Putting Sustain Alpha through the test as HCG alternative.

[Eric Potratz]

the last test didnt go so well. i could not get enough blood no matter how much i tried. i even poked myself more with 23g needle but still. I was getting very frustrated. this is even with moving my arm around to get blood moving beforehand. I hope they got enough on the second test. still no results.

Did you get any blood drops with the finger prick?

-Eric

[pistonpump]

Did you get any blood drops with the finger prick?

-Eric

i got 2 good ones, 1 with each finger then the rest would not drop they were like half drops. Sorry Eric, i did the best i could with the test, i was going insane cuz i didnt know what else to do already.

[pistonpump]

so 4 days before PCT i get the stomach flu/virus, diarreha non stop, cant eat anything, bloating etc for 3 days! Its been about 5 days now and im introducing solid foods back in my diet but damn i could put nothing in my stomach, even water seemed to go right thru me. I lost almost 15lbs in less than a week, things could not have happened at a better time. Makes me question getting big anymore, i lose weight so easily its not even funny. I was only able to take sustain alpha and 120mg torem for the past 3 days and ive only trained once in the past 6 days. Not good.

[pistonpump]

turns out i didnt lose that much weight, scale error. Im getting my food back in me now and feeling better but pct blues are coming on.

still no sign of test results........

[Eric Potratz]

i got 2 good ones, 1 with each finger then the rest would not drop they were like half drops. Sorry Eric, i did the best i could with the test, i was going insane cuz i didnt know what else to do already.

Did you get those 2 drops sent in?

-Eric

[pistonpump]

i sent them awhile ago, still waiting...

[Steveoph]

i sent them awhile ago, still waiting...

Slow ZRT labs

[pistonpump]

Slow ZRT labs

i know, tell me about it.

[John Smeton]

Piston can you update the thread on what day you took the test, what compounds you were on..phera right?

I was expecting results sooner. PP,are there any more people trying this experiment? of so please post results and lab work.

[Eric Potratz]

Piston can you update the thread on what day you took the test, what compounds you were on..phera right?

I was expecting results sooner. PP,are there any more people trying this experiment? of so please post results and lab work.

Yes, a couple others from the board have tested it, and we are still waiting on results from a guys on other boards.

I was going to gather a compilation as soon as we get a couple more results in.

-Eric

[pistonpump]

i got test results but i need to have a look at them and update this. LH actually went down. I will update when i get home or within the next day or two.

[Knowbull]

Why doesnt someone just a get a draw and do a multi-channel. A male hormonal profile is available through LEF at a reasonable price. This would end the ambiguity. Whoops, sorry perhaps thats already been done and we're just waiting for the results to be posted.

[pistonpump]

3/1/2009 3/5/2009
LH 0.7 Low LH <0.2 Low
FSH 2.1 ok FSH 0.5 Low

Normal Range (adult male)
LH 1.0-8.4
FSH 1.0-10.5

[nunes]

3/1/2009 3/5/2009
LH 0.7 Low LH <0.2 Low
FSH 2.1 ok FSH 0.5 Low

Normal Range (adult male)
LH 1.0-8.4
FSH 1.0-10.5

in what period of your cycle were you when you made that test?

[pistonpump]

i was in the the final two weeks, with the 20mg mdrol and 20mg epi

[Hank Vangut]

3/1/2009 3/5/2009
LH 0.7 Low LH <0.2 Low
FSH 2.1 ok FSH 0.5 Low

Normal Range (adult male)
LH 1.0-8.4
FSH 1.0-10.5

so this did not work as an HCG alternative for you.

[nunes]

i was in the the final two weeks, with the 20mg mdrol and 20mg epi

I don't think its very bad, with that values you should at least maintain some test production so the balls were still working

[Dragon13]

Hmmm. Not so good. Curious as to what Eric might have to say about these poor results.

[nunes]

Hmmm. Not so good. Curious as to what Eric might have to say about these poor results.

I don't think they are poor , if the leydig cells are highly sensitive to lh they produce test even on low lh levels, we need to see the testosterone results to jump to a conclusion, having the htpa working on a suppressive cycle like the one that piston made its already a good thing

[Dragon13]

I don't think they are poor , if the leydig cells are highly sensitive to lh they produce test even on low lh levels, we need to see the testosterone results to jump to a conclusion, having the htpa working on a suppressive cycle like the one that piston made its already a good thing

No. Sustain as an HCG alternative is intended to increase GrRH, and as a result increase LH and FSH. They both declined, indicating further suppression. Leydig sensitivity is not relevant for what is being tested.