Putting Sustain Alpha through the test as HCG alternative.
- 03-26-2009, 06:57 PM
- 03-26-2009, 07:02 PM
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- 03-26-2009, 07:27 PM
- 03-26-2009, 07:50 PM
I don't think they are poor , if the leydig cells are highly sensitive to lh they produce test even on low lh levels, we need to see the testosterone results to jump to a conclusion, having the htpa working on a suppressive cycle like the one that piston made its already a good thing
- 03-27-2009, 04:14 PM
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- 03-27-2009, 05:28 PM
- 03-27-2009, 09:48 PM
- 03-28-2009, 12:13 AM
- 03-28-2009, 09:30 AM
- 03-28-2009, 05:25 PM
Ill have to buy more HCG instead of Sustain. ohh well, more needles, more fun!
I couldn't imagine the results being that great, as he continues to suppress himself, hes trying to recover. Lets try sobering up with more alcohol! - 03-28-2009, 05:41 PM
Well sustain is doing something, for energy, mood, pump. I doubt that its placebo. Too bad you cant get a double blind done, or a before, during and after. Im sure guys have volunteered, you wouldnt need a control group.
- 03-28-2009, 06:01 PM
- 03-28-2009, 06:19 PM
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I know Eric has been conducting a number of similar bloodwork tests. By having a larger n , it will give us more significant results. Perhaps we will find it can only stimulate the LH/FSH on less suppressive cycles; we shall see. - 03-28-2009, 07:09 PM
- 03-28-2009, 07:40 PM
Yeah, this is only one user who tested at the tail end of a cycle (not our recommended time to start the on-cycle protocol anyway)
Considering the way the second test went, the results may be invalid. Capillary blood will not give the same results as venous blood, so I’m still trying to find out how pistonpump extracted the blood for the second blood test. (he mentioned using a 23g needle)
We have results that are more promising that this test, so we will continue to test in users.
-Eric - 03-28-2009, 08:30 PM
- 03-28-2009, 10:06 PM
- 03-28-2009, 11:38 PM
so the conclusion seems to be from the test presented it worked for a natural testostrone booster or pct, if you do hormones and it may be worth doing the last week if your on a short four week cycle and into pct. Okay well thats better than nothing! Thanks for the reviews
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Great Physique fitness, facebook, online coaching - 03-29-2009, 07:51 AM
On a 4 or a 6, introduce it at day 10, eod til end, then ed for 4 or 6, throw in or pre-load with the Endo and T8 for good measure, a guy wouldnt have to worry about "having a serm on hand" provided he was sensible and modest with his dosing. Not to mention minimizing his yearly cycles. JMO It takes more than 1 bottle though. Personally Im tired of hearing about lab results that arent verifiable, I dont think a Physician or a hospital would accept those test results, Im sure this has been discussed elsewhere and on other boards, if it produces the results you want, it works, if it doesnt, then its useless and a guy shouldnt buy it or use it.If you're serious about this, some people need to get multi-channels, before and after, IMO anything less than that is a waste of time and money.
- 03-29-2009, 09:39 AM
- 03-29-2009, 09:47 AM
im sure its the same blood. i slightly pricked it with the needle tip so it would have the same effect its not like i went deep with the needle. Even if the second test drew less blood then the first it doesnt matter because its measured by concentration anyway right? meaning if there was half the amount of blood on the second test then the result of LH and FSH findings would just be doubled and compared to the first test...thats how im thinking it would work.
With Sustain as an HCG alternative isnt it recommended to take 5 pumps or something along that line? I was taking 10pumps so that could have been too much. Personally i thought the tests should be ran differently but this is the way Eric wanted to do it. I wanted to use the sustain a little longer and test farther apart instead of the 3 days we did here.
Anyway I still think sustain is a good product i would use it again on or off cycle. - 03-29-2009, 03:10 PM
Its not the amount of blood that makes a difference, it’s the type of blood. The venous and capillary blood holds different concentrations of hormones, and that’s why I wanted to verify that you got blood from the capillary vessel bed, rather than a vein.
Can you email me the test docs?
-Eric - 03-29-2009, 06:51 PM
i was just stating that the quantity wouldnt matter. I understand what you are saying about the venous and capillary blood but i was saying it is probably capillary blood because i pricked it the same way as the lancet would....
i dont have a scanner available but maybe i can mail them to you if you like? - 03-29-2009, 07:17 PM
- 03-31-2009, 10:53 AM
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