TO IS GONE!

**shootmeagain** · 11-07-2005, 04:14 PM

I thought the Eagles wide-outs performed well in the game last night. Bobo got it right... the Eagles have a lot of problems to address, not just TO. I think they will struggle to finish out this season but I don't think its the end of the run for them; even if they miss the playoffs this year, I think they'll be back as one of the top contenders next season.

BTW - Sean Salisbury actually said that he feels Jake Plummer ought to get MVP consideration if he continues to play as he has. I don't care to agree, just because I can think of several others I'd put ahead of him, but the idea isn't laughable... unless you expect Jake to go back to form and start tossing picks again.

As for corners, I think Champ was clearly over-hyped, both on draft day and when he came to Denver. By comparison, the Panthers, for example, have a few good corners... including Gamble and Lucas... whom I wouldn't trade for Bailey.

And Bobo, I certainly remember Darrell Green. He was an absolutely terrific player to watch. One of my all-time favorite NFL players.

Giantz11 · 11-07-2005, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobo

Fix what? Their problems are more than TO. In fact that is probably the least of their problems. Their defense isn't as good as last year. Their offense even WITH TO isn't the same. The whole TEAM isn't the same and I honestly think they are mentally and physically exausted. TO just makes that worse. I'm not worried because they have the talent, they have the coaching but they just are tired. I tihnk the same thing is happening to the Patriots. Hell they won the Superbowl 5 years ago then didn't make the playoffs the next year. It happens. They dominated the division for 5 years. They are going to have an off year but unlike many teams the Eagles aren't declining because of age or the lose of personnel. They will be back on top. Its just a matter of time.

Hmmmm.....May have to disagree there, Eagles are declining while a certain other team is gaining ground. We may not be the best team in the NFC East, but Eli and Co are gonna be a handful quite soon. As soon as we can figure out how to defend the pass

**Yukon Cornelius** · 11-07-2005, 04:48 PM

Declining? Don't think so. They are relatively young on both sides of the ball.

Now as much as you WANT to believe they are because your G-men have been god awful for the last couple years and you actually see some light at the end of that dark and dreary tunnel, its not happening.

I don't think the Giants are anything special at all. You have 3 teams in the division that have EXTREMELY soft schedules. Look who you have played. New Orleans, San Fran, Arizona, and next week you have Minnesota?

Compare that to Denver away, Kansas City away, Dallas Away, Atlanta away. Its not even close.

The scedule is a bit tougher for the NFC Champs than it is for a team that went 6-10 last year.

**CEDeoudes59** · 11-07-2005, 04:56 PM

MVP is Tomlinson, no one is even close

**Yukon Cornelius** · 11-07-2005, 05:00 PM

doggzj · 11-07-2005, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by CEDeoudes59

MVP is Tomlinson, no one is even close

Don't you have to be the top player at your position to be MVP?

http://www.nfl.com/stats

**CEDeoudes59** · 11-07-2005, 05:16 PM

touchdowns... LT, and his role on the Chargers

doggzj · 11-07-2005, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by CEDeoudes59

touchdowns... LT, and his role on the Chargers

Alexander has more rushing TDs than LT.
Alexander has played less games
Alexander has more rushing yards
Alexander has LESS carries
Alexander has 5.4 AVERAGE per carry - 1.1 yards more than LT
Alexander has over Twice the ammount of BIG PLAYS

The Seahawks have... Alexander

The Chargers have Gates and LT.

LT has more passing touchdowns
LT has more recieving touchdowns

Alexander is much more valuable to his team. He is the Most Valuable Player

**CEDeoudes59** · 11-07-2005, 05:29 PM

okay settle down, Jesus, we'll see how it plays out.
i guess if the mods agree with you than you're right

**EEmain** · 11-07-2005, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by anabolicrhino

do you think Michael Irvin is behind all of this?Somehow getting TO's confidence,then making him do erratic things( irvins jersey after cowboy loss,the brett favre thing)Ultimately to return the Cowboys to glory...or maybe ESPN with their general anti-philly protocol. Did they make the whole thing up? Do I sound paranoid. I am desperate. What is going on? Help!....is it an illusion that Mcnabb looks much better when he's throwing to Owens?...was he serious when he said it is better to "lose together"..better than what? Should I be posting TO in the "saddest waste of talent thread?

Sir please step away from the bridge! J/K

He has done everything in his power to get out of Philly and now has...

Irvin is using this to further his career
just as TO is using him...

I could go on about all the stuff that has been said, done or rumored said , done. But there is no point.

The Birds made a deal with the Devil and got burnt... MeO is gone, story over.

And for all those they say the Birds don`t pay there PEEPS...

Akers got his injury and all!!!!

doggzj · 11-07-2005, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CEDeoudes59

okay settle down, Jesus, we'll see how it plays out.
i guess if the mods agree with you than you're right

No one gives the Seahawks any love. They are so underrated.

**CEDeoudes59** · 11-07-2005, 05:33 PM

i'll admit that I'm surprised how many TDs Alexander has... So I'll take it back - LT (in my eyes) is the MVP, but not by far. I'm going to predict that whichever team has the better record - their RB will get the MVP

edit: I'll say this because Tomlinson is involved in the passing game quite a bit. But Alexander is the most underrated back in the league. Even though he plays a softer schedule which includes the cardinals and texans once.

**shootmeagain** · 11-07-2005, 05:41 PM

To answer the earlier question, no, you do not have to be statistically at the top in your position to win the MVP. While statistics certainly play into it, being the top RB in rushing yards or TDs or QB in rating or whatever is not the criteria for the award.

That said, I believe you can make an argument for both LT and Alexander. Between those two, at this point in the season, I would give Alexander the nod.

Frankly, I think Steve Smith deserves a good look for MVP.

**CEDeoudes59** · 11-07-2005, 05:45 PM

Yep Smith certainly does, but you got be so dominant at wideout to actaully win... Smith has been great but I feel he'll get overlooked if the panthers aren't the #1 seed

**EEmain** · 11-07-2005, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by LuckyBoy

and now he's done for the season. the eagles suspended him for 4 games and he wont rejoin the team at the end of his suspension. interested in seeing where he goes in the off season, if anywhere.

Be careful what you pray for!

After Carolina beat the Birds all people wanted to talk about was TO is a free agent... look how that turned out... Don`t think Vick will hold up under the bus like D Mc. Vicks alot smaller

**CEDeoudes59** · 11-07-2005, 05:55 PM

player of the year = best player at your position
MVP = Most Valuable player [to your team]

i think i have that right...

oswizzle · 11-07-2005, 06:24 PM

TO is the best wideout in football i didnt think this before the season started but i have to agree his style is no fear when it comes to catching the ball...too bad his big ass mouth is gonna most likely make him end up with a quaterback like Trent Dilfer lol lol

**shootmeagain** · 11-07-2005, 06:30 PM

Today on Jim Rome's radio program he interviewed Joe Montana. One of the questions he posed was something along the lines of, "Joe, what would you do if TO was on your team?" Montana reply was, "Whenever he was open, I'd give him a nod, and then throw it to someone else."

LOL

Before anyone starts to talk about how that wouldn't be smart or blah blah blah... the point was that Montana doesn't think very much of TO and I like the way he put it.