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    Red Sox 2009


    That's right my friends - opening day is just around the corner. The american league east looks to be the best division in baseball this year, and the competition is going to be fierce. It should shape up to be one of the best battles for the AL East title is some time.

    The Sox are balanced in all facets of the game, and our starting pitching looks to be among the best in the league. Let the yankee hate......begin!


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    Gotdam right! Go Sox. That is all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Manback View Post
    Gotdam right! Go Sox. That is all.
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    Sox all the way **** the yankees and rays

    Reps to you both.

    GO SOX, BABY!!!

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    Ha ha. I didn't even have to look at the username under the thread title. I already knew who made it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simmons View Post
    Ha ha. I didn't even have to look at the username under the thread title. I already knew who made it.
    Fo sho'!

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    I may not be a Sox fan, but we can still hate on the Yankees together
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    Quote Originally Posted by simmons View Post
    I may not be a Sox fan, but we can still hate on the Yankees together
    Yes - We can all gather around in unity and proceed to hate on them together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    Yes - We can all gather around in unity and proceed to hate on them together.
    I'll bring the beer.
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    oh christ trauma's at it again!

    ....and you know you have a small place in your heart for the rays. it might be cold and dark but its still there!

    oh i almost forgot..........**** THE YANKEES! god i wanna tea bag half the team...i'll spare jeter and just punch him in the eyeball!
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    Tea-bagging the yankees...now theres a concept.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Manback View Post
    Tea-bagging the yankees...now theres a concept.
    although its not new nor my own...i am perfecting it!
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    I hope the Red Sox win the east this year, I absolutely love them, although they can't go all the way cuz my Twins are gonna take it this year
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    Quote Originally Posted by raginfcktard View Post
    oh christ trauma's at it again!

    ....and you know you have a small place in your heart for the rays. it might be cold and dark but its still there!

    oh i almost forgot..........**** THE YANKEES! god i wanna tea bag half the team...i'll spare jeter and just punch him in the eyeball!
    LOL! - I just spit my drink everywhere!

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    Quote Originally Posted by allstar View Post
    I hope the Red Sox win the east this year, I absolutely love them, although they can't go all the way cuz my Twins are gonna take it this year
    As long as you're not a yankee fan.....welcome, brother.

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    This will get interesting when a yankee fan partakes in the conversation. Albeit the bitching will get old, the controversy shall be entertaining.
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    Any one in a fantasy league?
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    Quote Originally Posted by raginfcktard View Post
    oh christ trauma's at it again!

    ....and you know you have a small place in your heart for the rays. it might be cold and dark but its still there!

    oh i almost forgot..........**** THE YANKEES! god i wanna tea bag half the team...i'll spare jeter and just punch him in the eyeball!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Manback View Post
    This will get interesting when a yankee fan partakes in the conversation. Albeit the bitching will get old, the controversy shall be entertaining.
    Oh don't you worry, they will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allstar View Post
    Any one in a fantasy league?
    I wanted to get one up and running with people here from AM.

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    That would be great, we could get a Yahoo league started up before the 6th, I'd be in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    I wanted to get one up and running with people here from AM.
    If it's feasible, I'm surely in.
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    Good deal. Anyone else interested? Post up in here. I know a few more guys that would want in as well. If we can get this done over the next few days, i'll get a league up and going.

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    I think it would be fun hopefully we can get a few more people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    Good deal. Anyone else interested? Post up in here. I know a few more guys that would want in as well. If we can get this done over the next few days, i'll get a league up and going.
    Looks like we have a lost cause on hand. This is unfortunate, as it would have been alot of fun.
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    Well...the sox home opener is postponed today due to rain. It's all good though; we'll just kick the rays ass tomorrow afternoon instead, woot!

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    well as the lone Yankee fan in here, I laugh at all of you. Sox are balanced? I guess John Smoltz at 40+ in the rotation is balanced


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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    well as the lone Yankee fan in here, I laugh at all of you. Sox are balanced? I guess John Smoltz at 40+ in the rotation is balanced


    Good luck boys
    Smoltz himself has more playoff experience than the entire yankee starting rotation alone; not to mention many of the sox starting rotation are proven and hardened playoff veterans.

    I don't deny the yanks starting rotation is pretty good, and on par with what the sox have to offer overall, but your bullpen has no-where-near the depth in comparison. Outside your closer, everyone else is pretty much unproven (especially middle relief.)

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    Sabathia was absolutely shelled tonight, lol! I think people only saw the good last year with him. Remember his stats with the indians?...he was freakin' aweful! I'll take Jon Lester over that clown anyday as arguably the best lefty in the majors (and lester beat him in the playoffs in '07 ) New York is back in the cellar - right where they belong.

    A 161 million dollar investment, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    Sabathia was absolutely shelled tonight, lol! I think people only saw the good last year with him. Remember his stats with the indians?...he was freakin' aweful! I'll take Jon Lester over that clown anyday as arguably the best lefty in the majors (and lester beat him in the playoffs in '07 ) New York is back in the cellar - right where they belong.

    A 161 million dollar investment, eh?
    I love it!

    Enough said.
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    best lefty in the majors? Lester? (I also guess Johan Santana is a joke too) Wow, Red Sox colored glasses if I have ever seen them. Actually CC won a CY Young with the Indians. Lets not cloud our judgement with 161 games left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    Smoltz himself has more playoff experience than the entire yankee starting rotation alone; not to mention many of the sox starting rotation are proven and hardened playoff veterans.

    I don't deny the yanks starting rotation is pretty good, and on par with what the sox have to offer overall, but your bullpen has no-where-near the depth in comparison. Outside your closer, everyone else is pretty much unproven (especially middle relief.)
    COme on, the one thing that Yanks haver truly lacked over the years has been starting pitching and they now have arguably the best 5 man rotation in baseball. Add in guys back from injury last year (Matsui and Posada) and then make the argument that the regualrs will have an average year, and then add it Cano to be his regular self instead of roughly 40 points below average, and the Yankees will be very, very good.

    I agree about the middle relief. However if the starts can give a good 6-7 on average they should be ok

    The Sox starting rotation is no where near as good, Brad Penny?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    best lefty in the majors? Lester? (I also guess Johan Santana is a joke too) Wow, Red Sox colored glasses if I have ever seen them. Actually CC won a CY Young with the Indians. Lets not cloud our judgement with 161 games left.
    As far as a comparison with sabathia - Yes, lester is a more complete pitcher imo; and better yet, he's playoff proven as well. Not to mention his story speaks volumes in itself. Look around in the baseball world...last year he was being praised as arguable the best lefty in the game all year long. How about that no-hitter to support that case.

    Sabathia was shelled by the orioles? The freakin' orioles - who are probably one of the weakest teams in the entire league. Sabathia was lit-up for 6 earned runs, and 5 walks and 0 strike outs to go with it. Cy young and 161 million dollar man numbers all the way there.


    In regard to santana, he hasn't been the same pitcher since he's been with the mets. He's good, but not dominant like he was at one point.


    Yeah, and what happened the year after his cy young with the indians? The following season with cleveland was absolutely aweful. I think you yankee fans probably expect a lot more than you're going to get from sabathia. The yankees are a team full of mercenaries. That's been their problem for a long time now, because you can put the stars on a team, but you can't produce a team chemistry from that to win a championship.

    Yup - 161 games left. Have fun riding it out in the cellar. I missed the smack talk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reaper329 View Post
    COme on, the one thing that Yanks haver truly lacked over the years has been starting pitching and they now have arguably the best 5 man rotation in baseball. Add in guys back from injury last year (Matsui and Posada) and then make the argument that the regualrs will have an average year, and then add it Cano to be his regular self instead of roughly 40 points below average, and the Yankees will be very, very good.

    I agree about the middle relief. However if the starts can give a good 6-7 on average they should be ok

    The Sox starting rotation is no where near as good, Brad Penny?
    You can't be serious? No where near as good? I think you need to take the yankee blinders off. The sox even in their starting rotation have more depth in terms of pitching. Beckett, Lester, Matsuzaka - arguably the best 1-2-3 men in the game. Not to mention you have wakefield, penny, smoltz, and bucholz to add to the dynamic of balance and depth. The best part - they didn't spend 300+ million to have that rotation either. I don't know what people think is so special about A.J. Burnett either. His career stats aren't impressive by any means for the money he got. He's right around a career .500 pitcher.

    The sox have arguably the best bullpen in the game as well, which further adds to their case. Starting pitching isn't crap if you can't finish out the game. You had better pray your middle relief can at least put up average numbers; if not, it's going to be a long season, brah.

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    our bullpen is balling, and we have one of the best closers in j pappps

    ps. john you know where ill be at 4:05? yea monster seats bayybayy
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    Quote Originally Posted by spres444 View Post
    our bullpen is balling, and we have one of the best closers in j pappps

    ps. john you know where ill be at 4:05? yea monster seats bayybayy
    You bastard!

    Man - i hope to get up to a few games this year, but with the wife being pregnant, i'm not sure if and when. It's just not the same seeing them here in tampa.

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    yea i know its not the same as downing 8$ beers and 5$ hotdogs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    As far as a comparison with sabathia - Yes, lester is a more complete pitcher imo; and better yet, he's playoff proven as well. Not to mention his story speaks volumes in itself. Look around in the baseball world...last year he was being praised as arguable the best lefty in the game all year long. How about that no-hitter to support that case.

    Sabathia was shelled by the orioles? The freakin' orioles - who are probably one of the weakest teams in the entire league. Sabathia was lit-up for 6 earned runs, and 5 walks and 0 strike outs to go with it. Cy young and 161 million dollar man numbers all the way there.


    In regard to santana, he hasn't been the same pitcher since he's been with the mets. He's good, but not dominant like he was at one point.


    Yeah, and what happened the year after his cy young with the indians? The following season with cleveland was absolutely aweful. I think you yankee fans probably expect a lot more than you're going to get from sabathia. The yankees are a team full of mercenaries. That's been their problem for a long time now, because you can put the stars on a team, but you can't produce a team chemistry from that to win a championship.

    Yup - 161 games left. Have fun riding it out in the cellar. I missed the smack talk.
    I will grant you he was off tomorrow, but lets look at last years stats, the year after the cy young

    for the Indians in 2008, 18 starts, 3 complete games, 2 shut outs, 3.83 era (in the fricken American league), I think his stuff with hte Brewers is self explanatory, considering he almost won the cy young in the NL on a half a season.

    In terms of the rotations:
    Beckett, Dice K and Lester v. CC, AJ and Wang? Edge to the Yanks IMO. Also think about Pettite wins 14 last year and has an off year. I will grant you I like Lester as a pitcher and his story is amazing what he overcame. However, his body of work does not compete with CC's at this point

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