sound about right?

[crazyfool405]

i think hdrol for 6 weeks then starting week4 epistane would be great

total 8 weeks. your dosing is quit high on the Hdrol i wouldnt goto 150, id stay around 100 or so. epistane 30mg is legit.

i wouldnt run winztrol and furazabol together, you need to see how you react to a specific compound..... thats y i suggested the hdrol /epistane 8 week total

some may disagree with the length but hdrol you need to wait till week 3 before big gains., 5 weeks can even work for hdrol and if you do 5 weeks start at week 3 for the epi

see where im going?

if you can get nolva get aromasin, and run them nolva 3 weeks 20mg per day 10mg last day.... and aromasin starting week 2 at 20mg per day and run that till week 4 and last day do 10 mg... then off...

that help?

[king1033]

crazy dosages man you want my honest opinion just run injectable gear your gonna **** yourself up so bad runnning those oral's at those dosages.

[austink3417]

Originally Posted by king1033

crazy dosages man you want my honest opinion just run injectable gear your gonna **** yourself up so bad runnning those oral's at those dosages.

only one is a methyl compound, don't think think it will be too bad, but i do want feedback so keep it coming

[TimberLakers]

Christ dude... That's a lot of orals. This is gonna give you some pink *hit.

[austink3417]

Originally Posted by TimberLakers

Christ dude... That's a lot of orals. This is gonna give you some pink *hit.

talk to one of your crew. they created the madness

[ThisGuy2]

Originally Posted by king1033

crazy dosages man you want my honest opinion just run injectable gear your gonna **** yourself up so bad runnning those oral's at those dosages.

I'm afraid I gotta disagree, king. Crazyfool, afraid I disagree with you too. People need to stop saying, "just shoot real juice". Injectables are not free of dangers. On the contrary. They require careful planning and preperation, same as orals. Orals CAN be run properly and effectively while minimizing the negative sides. Many, many, many of us on here have done so many times. It's all about preperation.

Winztrol is almost 100% side free (and I speak from experience...many experiences). Same w/ furaz. Both those compounds are non-methyls, so there's no fear of liver damage. With hdrol one needs a little more caution, but he's starting low.

Austin, you just need to make sure to pay close attention to your body. You may not need to go as high as 150mg on the h-drol, but then again, like T-lake, you may find that your body feels totally cool with it. G-mack's on 50mg of epi, and its his first run, and he's experiencing nothing but good times. You've done your homework, your ancillaries seem to be all lined up, your pct looks solid (though some might have differing opinions on the dosing for the 6oxo, I like it).

1 note on support supps, preload both your hawthorn and milk thistle for a week before you start. Not sure the best dosage, because I have preloaded mixes, but TG will know. I'll shoot him and the other guys a PM right now.

[TimberLakers]

Don't blame them... You're being far too aggressive for your first run.

[ThisGuy2]

Originally Posted by austink3417

talk to one of your crew. they created the madness

Guilty.

T-lake, what's the big deal bro? I'm eating winztrol and furazadrol like skittles and it's all gravy.

In my defense, Austin said, "don't give me the bullsh!t, this is what I've got, what should I do with it?", and I said, "here's how I'd use it." And what he failed to mention is he weighs 230lb. He's not exactly a lightweight. I'm rocking the same compounds and a few more at higher dosages and I weigh nearly 40lb less.

Austin, if you feel any anxiety about it, drop the dosages, or maybe drop a compound all together. The furazadrol w/ the hdrol would make a nice cut and you can save the win to stack w/ ANYTHING.

[austink3417]

Originally Posted by TimberLakers

Don't blame them... You're being far too aggressive for your first run.

it was more of a joke...........i'll try it, see what happens and go from there. if adjustments need to be made, then i'll make them

[TimberLakers]

Just because its not methylated doesn't mean its not hepatoxic... just sayin.

He might react differently than you do...

Not sayin you don't know what you're doing... You're just a maniac... Give it to him sloooowly.

hahah.

[Ziquor]

Originally Posted by TimberLakers

Just because its not methylated doesn't mean its not hepatoxic... just sayin.

He might react differently than you do...

Not sayin you don't know what you're doing... You're just a maniac... Give it to him sloooowly.

hahah.

Excellent point. Almost any oral chemical will illicit some type of hepatic strain, even if it's minimal. A good example is Anavar, which has been shown to be less liver toxic than certain non-methyls.

[austink3417]

Originally Posted by TimberLakers

Just because its not methylated doesn't mean its not hepatoxic... just sayin.

He might react differently than you do...

Not sayin you don't know what you're doing... You're just a maniac... Give it to him sloooowly.

hahah.

i hear ya dude, that's what this is all about, getting feedback and going from there. all opinions are welcome, that's what i want. i definately do not know everything and will not act like i do. if i did, i wouldn't be on this web-site......i still want to go eat my stash right now though

[ThisGuy2]

Originally Posted by TimberLakers

Just because its not methylated doesn't mean its not hepatoxic... just sayin.

He might react differently than you do...

Not sayin you don't know what you're doing... You're just a maniac... Give it to him sloooowly.

hahah.

I took that in to account!!! Otherwise I would've told him to snort it, blow his nose, cook the snot up, and mainline it!

My initial advice, if I'm not mistaken, was actually to start the furaz at 150 and just maintain winztrol at 200mg throughout...but the guy is 230lb! He's a BIG dude. But you might be right.

Austin, you might want to reconsider starting the winztrol and furaz at that high dosage and tapering, and instead go the other way. Everyone seems to agree on those as the most effective dosages, but you could always build up to it, maybe hit it at week 3 or 4.

TG, where are you??? I'd love to see what the big guy thinks about this stack.