[Chad]

no sir

[MrTotality]

my goodness 73 people said yes?

I didnt vote for him yet, and wouldnt start now.

[Chad]

wow this is a old thread. i wonder if all those people that said yes back then would say yes now?

[D_town]

Originally Posted by Chad

wow this is a old thread. i wonder if all those people that said yes back then would say yes now?

Yes, I would.

[mmowry]

YES I would also!

[anabolicrhino]

Bush was the better choice in 2000,...Al Gore? He doesn't even take himself seriously!

John Kerry 2004 was the worst candidate ever!

Kerry spent 20 million on an anti voter fraud program, then when the votes were close in Ohio,...he conceded victory to Bush! no recount nothing? Way to fight Johnny boy!!! Thank god he's not the president! He would have surrendered by now!

I think if Bush ran right now(2008) he would not even get his party's nomination.

[D_town]

The democrats got control of the house and the senate this year and have not done sh!t they said they would do. Many of them ran on moderate platforms and skated on the fraud and misconduct of a few righties, not to mention the war weariness.

The only thing they have done is tried to raise taxes (talk about letting Bush's tax cuts expire), make time tables for withdraw (cut n run) and talk about impeaching everyone from Alberto Gonzalez to Cheney to our damned President, who is the only one with a damned backbone left. You need to remember, he's the only one who doesn't have to worry about getting re-elected.




Don't even get me started on freakin Nancy Pelosi, John Murtha, and the rest of those hippies...

[Chad]

Originally Posted by D_town

The democrats got control of the house and the senate this year and have not done sh!t they said they would do. Many of them ran on moderate platforms and skated on the fraud and misconduct of a few righties, not to mention the war weariness.

The only thing they have done is tried to raise taxes (talk about letting Bush's tax cuts expire), make time tables for withdraw (cut n run) and talk about impeaching everyone from Alberto Gonzalez to Cheney to our damned President, who is the only one with a damned backbone left. You need to remember, he's the only one who doesn't have to worry about getting re-elected.




Don't even get me started on freakin Nancy Pelosi, John Murtha, and the rest of those hippies...

they have tried to get us out of Iraq because THATS WHAT 70% of America wants!!!! thats why they were put in office. most people are sick of this war and want it over. so the "hippies" are the only ones doing their job.

[D_town]

Originally Posted by Chad

they have tried to get us out of Iraq because THATS WHAT 70% of America wants!!!! thats why they were put in office. most people are sick of this war and want it over. so the "hippies" are the only ones doing their job.

Currently our congress has a lower approval rating than our President... How ya like them apples.

So, would you like it our troops packed up their stuff and left Iraq tomorrow, regardless of what would happen afterwards. As long as our military, whose job it is to protect our nation, quits fighting the terrorists who vow to kill us where ever they can and are determined to continue the chaos in Iraq and can't wait for us to leave.

To all you hippies, I would love to give PEACE a chance, but peace cannot be a one-sided concept. The Islamic fundamentalists are at WAR with us and right now Iraq is the battleground.

I am for the generals figuring out the best way to end it ASAP, but not for just leaving because people don't like war. Our generals, not our politicians.

[Chad]

Originally Posted by D_town

Currently our congress has a lower approval rating than our President... How ya like them apples.

So, would you like it our troops packed up their stuff and left Iraq tomorrow, regardless of what would happen afterwards. As long as our military, whose job it is to protect our nation, quits fighting the terrorists who vow to kill us where ever they can and are determined to continue the chaos in Iraq and can't wait for us to leave.

To all you hippies, I would love to give PEACE a chance, but peace cannot be a one-sided concept. The Islamic fundamentalists are at WAR with us and right now Iraq is the battleground.

I am for the generals figuring out the best way to end it ASAP, but not for just leaving because people don't like war. Our generals, not our politicians.

i am far from a tree hugging, peace loving hippie. if it was my call we would drop some nukes on the whole middle east. i`m just sick of seeing 100+ U.S troops getting killed a month for what seems like no reason. we look like ass holes over there bc we are the biggest and strongest nation in the world and we`re getting our asses handed to us by a bunch of rag heads.

unless the retards in charge of this mess get it on the right track SOON, why should we let our troops get killed while the leaders sit around with their thumbs up their asses.

[D_town]

Originally Posted by Chad

i am far from a tree hugging, peace loving hippie. if it was my call we would drop some nukes on the whole middle east. i`m just sick of seeing 100+ U.S troops getting killed a month for what seems like no reason. we look like ass holes over there bc we are the biggest and strongest nation in the world and we`re getting our asses handed to us by a bunch of rag heads.

unless the retards in charge of this mess get it on the right track SOON, why should we let our troops get killed while the leaders sit around with their thumbs up their asses.

Agreed!

The rules of engagement need to be revised because this is not a conventional war and our enemies follow no rules or codes of conduct.

But just leaving will cause a much larger problem destined for a later time. I saw a program by Ted Coppel called 'Our Children's Children's War' and the title decribes it very well. It is a sad reality we live within. Our world has a lot of major propblems and running away because we can't figure it out is not a viable option. I agree that sitting there while our tropps are blown up and kidnapped is not acceptable either. Stategy must be changed and implemented swiftly to **** them up.

Long term, things must change as well. Much more good-will and education has to be our approach, much like our military has done in parts of Africa. But, right now, more swift action is required than that in the Middle East.

[slow-mun]

Originally Posted by D_town

Agreed!

The rules of engagement need to be revised because this is not a conventional war and our enemies follow no rules or codes of conduct.

But just leaving will cause a much larger problem destined for a later time. I saw a program by Ted Coppel called 'Our Children's Children's War' and the title decribes it very well. It is a sad reality we live within. Our world has a lot of major propblems and running away because we can't figure it out is not a viable option. I agree that sitting there while our tropps are blown up and kidnapped is not acceptable either. Stategy must be changed and implemented swiftly to **** them up.

Long term, things must change as well. Much more good-will and education has to be our approach, much like our military has done in parts of Africa. But, right now, more swift action is required than that in the Middle East.

Honestly, the hands of the troops in the middle east are tied by the R.O.E.. When I was in Iraq, there was much that couldn't be done b/c of the bureaucracy. Every sector has its own problems and its own way of fixing them. Many of the people in charge will try to incorporate strategies that simply do not work. There are career officers trying to make their careers while in Iraq, at the expense of their troops. There also needs to be more Special Forces troops within Iraq. Conventional forces cannot adequately operate within certain sectors. The alligence of the local population can be bought and sold very easily. A friendly group of Iraqis can become terrorists over-night. The Iraqi army is a farce and will never become the stabilization force that the government would have you believe. Its never reported how often they actually desert. Their families are sometimes butchered, b/c they are in the Army. You think our Army has retention problems? Their Army is far worse. Its almost like this, have a paying job at the expense of your family and friends or simply become a terrorist and have everyone revere you for being a martyr. Bush should have listened to Colin Powell at the beginning, b/c everything he stated about OIF has come to pass(not enough troops to stabilize the region post war/sunni shia civil war). Its likely that more bad will come before this is over. The bottom line is, Bush tried to do too much too soon. He thought that Iraq would have some kind of democratic, domino effect in the region and it hasn't. Would I vote Democrat this next election? No, the military was in disarray during the Clinton administartion. We didn't even have bullets to train with. My only hope is that a politician with some nuts will enter in the race. As of right now, the future looks fairly bleak. Bush was better of two bad politicians in the last two elections and that's why he was elected. I honestly don't know who can get things right, but its likely not going to be a Democrat. If we cut and run in the middle east, the entire region will be destabilized. The war will cross borders and there will be a large scale war between the two main faiths of Islam. Its a sad state of affairs.

[Chad]

nukes???? LOL.

yeah its all fcuked up. im sure no one knows how to changes things or there would have. but at what point do you give up?
4 years? 10? i just dont see an end to this.

[Nullifidian]

I love how everyone things everything can just be simplified into "just nuke them"

Hey how about this one? How about, let's not bother with them in the first place!

[D_town]

Originally Posted by Nullifidian

I love how everyone things everything can just be simplified into "just nuke them"

Hey how about this one? How about, let's not bother with them in the first place!

Because they bother with us.

I know you remember 9/11, Uss Cole, African embassies,...
let's give up, even though they never will, till we are all dead or converted.

[Sevename]

Originally Posted by Nullifidian

I love how everyone things everything can just be simplified into "just nuke them"

Hey how about this one? How about, let's not bother with them in the first place!

"They" started it. If we just pack up and come home, we're not coming alone. They'll be following. This isn't over when we say we want it to be over.

I don't believe the US will ever use nuclear weapons or any other WMD again, and neither do they. They aren't affraid of us any more. During the Clinton admin they kept making attacks on US property. The attacks kept getting a little bigger and a little bigger. How did the US respond? By doing nothing. Or you could say the Clinton admin did nothing. Then the 9/11 attacks came and people wanted to know, "What happened?" The average person is apparently just that dumb. Many just blame that on Bush too, since he was in office.

Some say this is another Vietnam. That isn't true for several reasons. Most of the Iraqi's are eduacated people with jobs and the country is industralized. Vietnam was just a rice paddy and still is. Vietnam never attacked us. We knew when we left Vietnam it was over. That isn't the case here. One way I believe it is the same is that there are too many polliticians involved and not enough good military men who are concerned solely with winning battles and taking care of the troops. Many of the military leaders now seem to be more concerned with how their actions in this conflict will effect their potential future political career.

I don't love George W. Bush but not fighting a war is alot easier than fighting one. I believe he's doing what he thinks is right at this point in time, weather it is or not. If he wanted the easy way out American troops would already be home. I give him credit for not taking the easy way out.

Fighting a war in Iraq is better than fighting a war in New York or any other US State as far as I'm concerned.