[UnrealMachine]

You should run compounds 1 at a time to see how you respond to them

This is common knowledge. I think 3 orals of any kind is a pretty dumb cycle, especially a first cycle.

[TimberLakers]

Originally Posted by ThisGuy2

Once the hawthorn kicks in, mine literally hits 120/80 and doesn't budge.

Cholesterol... I have no clue really. Could be off the charts, but I only have 20 days left on cycle...

[austink3417]

Originally Posted by TimberLakers

I've said my piece... I'm interested in this cycle. Would like pre / post pics and I'll definitey sub when you get it poppin.

i'll def get some pics before, i want to get some feedback on my workout too before I start this. i wanted to post this tomorrow but there is a lot of replys going on now so i might just suck it up and put it up here now

[TimberLakers]

Originally Posted by austink3417

i'll def get some pics before, i want to get some feedback on my workout too before I start this. i wanted to post this tomorrow but there is a lot of replys going on now so i might just suck it up and put it up here now

Suck it up *itch.

[king1033]

Originally Posted by ThisGuy2

I'm afraid I gotta disagree, king. Crazyfool, afraid I disagree with you too. People need to stop saying, "just shoot real juice". Injectables are not free of dangers. On the contrary. They require careful planning and preperation, same as orals. Orals CAN be run properly and effectively while minimizing the negative sides. Many, many, many of us on here have done so many times. It's all about preperation.

Winztrol is almost 100% side free (and I speak from experience...many experiences). Same w/ furaz. Both those compounds are non-methyls, so there's no fear of liver damage. With hdrol one needs a little more caution, but he's starting low.

Austin, you just need to make sure to pay close attention to your body. You may not need to go as high as 150mg on the h-drol, but then again, like T-lake, you may find that your body feels totally cool with it. G-mack's on 50mg of epi, and its his first run, and he's experiencing nothing but good times. You've done your homework, your ancillaries seem to be all lined up, your pct looks solid (though some might have differing opinions on the dosing for the 6oxo, I like it).

1 note on support supps, preload both your hawthorn and milk thistle for a week before you start. Not sure the best dosage, because I have preloaded mixes, but TG will know. I'll shoot him and the other guys a PM right now.

have you run real juice before?... if not i dont think u can compare, (even if you had buddies) everyone just popping these PH's and oral only steroid cycles need to stop its getting a little rediculous your gonna end up hurting yourself. if anything running a 10 week test only cycle at 500mg a week would provide superior gains than any Ph's and otc steroids could ever supply SAFeLY!!!!! Whatever then again what do i know right?? i think its pointless to justify oral steroid consumption and i think its silly to call h-drol a MILD compound. i have blood work as proof that it ****s up your hormone levels (h-drol specifically). whatever in the end youll believe what u want, because whatever sounds good must be good right?? catch my drift. i dunno i dont really feel like fighting your justification as to why people need to stop saying just shoot real juice cause it just sounds like it couldnt be explained to you. .02

[ThisGuy2]

Originally Posted by TimberLakers

Suck it up *itch.

yeah, get to it!

[TimberLakers]

Yeah, no one needs to take this stuff personally... Its not personal attacks. Different strokes man.

Personally I'm not ready to stick needles in me. I KNOW H-drol messes with hormone levels... that's pretty much the point with steriods in general. That's why PCT is important, as well as constant monitoring and listening to you body.

[ThisGuy2]

Originally Posted by king1033

have you run real juice before?... if not i dont think u can compare, (even if you had buddies) everyone just popping these PH's and oral only steroid cycles need to stop its getting a little rediculous your gonna end up hurting yourself. if anything running a 10 week test only cycle at 500mg a week would provide superior gains than any Ph's and otc steroids could ever supply SAFeLY!!!!! Whatever then again what do i know right?? i think its pointless to justify oral steroid consumption and i think its silly to call h-drol a MILD compound. i have blood work as proof that it ****s up your hormone levels (h-drol specifically). whatever in the end youll believe what u want, because whatever sounds good must be good right?? catch my drift. i dunno i dont really feel like fighting your justification as to why people need to stop saying just shoot real juice cause it just sounds like it couldnt be explained to you. .02

First cycle was an 8 weeker of sust...'bout 10 years ago...so yeah, I know somethign about injectables. My point w/ pinning is the same one you're making w/ hdrol being mild. Saying it's "safer" is bullsh!t. What the fcuk does S"safer" mean in the scope of all this? Less risk? Ok. But there are risks just the same and going with either is a conscious decision to face those risks. A lot of people don't want to pin not necessarily because of the needle, but perhaps because of the stigma, or the buying illegal compunds, or any number of other reasons.

Don't get this sh!t twisted, I'm not by any means trying to say any of this is safe! Not the phs, not the injectables, not what I'm doing, nor what you're doing nor what he wants to do nor what any of the other guys on this section of the board or getting into. ALL of it involves risks to your health. That's all I was trying to say.

There was no need to get all condescending. And I hate to break it to you, but shooting "real juice" doesn't make you fcukin' yoda.

[ThisGuy2]

Originally Posted by TimberLakers

Yeah, no one needs to take this stuff personally... Its not personal attacks. Different strokes man.

Personally I'm not ready to stick needles in me. I KNOW H-drol messes with hormone levels... that's pretty much the point with steriods in general. That's why PCT is important, as well as constant monitoring and listening to you body.

Well said brother. I'd rep you, but it seems I need to spread the love first.

[TimberLakers]

Originally Posted by ThisGuy2

Well said brother. I'd rep you, but it seems I need to spread the love first.

Ditto.

[austink3417]

i'm out....i'll post my workout tomorrow. also, any feedback about calorie intake would be great. my workout right now is a combination of super sets of opposite muscle (back followed by chest; bi's followed by tri's) with a given amount of time b/t sets (no longer then 90 seconds). i don't know if this goes with my cycle so i'm going to try and read up on it tomorrow and let you know what i come up with. i really like killing my traps so if anyone has some random a** exercise for these let me know

[king1033]

Originally Posted by ThisGuy2

First cycle was an 8 weeker of sust...'bout 10 years ago...so yeah, I know somethign about injectables. My point w/ pinning is the same one you're making w/ hdrol being mild. Saying it's "safer" is bullsh!t. What the fcuk does S"safer" mean in the scope of all this? Less risk? Ok. But there are risks just the same and going with either is a conscious decision to face those risks. A lot of people don't want to pin not necessarily because of the needle, but perhaps because of the stigma, or the buying illegal compunds, or any number of other reasons.

Don't get this sh!t twisted, I'm not by any means trying to say any of this is safe! Not the phs, not the injectables, not what I'm doing, nor what you're doing nor what he wants to do nor what any of the other guys on this section of the board or getting into. ALL of it involves risks to your health. That's all I was trying to say.

There was no need to get all condescending. And I hate to break it to you, but shooting "real juice" doesn't make you fcukin' yoda.

then why would u disagree with me if all u were just speaking was defensive truism.
yea true sky is blue grass is green blah blah blah... nice star wars reference *******.

[UNCfan1]

I glanced at the posts and really just looked at the cycle you gave. Honestly running Fura/Winny is pointless since they will give similar results. The fura(parent compound) being 2x stronger on most steroid profile sites.

From personal experience my first run was with Halodrol-50/Orastan-E(winny designer). I loved it and ran the halo 50mg for 4 weeks with 200-300mg of O/E.

I did 0 cardio and still lost 15lbs. It wasn't my intention but I looked awesome. I gained a little size, alot of strength. I could have asked for a better cycle.

I would personally run the hdrol at 75-100mg with 250-300mg of Fura for 5-6 weeks if you have enough.

[UNCfan1]

Originally Posted by king1033

have you run real juice before?... if not i dont think u can compare, (even if you had buddies) everyone just popping these PH's and oral only steroid cycles need to stop its getting a little rediculous your gonna end up hurting yourself. if anything running a 10 week test only cycle at 500mg a week would provide superior gains than any Ph's and otc steroids could ever supply SAFeLY!!!!! Whatever then again what do i know right?? i think its pointless to justify oral steroid consumption and i think its silly to call h-drol a MILD compound. i have blood work as proof that it ****s up your hormone levels (h-drol specifically). whatever in the end youll believe what u want, because whatever sounds good must be good right?? catch my drift. i dunno i dont really feel like fighting your justification as to why people need to stop saying just shoot real juice cause it just sounds like it couldnt be explained to you. .02

I hate to have to quote this whole phrase but what were your test levels like after your H-drol cycle? Length and doses too if you don't mind.