[Jayhawkk]

Exactly my thoughts on this whole damn topic. Opinions and beliefs being thrown around as facts.

If you refuse to believe you're wrong bio, you can not be proven wrong. Regardless of what you're shown. You have shown by the ferocity of your postings here that you definately believe what you're posting. Which is fine. However, you post asking to be proven wrong when you have no intent or belief this can be done. And there is the problem.

[CNorris]

Islam is not a peaceful religion. Thats a fact! There are peaceful Muslims, that is also a fact. There are muslims that interpret Islam in a peaceful way, that is a fact. It just sickens me when people say Muslims following in the footsteps of Mohammed are a small minority mis-representing Islam. Thats about as ignorant as it gets.

[Jayhawkk]

two small quotes come to mind when I enter a politics or religion debate/thread

The eye sees only what the mind is prepared to comprehend.

It is impossible for a man to learn what he thinks he already knows.

[BioHazzard]

Originally Posted by Jayhawkk

Exactly my thoughts on this whole damn topic. Opinions and beliefs being thrown around as facts.

If you refuse to believe you're wrong bio, you can not be proven wrong. Regardless of what you're shown. You have shown by the ferocity of your postings here that you definately believe what you're posting. Which is fine. However, you post asking to be proven wrong when you have no intent or belief this can be done. And there is the problem.

I said bring me the proof where I am factually wrong. Belief has **** sh1t to do with facts.

If all you have is just you saying my opinion is wrong, then that doesn't mean squat. It is just one opinion against another opionion.

P.S. The drama thingy? Those were just acting, for show. I was just demonstrating how to stick it to the poison pen politics the extreme lefties love to practice. Kind of the politic's equivalent to shock and awe warfare.

[Mulletsoldier]

Originally Posted by CNorris

Islam is not a peaceful religion. Thats a fact! There are peaceful Muslims, that is also a fact. There are muslims that interpret Islam in a peaceful way, that is a fact. It just sickens me when people say Muslims following in the footsteps of Mohammed are a small minority mis-representing Islam. Thats about as ignorant as it gets.

It was not created during a peaceful time, or under peaceful terms no. As Jay's quotes below illustrate, you approach this topic/debate with a certain mindframe. That being so I could show you a thousand quotes from the Quran which "disprove", in my eyes, what you are saying. Yet, since you are so entrenched in your belief that Arab-Terrorists are the ones truly following the words of Mohammed, and the general Muslim population are not, I could never convince you otherwise.

What I find interesting is how the majority of debates on this whole fiasco have keyed in only on the religious aspects of the conflict. A Jeudeo-Christian vs. Muslim perspective. The Nation Of Islam represents an entire cross-section of people in the Middle East and abroad. None of the points in this thread have mentioned in anyway that there are socio-political aspects, which are very deep-rooted, which have no doubt exacerbated the religious motivations for attacks. Well that could not be, could it? It must be that they are only crazed people following exactly the word of the Quran without any misinterpretation. There is no way that they, just like you, are percieving a text or situation so it can be used to justify their point. There is just no way that there are a myriad of factors to consider here, just cannot be. Every Muslim deserves exactly what prejudice they recieve because of other Muslims who more than likely aren't even of the same ethnicity. That must be it.

[Jayhawkk]

That's all this is anyways...Both sides of the arguement are getting its facts from the internet.

Wanna start a global warming debate? I bet both sides can post scientific facts...yet both sides will say how the other sides are ****ed in their process. Even if both sides are from studies and scientists etc etc.

I'm saying that if you come into this in the mindset of it being a debate then you are essentially coming in to prove the other side wrong. How do you expect to learn anything if you are already set in your belief? And how the hell can you expect the other side to do what you refuse to do?

[BioHazzard]

Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier

.... The Nation Of Islam represents an entire cross-section of people in the Middle East and abroad. ...

The Nation of Islam? WTF? Louis Farrakhan?

Nation of Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It has **** sh1t to do with the Middle East.

[BioHazzard]

Originally Posted by Jayhawkk

That's all this is anyways...Both sides of the arguement are getting its facts from the internet.

Wanna start a global warming debate? I bet both sides can post scientific facts...yet both sides will say how the other sides are ****ed in their process. Even if both sides are from studies and scientists etc etc.

I'm saying that if you come into this in the mindset of it being a debate then you are essentially coming in to prove the other side wrong. How do you expect to learn anything if you are already set in your belief? And how the hell can you expect the other side to do what you refuse to do?

Until proven otherwise, which is extremely unlikely, unless I have been careless with my facts, which again, is very unlikely, , my facts are right. My opinion is just what it is, an opinion. Feel free to take it or leave it. Nobody has to take anything I say at face value. Go verify the info yourself, if you want to. Ignore them if you want to. All the same to me.

What I don't do, is to bullsh1t around and pretend that the BS stuffs posted by some people actually has merit. When it is crap, it IS crap.

[Mulletsoldier]

Aww. I viewed this one post of yours just for you Hun! Thanks for proving a point Bio. Not able to resond accordingly, or intelligibly debate the point, you chose instead to attack, as I have seen you do mulitiple times a small error in my grammar.

For one who speaks so strongly on intelligent debate, proving and disproving facts I find it extremely telling that in every--and I mean--every political thread you are involved in you resort to this behaviour as your refuge. How does you pointing that out defend or prove your point in anyway? I will answer that for you, it does not.

You have weak arguments reliant soley on the "googability" of said topic.

[Jayhawkk]

Get it all out fellas cause this train has been derailed. I suggest opening a thread on debating etiquette. Closing in 5.

[BioHazzard]

Originally Posted by Mulletsoldier

Aww. I viewed this one post of yours just for you Hun! Thanks for proving a point Bio. Not able to resond accordingly, or intelligibly debate the point, you chose instead to attack, as I have seen you do mulitiple times a small error in my grammar.

For one who speaks so strongly on intelligent debate, proving and disproving facts I find it extremely telling that in every--and I mean--every political thread you are involved in you resort to this behaviour as your refuge. How does you pointing that out defend or prove your point in anyway? I will answer that for you, it does not.

You have weak arguments reliant soley on the "googability" of said topic.

Google Nation of Islam.

[CNorris]

I said Islam is not a peaceful religion. Thats a simple fact that anyone can see if they arent blinded by political correctness. I did not imply that all Muslims are raving lunatics holding bombs. This whole debate started over peoples mistrust of Muslims. My point is their mistrust could not be more justified. Its like not trusting a level 1 sex offender neighbor who is listed because he got caught with a prostitute. You see "sex offender" and you automatically classify him in the same group as child rapists. You keep your children away from him. Its human nature.

[Mulletsoldier]

Originally Posted by CNorris

I said Islam is not a peaceful religion. Thats a simple fact that anyone can see if they arent blinded by political correctness. I did not imply that all Muslims are raving lunatics holding bombs. This whole debate started over peoples mistrust of Muslims. My point is their mistrust could not be more justified. Its like not trusting a level 1 sex offender neighbor who is listed because he got caught with a prostitute. You see "sex offender" and you automatically classify him in the same group as child rapists. You keep your children away from him. Its human nature.

Right, but in the case of a sex offender, that is a convicted criminal. What has your Muslim neighbour been convicted of? Most likely nothing in relation to Terrorism, it is YOUR choice to associate him with that.

[Mulletsoldier]

To Bio, I meant the Religion of Islam, and typed Nation.