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  1. No they don't bro that's impressive man I'm jealout. I'm not dopping any weight on scales which is frusturating, but I can see a difference in def in arms, shoulders, and traps.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurningGreen View Post
    Stats for Week 1:

    Weight -212lb (from 212.4lb) .4lb Weight change
    Body Fat % -11.0% (from 12.7%) 1.7% decrease in BF
    Lbs Fat -23.32 (from 26.5) 3.18lb of fat gone
    Lean Body Mass -188.68lb (from 185.9lb) 2.78lb of muscle gained

    This is pretty unbelievable, but the numbers dont lie and neither does the mirror. Week two starts today.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    I've yet to see any solid evidence that cinnamon does anything for insulin levels. I should probably dig out the meta-analysis from a couple of years ago saying that it is ineffective.
    It is highly recommended with diabetics trying to control their insulin levels with diet, so if it works for them, why would it not work the same for a non-diabetic?

    http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archiv...0/cinn0700.htm

    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/588859

    Rodja, I'm not saying that by adding cinnamon to his diet is going to work miracles, only suggesting it will help. In all the studies I have read, it has been scientifically proven to help regulate insulin sensitivity, not trying to start an argument, just curious as to where you are getting your information from (always up for new research)?
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by packers6211 View Post
    No they don't bro that's impressive man I'm jealout. I'm not dopping any weight on scales which is frusturating, but I can see a difference in def in arms, shoulders, and traps.
    Its all about seeing the difference, I try not to use the scale as a judge of progress but more as a tool. Sounds like you're doing a fine job of using the cycle to recomp.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/252210-greens-climb-top.html#post4548443

  4. Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    It is highly recommended with diabetics trying to control their insulin levels with diet, so if it works for them, why would it not work the same for a non-diabetic?

    http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/AR/archiv...0/cinn0700.htm

    http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/588859

    Rodja, I'm not saying that by adding cinnamon to his diet is going to work miracles, only suggesting it will help. In all the studies I have read, it has been scientifically proven to help regulate insulin sensitivity, not trying to start an argument, just curious as to where you are getting your information from (always up for new research)?
    I'll definitely try the cinnamon, its very inexpensive and hey...it makes stuff taste better (how can I go wrong?).
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/252210-greens-climb-top.html#post4548443

  5. Quote Originally Posted by TurningGreen View Post
    I'll definitely try the cinnamon, its very inexpensive and hey...it makes stuff taste better (how can I go wrong?).
    Agreed! Just curious, how often do you plan to post update pictures?
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  6. Meta-analysis questions cinnamon's diabetes benefits

    1/11/2008 - Despite numerous studies championing the role of cinnamon for diabetes management, a new meta-analysis has raised questions as to the potential benefits of the supplements.

    A meta-analysis of five randomised placebo-controlled trials involving 282 subjects found no significant benefits of cinnamon supplement on glycated haemoglobin (A1C), fasting blood glucose (FBG), or other lipid parameters.

    And even when the researchers, from the University of Connecticut and Hartford Hospital, looked at various sub-groups, no apparent benefits were observed.

    "Cinnamon does not appear to improve A1C, FBG, or lipid parameters in patients with type 1 or type 2 diabetes," wrote lead author William Baker in the journal Diabetes Care.

    An estimated 19 million people are affected by diabetes in the EU 25, equal to four per cent of the total population. This figure is projected to increase to 26 million by 2030.

    In the US, there are over 20 million people with diabetes, equal to seven per cent of the population. The total costs are thought to be as much as $132 billion, with $92 billion being direct costs from medication, according to 2002 American Diabetes Association figures.

    The new meta-analysis challenges other studies that reported potential benefits of the spice. A previous study by the U.S. Department of Agriculture reported in 2003 (Diabetes Care, Vol. 26, pp. 3215-3218) that just 1g of the spice per day reduced blood glucose levels, as well as triglycerides, LDL cholesterol, and total cholesterol in a small group of people with type 2 diabetes.

    A placebo-controlled, double-blind study published in 2006 (Journal of the American College of Nutrition, Vol. 25, pp. 144-150) reported that cinnamon and a cinnamon extract (Cinnulin PF) could reduce blood pressure in spontaneously hypertensive rats (SHR).

    Furthermore, a study published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (June 2007, Vol. 85, pp. 1552-1556) reported that cinnamon could lead to slower emptying of the stomach and reduce the rise in blood sugar after eating.

    However, there have been toxicity concerns over consistent consumption or high doses of whole cinnamon or fat-soluble extracts.

    Indeed, two federal institutes in Germany recently called for cinnamon dietary supplements carrying health claims to reduce blood sugar and help control type-2 diabetes should be classed as 'medicinal products', and regulated as such.

    The joint announcement from the Federal Institute for Medicinal Products and MedicalDevices (BfArM) and the Federal Institute for Risk Assessment (BfR) states their opinion that products marketed with a diabetes health claim should be classified as medicinal products and required to seek marketing authorisation.

    The concerns came about from differing coumarin levels in some products, said to cause liver damage and inflammation when higher doses are taken over a longer period by sensitive individuals.

    Source: Diabetes Care
    January 2008, Volume 31, Pages 41-43, doi: 10.2337/dc07-1711
    "Effect of cinnamon on Glucose Control and Lipid Parameters"
    Authors: W.L. Baker, G. Gutierrez-Williams, C.M. White, J. Kluger, C.I. Coleman
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  7. Day Eight:

    First dose at 0730 with no side effects. Second dose at 1430 with no side effects. Sill running solid on the cycle not showing any signs of PH side effects (have a couple zits on my forehead which is not normal for me but not sure if its from the cycle). Hit legs today in the gym with extreme focus and motivation. This was quite possibly the best leg
    workout I’ve EVER had. I posted my stats earlier this AM, and I’ll include them in this log as well just in case they were missed (I was quite shocked with my week one results).

    Stats for Week 1:

    Weight -212lb (from 212.4lb) .4lb Weight change
    Body Fat % -11.0% (from 12.7%) 1.7% decrease in BF
    Lbs Fat -23.32 (from 26.5) 3.18lb of fat gone
    Lean Body Mass -188.68lb (from 185.9lb) 2.78lb of muscle gained

    Macro-Nutrients:
    


    Protein -290.6g (47%)
    
Carbohydrates -92.3g (15%)

    Fats -103g (38%)

    Total Calories -2,330

    Training:

    Squat -1x6 @ 350lb, 1x6 @ 405lb, 1x4 @ 500lb
    Leg Press -3x6 @ 710lb, 900lb, 1000lb
    Leg Extension -3x20 @ 220lb
    RDL -3x6 @ 225lb
    Lying Leg Curl -3x20 @110lb
    Standing Calf Raise -3x30 @205lb
    Seated Calf Raise -3x30 @ 115lb
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/252210-greens-climb-top.html#post4548443

  8. Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    Agreed! Just curious, how often do you plan to post update pictures?
    I was thinking about posting progress pics at week two, however if it is helpful I will be more than willing to post end of week one progress pics.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/252210-greens-climb-top.html#post4548443

  9. Rodja... Can you post or PM me the link to that study so I can read it in its entirety?
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by TurningGreen View Post
    I was thinking about posting progress pics at week two, however if it is helpful I will be more than willing to post end of week one progress pics.
    I know when I did my 12 week body recomposition/transformation I found that the pictures drew more attention to my thread and more validity to what I was doing and claiming! Everyone wants to see someone doing something positive and feed off the motivation and throwing up numbers is awesome, and not saying you are not achieving what you are claiming, only that when people see it, it is much more powerful! Just a suggestion, I'm in for the ride and will follow your Log all the way through either way!
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  11. Here's the link to it:
    http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/31/1/41.short

    The full text is available on the side.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  12. Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    I know when I did my 12 week body recomposition/transformation I found that the pictures drew more attention to my thread and more validity to what I was doing and claiming! Everyone wants to see someone doing something positive and feed off the motivation and throwing up numbers is awesome, and not saying you are not achieving what you are claiming, only that when people see it, it is much more powerful! Just a suggestion, I'm in for the ride and will follow your Log all the way through either way!
    Solid Argument. Ill have my GF take pics tonight and get them up as soon as possible. It should be interesting to see them anyway, being that I see myself on a regular basis in the mirror but not on the screen.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/252210-greens-climb-top.html#post4548443

  13. Quote Originally Posted by TurningGreen View Post
    Training:

    Squat -1x6 @ 350lb, 1x6 @ 405lb, 1x4 @ 500lb
    Leg Press -3x6 @ 710lb, 900lb, 1000lb
    Leg Extension -3x20 @ 220lb
    RDL -3x6 @ 225lb
    Lying Leg Curl -3x20 @110lb
    Standing Calf Raise -3x30 @205lb
    Seated Calf Raise -3x30 @ 115lb
    Wow... that's some serious weight up there... "Impressive... Most Impressive"

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  14. Nice progress, keep it up man

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Here's the link to it:
    http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/31/1/41.short

    The full test is available on the side.
    Thank you, very interesting that is the first time I have ever seen anyone argue or do a study to prove other than what I have always learned, ok, Agreed, there is some possibility that it has less effect than once thought, but I did notice that they noted at the end that the size of the study needed to be larger to equal that of the Khan study and other studies out there concluding the opposite of what they concluding! I'm personally going to chalk this one up to (under debate). But I do thank you for sharing that with me, I love to see things from all angles, always open to new opinions and ideas!
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    From the pics I really don't see much difference. I stand by the numbers though, and they are accurate (I'll let subscribers be the judge)
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/252210-greens-climb-top.html#post4548443

  17. No... I see it, your hair is definitely shorter in the 2nd set of picts!
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  18. Quote Originally Posted by TurningGreen View Post
    From the pics I really don't see much difference. I stand by the numbers though, and they are accurate (I'll let subscribers be the judge)
    Just joking with you Bro, all kidding aside, it's too soon to see any major difference, but looking very hard, I think I see a little size difference as in you look a little bigger, no worries, give it another week! I definitely dig you doing the pictures the exact same way and in the exact same place, will make it easier to really differentiate later, so next week I would post the start in comparison to the end of week2, if you continue at this rate the difference should be much more noticeable!
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  19. Quote Originally Posted by ScottyDoc View Post
    Just joking with you Bro, all kidding aside, it's too soon to see any major difference, but looking very hard, I think I see a little size difference as in you look a little bigger, no worries, give it another week! I definitely dig you doing the pictures the exact same way and in the exact same place, will make it easier to really differentiate later, so next week I would post the start in comparison to the end of week2, if you continue at this rate the difference should be much more noticeable!
    I agree,

    How long have you been training TurningGreen? Your massive! Are you more of a heavy weight/low reps type of dude? *seems like it from that leg session 500lb squat!!* I aspire to get to your level i'll keep working hard.
    I hope everybody thinks i'm crazy, because you cannot be a sane person and go through the type of pain i am willing to put myself through to be where i want to be, Once I completely win the war between my mind and body, my reign will begin. ~Me

  20. Quote Originally Posted by thetinyguy View Post
    I agree,

    How long have you been training TurningGreen? Your massive! Are you more of a heavy weight/low reps type of dude? *seems like it from that leg session 500lb squat!!* I aspire to get to your level i'll keep working hard.
    I've been in the gym consistently for about ten years now, but I remember my dad taking my brother and I to the YMCA weight room before we were old enough to care. I would consider the first eight years of that a learning experience, and the last two actual knowledgeable training. I've done a lot of research over the years and pushed my fair share of weight around, but I really feel that only in the last couple of years that I have really embraced a philosophy of both solid training and nutrition. As for my preferred lifting method, I really don't have one. I like to experiment and see how my body reacts. I recently came off of a 16 week bout with Hyperfitness (a Sean Burch training philosophy). I ended with a 6% decrease in BF and a loss of 12lb. Thanks for the complement, makes me want to push even harder (maybe even the next level!) and if you keep putting the time and energy into your workouts and nutrition that you have been there is no doubt that you will attain your goals.
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/252210-greens-climb-top.html#post4548443

  21. Quote Originally Posted by TurningGreen View Post
    I've been in the gym consistently for about ten years now, but I remember my dad taking my brother and I to the YMCA weight room before we were old enough to care. I would consider the first eight years of that a learning experience, and the last two actual knowledgeable training. I've done a lot of research over the years and pushed my fair share of weight around, but I really feel that only in the last couple of years that I have really embraced a philosophy of both solid training and nutrition. As for my preferred lifting method, I really don't have one. I like to experiment and see how my body reacts. I recently came off of a 16 week bout with Hyperfitness (a Sean Burch training philosophy). I ended with a 6% decrease in BF and a loss of 12lb. Thanks for the complement, makes me want to push even harder (maybe even the next level!) and if you keep putting the time and energy into your workouts and nutrition that you have been there is no doubt that you will attain your goals.
    That's really awesome, Dedication always does prevail everyone who has it always shows it. Hell yeah keep pushing on and see where it takes you!
    Pretty badass how we're motivating each other haha
    I hope everybody thinks i'm crazy, because you cannot be a sane person and go through the type of pain i am willing to put myself through to be where i want to be, Once I completely win the war between my mind and body, my reign will begin. ~Me

  22. Day nine log to come later tonight. I felt it necessary to post this right now. Today I am a "sexual tyrannosaur" (JESSE VENTURA). I may owe my GF an apology.

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    From the pics I really don't see much difference. I stand by the numbers though, and they are accurate (I'll let subscribers be the judge)
    Little leaner in lower back, just the first week though!


  24. Quote Originally Posted by ryansm View Post
    Little leaner in lower back, just the first week though!
    I'm seeing that as well. I did take the photos at night too, after 2 gallons of H20 and 2,300 cal. May have made a little difference. Ill take end week two photos in the AM
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/252210-greens-climb-top.html#post4548443

  25. Dang man that's a good amt of time in the gym lol. I would be hitting 11 solid years if I'd stayed with it. I get so piss off bc at 21 taking only creatine, protein and BCAA's, I benched 350 at 170lb bw. Let myself go, and now feel like I'll never hit that mark again. I keep pushing on though, as I know it will pay off.

  26. Quote Originally Posted by packers6211 View Post
    Dang man that's a good amt of time in the gym lol. I would be hitting 11 solid years if I'd stayed with it. I get so piss off bc at 21 taking only creatine, protein and BCAA's, I benched 350 at 170lb bw. Let myself go, and now feel like I'll never hit that mark again. I keep pushing on though, as I know it will pay off.
    350lb Bench @170lb Body Weight...Impressive...Damn
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/252210-greens-climb-top.html#post4548443

  27. Day Nine:

    First dose at 0730 with no side effects. Second dose at 1430 with minor stomach discomfort. Still running strong on AH/AL. I definitely have signs of raised libido (use your imagination). Hit shoulders today still with extreme focus and motivation. I feel like I am having daily transformation, and every day gets better. I posted end of week one pics yesterday…there are subtle differences, and I’m looking forward to week two progress. Added cinnamon and cayenne to my diet…Doctors order (thanks for the tip again).

    Macro-Nutrients:

    Protein -302.1g (48%)
    Carbohydrates -111.4g (18%)
    Fats -93.9g (34%)
    Total Calories -2,373

    Training:

    Standing DB Shoulder Press -3x6 @ 65lb
    Upright Row -3x8 @ 225lb (muscled through these…wasn’t fun)
    Standing DB Lat Raise -3x20 @ 20lb (could have done more, but had some rotator pain)
    Standing DB Rear Delt Raise -3x20 @ 25lb
    Barbell Shrug -3x6 @ 315lb
    DB Shrug -3x20 @ 70lb
    Reverse Crunch -3x30
    Crunch -3x40
    DB Oblique Crunch -3x20 @ 60lb (20 reps each side)

    Looking forward to Chest tomorrow

    Thanks for reading
    http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/252210-greens-climb-top.html#post4548443

  28. Wow bro that's a damn good workout very impressive. I haven't notice any stomach discomfort yet, just a surge in aggression and strength.

  29. Quote Originally Posted by TurningGreen View Post
    Day nine log to come later tonight. I felt it necessary to post this right now. Today I am a "sexual tyrannosaur" (JESSE VENTURA). I may owe my GF an apology.
    This made me laugh
    Just inject.
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by TurningGreen View Post
    I'm seeing that as well. I did take the photos at night too, after 2 gallons of H20 and 2,300 cal. May have made a little difference. Ill take end week two photos in the AM
    I definitely agree that if you take your end of 2nd week photos in the AM as soon as you wake up you will definitely look leaner, even when dieting hard, my bodyweight still fluctuates between 5-10Lbs from morning to night, mainly depending on my sodium intake!
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