Was Lance on any sort of drugs?
08-10-2006 03:06 PM
Was Lance on any sort of drugs?
Just curious what you all think, considering I hear that the sport is dirty as hell... and god knows how a clean lance (or anyone else) could keep up with everyone ON
08-10-2006 04:19 PM
lets be serious, he was taking something. Sure he may have been on meds for his cancer etc, but you do not do what lance did unless you are both a genetic freak AND getting that extra 10% from that 110% right in the ass via a needle.
if not steroids, igf-1 or growth hormone without a doubt.
IMO it doesnt change the fact that he was the best in his time. After all, everyone else was doing it as well. In other words it WAS a level playing field.
08-10-2006 06:39 PM
08-10-2006 08:16 PM
most likely EPO, or something similar along with GH, igf-1. I think they all do it, he just did it BEST. That's why he hasn't been caught.
08-10-2006 10:34 PM
Let's just say I am not a big fan of Lance Armstrong....
08-10-2006 10:54 PM
Do they measure test/ball to epitest ratio? Or just test to epitest ratio? ... sorry
08-11-2006 03:09 PM
I'm sure he was doing something, but I'm also sure everyone else was too - so yes, I think it's a fairly level playing field. Doesn't take away from any of his accomplishments in my eyes.
Look at the number of small idiots in the gym taking juice hoping that it will make up for laziness and a bad diet. Lance Armstrong is genetically gifted and very talented, and did not win solely by additional pharmacutical help in my opinion.
08-12-2006 08:30 PM
Well said! Why is it that anytime someone achieves unbelievable feats we are all so jealous that we attack them? He's an incredible athlete and he was a friggin pin cushion during the tour, yet they found nothing? (trust me they were trying).
Originally Posted by Rogue Drone
08-13-2006 01:27 AM
It's not an attack on Lance really, as much as it is the rest of the sport and what one must do to level the playing field. Sure, they test everyone, but couldn't one still manipulate test levels to be within the upper range allowed?
08-13-2006 02:11 AM
My personal feeling on the matter is, they should just make it legal, then everyone can make their choice, and all these stupid games would be over. Most will do whatever it takes, I would like to believe that some of these athletes are just that good, but when guys like Hamilton and Landis get caught it's hard to hold on to that faith. With Armstrong we'll never know for sure, he was a seriously gifted athlete regardless as was Lemond, but I just think we've got enough new names to drag around in the mud today.
Originally Posted by NYhomeboy
08-13-2006 07:15 PM
I ride with some pro cyclists, they all do it, the unlucky ones get caught. Granted, Lance is a hell of an athelete, but there's NO WAY IN HELL YOU RECOVER THAT FAST !!! I ride 1-200 miles a week in the summer and saturday, all I do is sleep. I'd love to think he did it naturally, but I know what 100 miles at 24-28 mph average does to me. I don't want to think what a ride at 28-32 mph would do to me. I might try a low dose test cycle next year during the summer to see what it's like for recovery.
ROB- 1488 miles ridden since April 4, 2006
08-13-2006 09:44 PM
I'm with ya, when I was racing I was putting in 3-400miles a week, some of the more elite guys on our team would put at least 500+ a week and always be ready to go. Pro's are at another level, they pretty much live on the saddle, 150miles on flat is recovery for most of them. Your probably right though most them do use something.
Originally Posted by GREENFEATHER
09-08-2006 04:18 AM
I'm not saying he didn't, but with the scrutiny he was under - how does he get away with it? He was probably the most tested rider on the tour and they couldn't nail him even once!
I have to agree with an earlier post, if you want an even playing field, take down all the barriers, and that goes for any sport IMO. Let them do or take what they want and Darwin will take care of the rest from there. Until then the playing field will never be level because there will always be cheaters.
It's like NASCAR, if you really want to find the best car and driver on the track - get rid of all the restrictions. Until then, whoever is in the right place at the right time wins. 20 car pile-ups are cool though.
09-08-2006 10:34 AM
Chemical enhancement is part of cycling. In cycling, it is recognized(quietly) and accepted(quietly).
Armstrong has amazing dedication, talent, and determination and none of those were given to him by chemical enhancement.
Hypothetically, one could give me all the training and drugs possible to make me the best cyclist I could be, and I would still be no where near Armstrong or any other top cyclist. My point, there is more to performance than simply using performance enhancers.
09-08-2006 01:44 PM
If chemical enhancement was completely legal, I believe we would have some of the most exciting sporting events of ALL time. I would actually watch the olympics more.
Man Look at that sprinter go! Who woulda known crack could do that.
09-09-2006 10:10 AM
Originally Posted by diminuendo
not all, but i would say over 75%
09-09-2006 10:54 AM
Now I believe you may be on Crack!! maybe 50% at best, I've known alot of pro althletes and of the ones I've known I'd say 10% were doing something illegal, but I've got a bleak outlook so I'll say 50%. Friggin 75%...no way!!
Originally Posted by spatch
09-10-2006 08:09 AM
I say who really cares! Your getting paided tons of cash to ride a bike, throw a ball etc... If you want to be a little stronger and faster, and NOT get caught, go for it! You only live once be the best you can be no matter what you have to do!
10-08-2006 11:42 PM
well I wouldn't doubt that he used before he got cancer, as gh and igf potentiate any cells and make them grow faster, but afterwords could have been a different story....as he would have known that made his cancer arise??? so i'm still up in the air on this one
10-09-2006 12:13 PM
90% of all riders juice. the ones that dont, suck. (in events that last weeks...you cant recover and ride hard every day unless your have a crit of high 40's and other goodies in your body)(olympic short track races are a different story) riders dont "hit the juice big time" that would cause muscle pumps, weight gain, and high blood pressure. kind of bad for a endurence guy huh? most of those guys use hgh, igf, small amounts of test suspension/topical lotion mixed with test, epo being the biggest, and other things none of you guys know about. Lance had access to the highest ranked "doctors" and to the newest and most integrative drugs. look at landis, he's still denying he ever took PEDs. believe what you want, but your stupid to over look facts and know very little about it in the first place, and say "he's clean"... some people want to believe in someone, and someone like armstrong is that superman someone.
look at it this way. he still was the most talented out of everyone and did bust his ass every single day. but all those guys at the very top do as well.
look at the facts, if you can find them, and then make your own EDUCATED decision about if he doped or not.
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